Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby Merry » Aug 20th, 2018, 9:51 am

The recent news story about how our Prime Minister unfairly labelled a woman racist, for asking questions about the distribution of federal funds with regard to illegal immigrants, piqued my interest. So I watched the video of the incident, and have to agree that calling her racist for suggesting the Feds reimburse the Province for the millions spent dealing with a problem that is of the Federal Governments own making was totally inappropriate. Because believing that federal, not provincial money, should be used to foot the bill does NOT constitute racism. Far from it.

IMO Trudeau used the inappropriate term as a means of trying to get the lady to shut up, and stop asking embarrassing questions that he had no good answer for. And that is WRONG.

If Trudeau has a good reason for not paying for his own policies, that he so strongly believes in, then he should have explained those reasons to the lady, instead of calling her names.

However, that said, even more disturbing is the harassment the lady was then subjected to by a couple of RCMP officers. If you watch the video I think you'll agree that this lady did nothing wrong. It was a public political rally and, as a member of the public, she had the right to ask questions, even if they were questions the PM didn't want to answer. At no time did she threaten anyone; if anything the mood of the crowd was more threatening and intimidating to HER than the other way round. So WHY did these two officers harass her and physically manhandle her?

Do we no longer have the right of political dissent in this country?

Watch the video and decide for yourself. You'll find it in the following article.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... one-racist
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 20th, 2018, 9:57 am

Merry wrote:The recent news story about how our Prime Minister unfairly labelled a woman racist, for asking questions about the distribution of federal funds with regard to illegal immigrants, piqued my interest. So I watched the video of the incident, and have to agree that calling her racist for suggesting the Feds reimburse the Province for the millions spent dealing with a problem that is of the Federal Governments own making was totally inappropriate. Because believing that federal, not provincial money, should be used to foot the bill does NOT constitute racism. Far from it.

IMO Trudeau used the inappropriate term as a means of trying to get the lady to shut up, and stop asking embarrassing questions that he had no good answer for. And that is WRONG.



This is one of the reasons Trump won. Laziness of the Left. Just scream RACIST and BIGOT at anyone who dares challenge the dictates of the PC crowd. For too long, losers like Trudeau got away with this nonsense. I have a hard time believing that the majority of Quebecers are happy with this influx of illegals into their province. Why isn't it being stopped? What is going on????

Last summer I wanted to visit the Big O in Montreal but the tours weren't happening, as the Big O was full of illegal immigrants. For some reason the media was completely silent on this. How could they fill an entire stadium with illegal immigrants? Why weren't they being returned?? It makes no sense. And screaming RACIST doesn't solve the problem. It just causes division and hate. It's a stupid, lazy way to go, but what else should we expect from PM Airhead.
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby Merry » Aug 20th, 2018, 9:57 am

For those who don't want to read the entire article, here's the video by itself. Be sure to watch it right to the end and I'm sure you'll agree that those two police officers were totally out of line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ7d5Ts6rho

I'm shocked by what I see; shocked and afraid. Because if this kind of police behaviour is allowed to go unchecked, it will put a chill on all public dissent in this country.

Since when did our national police force become "bouncers" for the Federal Liberal Party?
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby Merry » Aug 20th, 2018, 10:02 am

The Green Barbarian wrote:This is one of the reasons Trump won. Laziness of the Left. Just scream RACIST and BIGOT at anyone who dares challenge the dictates of the PC crowd. For too long, losers like Trudeau got away with this nonsense.


I agree; but this lady wasn't complaining about the large numbers of illegals. She was asking Trudeau why the Feds weren't reimbursing Quebec for the cost of dealing with them all. But rather than answer her, he called her a racist. And then those two RCMP goons got involved.

If publicly questioning Federal Government policy can result in your being detained and manhandled by the police, what kind of a state has Canada become?
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby blue iguana » Aug 20th, 2018, 10:06 am

This is an excerpt from Trudeau’s speech delivered at Yankee Stadium on Wed May 16, 2018.

“It’s always been easier to divide than unite. But mostly, it requires true courage. Because if you want to bring people around to your way of thinking, you need to first show them that you are open to theirs. That you are willing to enter into a conversation that might change your mind. Show respect for their point of view, and you have a better chance of actually having them listen to yours. And regardless of what happens, you will have had a genuine exchange that focused on understanding, not on winning a debate or scoring points. And you will both be improved for it.”
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby rustled » Aug 20th, 2018, 10:11 am

Yep. He talks a mighty flowery talk, but this is what he's really up to:
Trudeau added that “despite the polarization we see going on in the world around us – the populism, the politics of fear and division – staying positive, pulling people together, looking for ways to emphasize our common ground, our shared values among our differences, is the only way to build a stronger country, a stronger world.”

This constant referencing of “the politics of fear” is itself a form of fear-mongering, where Trudeau and his top advisers want you to believe that there are mean and nasty people lurking behind every corner that you must fear and that only he can protect you from.

With this in mind, he needs villains. He wants to make bad guys out of every person who asks a challenging question about the current influx of illegal border crossers or, say, Islamist terror.

It looks like Trudeau’s re-election strategy hinges on calling people racist and then dividing them by forcing them to pick sides on these issues.

[from the Sun op-ed in the OP]

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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby Merry » Aug 20th, 2018, 10:12 am

blue iguana wrote:This is an excerpt from Trudeau’s speech delivered at Yankee Stadium on Wed May 16, 2018.

“It’s always been easier to divide than unite. But mostly, it requires true courage. Because if you want to bring people around to your way of thinking, you need to first show them that you are open to theirs. That you are willing to enter into a conversation that might change your mind. Show respect for their point of view, and you have a better chance of actually having them listen to yours. And regardless of what happens, you will have had a genuine exchange that focused on understanding, not on winning a debate or scoring points. And you will both be improved for it.”

Pity he doesn't always follow his own advice!
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby Catsumi » Aug 20th, 2018, 10:20 am

Is it just possible that a police state is quietly insinuating itself into the political scene?

His father had some experience of this during FLQ "crises" where vast police powers to arrest and jail freely at their whim were allowed. An incident in ONE eastern city mushroomed with breathtaking speed to lockdown for the whole country.

This incident Foreshadows things unsavoury coming our way. The face of Canada is changing quickly and unless checked soon, will be beyond correction.

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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby Merry » Aug 20th, 2018, 10:50 am

We're not at the "police state" level yet, but it's certainly concerning when you see incidents where the police are using their authority to stop someone asking the Prime Minister politically awkward questions.

What happened at that rally is wrong on so many levels.

First off, the PM should be willing to make a good argument to support his policy (of making individual Provinces pay most of the cost of dealing with a sudden influx of illegal immigrants). Why? Because it is Federal (not Provincial) policy that makes the rules surrounding how to deal with such folks. Therefore, it is Federal (not Provincial) money that should pay for it.

Politicians can only be held accountable for the money they spend, when they are the ones making the decisions that are resulting in them having to spend it. It isn't fair that the Provinces are having to reduce spending in other areas in order to adhere to Federal policies regarding illegals. If the Feds call the shots, they should be the ones to pay the bill.

It is inappropriate for ANYONE to use name calling to try to win an argument, but it is even more inappropriate when the one using that tactic is an elected politician. The Public has a right to expect answers from our elected officials regarding how they spend OUR money. And Trudeau was wrong not to answer the lady.

Secondly, our police force are there to enforce the law. And as, after watching the video, I saw absolutely nothing that lady did that was illegal, I have to question WHY the police approached her after she began to walk away. It can only be seen as harassment designed to send a message that people shouldn't heckle the PM during public political events. Which is a very dangerous message to send, if we truly believe in democracy and free speech.

Free speech isn't only the right to say what is politically popular with those who are listening. It's the right to say that which is unpopular as well.
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby blue iguana » Aug 20th, 2018, 10:52 am

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby Catsumi » Aug 20th, 2018, 11:22 am

Cicero's undiluted warning of just how perilous to a nation are the traitors harboured within its own borders, such an appropriate message for today. It is the very definition of a societal cancer.

This succinct paragraph should be taught in school until the full meaning registers into the thickest of skulls.
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby oldtrucker » Aug 20th, 2018, 11:41 am

Freedom is something that the people have had to fight for throughout all of history. Freedom is like the wind...it can leave without people noticing until it's too late. If we have to start the fight again within our own borders ,it won't surprise me. History always repeats itself.
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby Leifer » Aug 20th, 2018, 11:43 am

Lol.

How dare this silly women ask a question of our glorious leader?
How dare anyone question his policies and manifest destiny to run Canada???

Scary times we live in with this fool at the helm.
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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby fvkasm2x » Aug 20th, 2018, 11:48 am

My take:


The woman was a rude, obnoxious pig. You can't condone what she did and then complain about reporters like that idiot Jim Acosta doing the same thing to Trump. Manners are still manners. She didn't need to keep yelling, interrupting and acting like a clown. Show some class and decorum. Plus, she's an entitled Quebecois who thinks that money actually comes from her province. Without equalization payments, she'd be living like one of those immigrants in a 3rd world country (hyperbole, relax people).


Trudeau handled it VERY badly and calling a woman a racist for not wanting millions of dollars spent on illegals or terrorists or whatever she was babbling about is not the diplomatic (or correct) way to deal with something. Whoever said she was making threats is a liar and the cops handled it badly as well. Trudeau took a standard liberal playbook move and called someone who doesn't agree with him a racist. Big shock.


Overall, nobody at all in that video looks good.

blue iguana wrote:This is an excerpt from Trudeau’s speech delivered at Yankee Stadium on Wed May 16, 2018.

“It’s always been easier to divide than unite. But mostly, it requires true courage. Because if you want to bring people around to your way of thinking, you need to first show them that you are open to theirs. That you are willing to enter into a conversation that might change your mind. Show respect for their point of view, and you have a better chance of actually having them listen to yours. And regardless of what happens, you will have had a genuine exchange that focused on understanding, not on winning a debate or scoring points. And you will both be improved for it.”


I think we've already noticed that like most rich people and most politicians, they flip flop and lie whenever it suits them.

Just like his #metoo speech about believing all women no matter what and then when he's accused, it turns to "there are different ways 2 people can view the same event." So much for believing women no matter what.

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Re: Freedom of opinion under threat in Canada

Postby Catsumi » Aug 20th, 2018, 12:03 pm

blue iguana wrote:“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

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I brought up the FLQ fiasco to highlight just how little it takes and just how fast it can happen that we move from freedom to submission.

The FLQ thing I believe was just a dress rehearsal for what is looming on our political horizon. Look out Canada should JT hold office after next election!
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