Removing poverty

[blueliner]

yup.... i can see taxes and poverty only going up in canada https://torontosun.com/2016/11/25/the-t ... 98cc1d71f7

You see Trudeau likes to lie about numbers in actuality I think he is just stupid and does not even know how to add without a calculator past 10 as he has ten fingers like you and I do.

He is just a fool, hope those who voted him in vote him out!

Of course he has no idea he was born with a golden shoe in his think $$$ grow on tress

[sherriff]

And for those taxes you get so pathetically little. Hospitals and care by highly trained doctors and nurses and technicians while you're there. Ambulances to take you to the hospital. Schools with teachers for at least 12 years of education. Roads to allow you to drive all over Canada and repairs to the roads. Police to protect your community. Firemen to put out fires and further protect you. Parks that are cared for locally, provincially, and federally. Crown land for you to roam. And pensions when you get old. We get so little for our taxes.

Canada..... it's a living hell. Why can't we be like somebody else?

I know you were being sarcastic when you said very little and then went on to quote all the great things you think our taxes get us. You're happy with the hospitals and wait times? I can find you a thousand people that aren't very impressed with the wait times. Yes ambulances aren't too bad if they're not out trying to save one of three junkies lives that day they may show up somewhat quick for you. A terrible education system that is only getting worse with higher class sizes and teachers that a lot of them just don't care as much anymore because they're not getting paid enough. Oh yes the roads are great to you think? Have you noticed how many potholes are out there and not just regular potholes but ones that will actually do major damage to a vehicle. You're go on to mention police that protect our community. Where are they protecting anybody from the drug addicts downtown. Shooting up in the bathroom scaring off the tourists and kids alike threatening their lives and having sex in public. Where are the police for those . As for fireman they're probably one of the better aspects of our public Work sector.. they show up quick they do a great job I don't hear them complaining a lot. Parks that are cared for by the provincial and federal government those are great. Why do they shut most of them down in the winter or when they feel the public can't control their smoking or driving so they'll shut down whole parks instead of policing it. crown land to roam,Yes it is ours and we should be able to roam our own land. But they find a way to shut that down to once in awhile don't they . pensions That don't keep up with inflation. Lot of good those really do when half of the seniors are probably eating dog food and cat food. Most people that haven't started collecting a pension or pretty worried that there won't be any pension for them when it comes time even though they paid into it. So I'm sorry I tend to disagree with most of your points about how great Canada is for the taxes we pay. A country with an abundance of natural resources and we're getting taxed to death on our own resources even.fuel. lumber. electricity . I can tell you're okay with your tax rate but I don't think many Canadians are.. we are not getting what we paid for or what we deserve

And the list goes on.

[ninetyninepct]

Poverty is cured by employment. It cannot be reduced by taking from working people and giving it to those that don't work. Some people actually cannot do well enough for themselves to be able to increase their income. Those we help.

NO children must be allowed when on welfare. NONE. There is also no such thing as child poverty. If this were true, then there would have to be child wealth. No such thing. Children cannot be poor or rich, only parents.

[Catsumi]

Gosh, OT, that idea smacks of socialism, and does not solve the problems you mentioned such as graft and corruption of the political establishment.

What makes you believe that if government collects even MORE in taxes that those funds would be directed into the social programs that were to benefit? More likely the money would be pizzed against the wall. Read Auditor General's report.

From past experience, politicians are not to be trusted to do the "right" thing with bales of taxpayers' cash.

Wastrels, all.

[twobits]

No one can tell me that there is not enough money in our economy and country to address poverty. No one.

Move to Cuba......you will fit right in with that philosophy. The standard of living you personally enjoy here, would be only for Party Elite.
Using high priced Kitsilano real estate as some forcast of decadent *bleep* or samora society is a communist/ leftist craft. Lots of nice homes in the Interior of BC for 350k.
If you want to live in Kitsilano and work at Starbucks......housing will be a problem. Not so much of a problem if you want to be a Barista in Castlegar. It's all relative dude. I don't see too many people bytching about the cost of housing in Hollywood that don't have an income to live there.

[Catsumi]

We're on the same page, OT, as usual. There is plenty of money in gov't coffers, but rarely sees it's intended destination. (The betterment of the citizens the funds were extracted from).

We are also in total agreement with world overpopulation being the elephant in the room. We in the first world cannot support indefinitely the swelling numbers and their demands of the third world.

Constant redistributing of wealth doesn't help either as the dilution factor kicks in, richer countries become poorer and less able to help "enable" those who wish only to procreate creating a never ending cycle.

IMO, overpopulation is the first problem to be addressed. Humans must use birth control or we will be responsible for our own demise.

Socialism works well for a little while until the funds dry up, then we see Venezuela as it is today. This could be us soon.

Cuba is not for the likes of us...maybe Costa Rica?

[Omnitheo]

Humans are using birth control. Overpopulation is a temporary thing caused by a massive sudden increase in life expectancy in developing nations.

It is not actually the cause of the concerns you have.

[flamingfingers]

Overpopulation IS serious problem. How can a finite planet provide for infinite human growth needs?

[Verum]

Overpopulation IS serious problem. How can a finite planet provide for infinite human growth needs?

Did you watch the video? If not, please do. It's well worth watching (as are of of the videos by Kurtzgesagt). It is well sourced and generally a good reflection of our best understanding of the situation.

We are quite sure that the population will reach about 12 billion or there about, as a maximum. It's a manageable increase from today and with technological improvements, likely to be more manageable than our current population.

ETA: Most of us have been on the receiving end of lots of misinformation about places, and none probably more so than developing countries/3rd World. It doesn't help that we tend to only see the extreme news rather than the slow steady progress that many places are making. Small, but cumulatively massive improvements in living conditions in these countries tend not to make news headlines, but a famine or genocide does. I'm not pretending that everything is magically getting better, but we tend to overly focus on the negative, and rarely notice the small increments or improvements. Things are generally getting better for the vast majority of people on this planet, including ourselves.

[Verum]

Humans are using birth control. Overpopulation is a temporary thing caused by a massive sudden increase in life expectancy in developing nations.

It is not actually the cause of the concerns you have.

There are a number of these vids out there. More than there should be...possibly produced by those that would have something to gain from immigration and something to gain from ignoring common sense that it's not okay to keep reproducing. Sorry, I can't see population evening out at 12 billion on the assumption that once the developing world catches up, reproduction will fall off dramatically . It's wishful thinking. And , they are also very politically correct videos for a very politically correct time.

The numbers are relatively readily available, and the people who analyse them do so as disinterested professionals. Ask any statistician to look at the numbers and draw the most likely outcomes. Honestly, they'll tell you the same story. It's not wishful thinking, it's using trends and numbers and applying only a small amount of processing and understanding of mathematics, and building a picture. The thing is that they built the model over 10 years ago and the population is following it very closely.

There really is no conspiracy or wishful thinking going on. It has nothing to do with being politically correct, just being correct. The population boom scare started in the 60s in earnest, and at the time, it seemed likely. Ever since, people have been drilling it into us, but back in the 80s and 90s we realised that it probably wasn't anywhere near as bad as people thought and by now there it is simply a myth that people propagate because they believe it, not because it has any real evidence behind it. The over population scare is out of date, as is the typical Western view of Africa and much of the developing World.

[Verum]

So...you are okay with having nearly 8 billion people asking 1.7 times what the planet can produce and adding 200,000 more per day?

Where are you getting the 1.7 figure from? And yes, I am okay with current population growth rate and rate of change of growth rate. It's far slower than it has been and it's trending towards a stable population at a rate we can provide adequate food (thanks to the likes of the Haber process - Fritz Haber is either one of history's greatest villains or heroes, and the work of Norman Borlaug). With current technology, we can feed around 10 billion people, and with improvements we should be able to up that number to significantly higher. Basically, in the last century or so we have at least quadrupled our agricultural yield. Even assuming a 1.2 to 1.5x increase over the next century, we will be able to grow enough food for everyone. That won't eliminate starvation, but it won't be because we can't grow enough food.

[Catsumi]

From Wikipedia:

Due to its dramatic impact on the human ability to grow food, the Haber process served as the "detonator of the population explosion", enabling the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to today's 7 billion.[19] Nearly 50% of the nitrogen found in human tissues originated from the Haber-Bosch process.[20] Since nitrogen use efficiency is typically less than 50%,[21] farm runoff from heavy use of fixed industrial nitrogen disrupts biological habitats.[3][22]


It seems that the Haber process, useful though it is in helping to feed the world, inadvertently helped produce even more humans.

It also contributes to the pollution problems.

A double edged sword, indeed.

[Verum]

From Wikipedia:

Due to its dramatic impact on the human ability to grow food, the Haber process served as the "detonator of the population explosion", enabling the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to today's 7 billion.[19] Nearly 50% of the nitrogen found in human tissues originated from the Haber-Bosch process.[20] Since nitrogen use efficiency is typically less than 50%,[21] farm runoff from heavy use of fixed industrial nitrogen disrupts biological habitats.[3][22]


It seems that the Haber process, useful though it is in helping to feed the world, inadvertently helped produce even more humans.

It also contributes to the pollution problems.

A double edged sword, indeed.

Yes, it enabled the population to increase from 1.6 billion, by preventing mass starvation. It is only in that way that it helped produce more humans. What you are suggesting is that starvation and food scarcity is a useful form of population control. Personally, I am against such extreme methods.
Yes, it creates more pollution, though it also reduces the effort needed to farm, so may also reduce other forms of pollution. It is hard to know.

[Jonrox]

Now the gov't. wants to remove poverty in Canada? Simple!!!!!!! Quit taxing people to poverty.

People who are actually classified as being in "poverty" don't pay much in taxes to begin with. Reducing taxes wouldn't do a lot to lift them out of it. There's a good chance it would reduce the amount spent on social programs to help them though.

[twobits]

Overpopulation IS serious problem. How can a finite planet provide for infinite human growth needs?

Maybe it will get rid of pensions for life that were never honestly funded. Do you feel good about sucking more out of the planet than you contributed to your long term lifestyle lol funded by tax dollars. Your pension is now funded from starbucks barista's???
You are a socialist hypocrite that does not even understand the income flow that provides the pension that you get and how you did not pay for it's entire term. Barista's at Starbucks will cover it for ya though.