Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby Ka-El » Dec 5th, 2018, 12:47 pm

Scheer going nowhere if he continues as Mr. Enigma

Senator Lynn Beyak is manna from heaven for Liberal strategists and their allies who seek to portray the Conservative Party as racist, sexist and homophobic.

To avoid being fatally branded as the weak-willed leader of such a party, Andrew Scheer must up his game, and soon. If he can't get across more forcefully who he is and what he believes, his political opponents will do it for him.

He has wasted seven months. The next election is less than two years away. Entrenching a positive political brand takes a great deal of time. Entrenching a negative one (such as the "just visiting" label the Tories slapped on Michael Ignatieff) can take almost no time at all. Time is not Mr. Scheer's friend.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... e37516052/

Published almost two years ago and dimples has done nothing to provide anyone with even a glimpse of his vision for Canada (presuming he could represent us in India and just the usual peanut-chucking only impresses the dull-witted partisans).

It’s time for Progressive Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer to step up his game.

The soft words and kind approach he’s used so far won’t translate into votes in the next federal election scheduled for Oct. 21, 2019.

As early as last January, the people who write the editorials and columns for Canada’s major newspapers were begging Scheer to get in the game.

The headline on a Globe and Mail opinion story back in January was “Tory Leader Andrew Scheer’s shtick simply isn’t cutting it.” Another story from iPolitics the same month was headlined: “Face it, Conservatives. Picking Scheer was a mistake.”

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/schee ... u-in-2019/

The beauty is the partisan Conservatives think they picked a winner. It's perfect!
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 5th, 2018, 12:48 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote:
hobbyguy wrote:
The problem federally is that the Conservatives don't have a leader.


and please...please...please keep saying this. It's perfect if all the brain-washed Liberal sheep keep saying this. Just perfect.


Well, GB, prove me wrong. We know where Jagmeet stands on various issues. We know where JT stands on various issues. We know where Max stands on various issues. We know where Elizabeth stands on various issues.

All I see from Scheer is "I'm not them, excuse me, could you duck please, you are ruining my peanut chucking aim". The Conservatives should have held out for a real leader, I know Rona didn't want the job, but she was much more of a leader than Andrew will ever be. With Rona there was some "there" there.

So Andrew chucks peanuts at everything anybody else does, but what does he propose as alternatives that have a real world chance of working? - nothing! "Mumble, mumble, you will see, we will have a plan soon." And 90% of the time he is chucking peanuts at things the Conservatives failed on in the first place.

I have absolutely no sense that Andrew is a "doer". Yup, he is a good gum flapper, but there just isn't anything to back it up.

Prediction: Andrew will try to say that he can eliminate the deficit and cut taxes too. Yup, the old tired something for nothing ploy.

Prediction: Andrew will say that "the invisible hand of the market" will fix housing affordability. Another "something for nothing".

Prediction: Andrew will play to gun rights activists, and play dog whistle games with racists, while stirring up alt-right nonsense about immigration and pretending to be "tough on crime". But there will not be any Constitutionally feasible substance behind those ploys - just political calculations.

When I watch Scheer in action, I see the same kind of shrewdness and nonsense that "sticky fingers" Horgan gives us. Chuck peanuts, pretend this, pretend that, and then when the chips are down - do the opposite. You know, the whole weather vane thing like site C - Horgan was for it, then against it, then when the chips are down for it, Horgan was against LNG, against fracking, against tax breaks for LNG developers - until the chips were down, and then he is for the lot.

So where does Andrew really stand on anything? Nowhere - on the fence chucking peanuts. Does he do what Wilkinson does, like on UBER, and criticize the NDP ride sharing but also introduce his own bill that is better? Nope, Andrew just chucks peanuts - about absolutely everything, including proposals from Max.

With Scheer at the helm, there is absolutely nothing to vote FOR, and I suspect that many Conservatives know that, which is why they try so ridiculously hard to invent and embellish disingenuous attacks upon JT. Pretty pathetic that Scheer has reduced the Conservative party to such a petty level.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby Ka-El » Dec 7th, 2018, 2:13 pm

Scheer Booed By Chiefs For Failing To Differentiate Himself From Harper

TORONTO — Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer was booed at the Assembly of First Nations Special Chiefs Assembly Thursday after he was unable to explain how he's different from Stephen Harper.

Scheer had just finished a speech at Ottawa's Westin hotel, pledging his commitment to reconciliation when the floor was opened to questions. Former prime minister Harper "lost the trust from First Nations," a speaker said before asking Scheer to name one policy change that differs him from his predecessor.

The opposition leader did not answer the question. "I'm going to have to ask you to have a little patience for when our platform gets released," he said, promising that there will be "clear demarcations" between the two leaders.

The response seemingly didn't pass muster with the hundreds of delegates in the ballroom. Many started booing Scheer.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/sc ... &ocid=iehp
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 7th, 2018, 2:21 pm

Ka-El wrote:The beauty is the partisan Conservatives think they picked a winner. It's perfect!


And the bigger beauty is the partisan Liberals think they haven't. It's perfect!
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby Ka-El » Dec 7th, 2018, 4:55 pm

Andrew Scheer’s Conservatives are taking a worrisome turn on migrants

A spectre is haunting Canada, or at least the parts of it susceptible to the allure of populist right-wing thinking. According to the latest theory sweeping these quarters, our borders are about to be erased, our citizenship undermined, our very sovereignty reduced to naught.

The alleged culprit? A document wordily entitled the Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration, to be adopted next week by Canada and dozens of other countries at a United Nations-sponsored conference in Marrakech, Morocco.

On a plain reading of the 34-page agreement, it’s a list of mostly laudable objectives to deal with the flood of global migration. The basic idea is that, with some 258 million people seeking refuge, it’s better for countries to work together to treat migrants decently and reduce the number of people fleeing their homelands.

It is, the document makes clear, a “non-legally binding cooperative framework.” It explicitly states (see page 2, paragraph 7) that participating nations remain free to set their own immigration policies.

Yet in the fevered world of far-right commentary, the Global Compact has been turned into the latest scheme of power-mad globalists to erase the nation state and flood the west with unwanted migrants.

Rush Limbaugh warns it means “a massive influx of legal migration into our countries.” The loony but popular Infowars site claims there’s a “UN plan to flood America with 600 million migrants.” Closer to home, a columnist in the Toronto Sun calls the compact a “radical global scheme that undermines Canada’s laws and traditions while pushing for mass migration and open borders.”

For Canadians, all that was a noisy sideshow until this week when Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer joined the populist bandwagon.

<snip>

It’s not clear how much, if any, of this Scheer actually believes, given the mostly banal nature of the document and its repeated assertions that it won’t bind Canada to actually doing anything.

What is clear is that by signing on to the anti-UN campaign Scheer has made a deliberate choice to stoke fears about the influx of migrants across our border and about immigration in general.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/ ... &ocid=iehp

So, Andy wants to make this next election about populism? Not the course I would have advised, but I’ll guess we’ll find out one way or another which way the electorate leans and what really matters when the entire country votes.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 8th, 2018, 11:27 am

Ka-El wrote:So, Andy wants to make this next election about populism?


I know it was an article in the Red Star, so of course it's going to be biased to the alt-left echo chamber dwellers, but at some point politicians have to take a stand on this issue. Either they are for countries having borders, or they are not. At which point, if there are no borders, what are we? We aren't a country anymore. So what's the point of paying taxes? Every person for themselves at that point. Is that the goal of the unelected UN? To end all countries? Dare anyone even ask this question or be immediately labeled a "racist", a "bigot", or a "populist" by small-minded partisan leftists?

The Liberals seem perfectly content to float on their warm tummies, and this appeals to other sanctimonious warm tummy voters. Are there enough out there? Or will there be people who want to actually control immigration? These are questions that may or may not be settled.

Not the course I would have advised, but I’ll guess we’ll find out one way or another which way the electorate leans and what really matters when the entire country votes.


as long as the issue is properly framed. Just labeling anyone who favors borders as a "bigot" won't help anyone. Pointing at people who want to bend over to the UN's demands as "weak-kneed brainless losers" may be accurate, but probably won't help either.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 9th, 2018, 1:18 am

The Green Barbarian wrote:
Ka-El wrote:So, Andy wants to make this next election about populism?


I know it was an article in the Red Star, so of course it's going to be biased to the alt-left echo chamber dwellers, but at some point politicians have to take a stand on this issue. Either they are for countries having borders, or they are not. At which point, if there are no borders, what are we? We aren't a country anymore. So what's the point of paying taxes? Every person for themselves at that point. Is that the goal of the unelected UN? To end all countries? Dare anyone even ask this question or be immediately labeled a "racist", a "bigot", or a "populist" by small-minded partisan leftists?

The Liberals seem perfectly content to float on their warm tummies, and this appeals to other sanctimonious warm tummy voters. Are there enough out there? Or will there be people who want to actually control immigration? These are questions that may or may not be settled.

Not the course I would have advised, but I’ll guess we’ll find out one way or another which way the electorate leans and what really matters when the entire country votes.


as long as the issue is properly framed. Just labeling anyone who favors borders as a "bigot" won't help anyone. Pointing at people who want to bend over to the UN's demands as "weak-kneed brainless losers" may be accurate, but probably won't help either.


Here is some reading for you GB: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/andrew-coyne-andrew-scheer-steers-hard-to-right-on-un-migrants-pact

"But with the Conservative leader’s embrace of far-right fear-mongering over an anodyne UN agreement on immigration, we are deep into the fever swamp. It is disturbing and frankly embarrassing to see."

SNIP

"As in previous such episodes, what begins on the outer fringes of debate migrates inward: from racist websites to the right-wing press to opportunistic political leaders."

SNIP

"And yet there was Scheer on Tuesday, claiming the agreement could “open the door to foreign bureaucrats telling Canada how to manage our borders.” The Conservatives, he said “strongly oppose Canada signing” the compact and would “withdraw” Canada from it if elected. To which I suppose the best answer was supplied by Louise Arbour, UN envoy for international migration and former Supreme Court of Canada judge: “There’s nothing to sign. It’s not a treaty.”"


Yup, there is the peanut chucking arrogant jerk Scheer assuming that Canadians are and will remain ignorant. That's not how Canadians operate, they find the facts.

So, to make it easy for all, here is the document: http://undocs.org/en/A/CONF.231/3

Yup, I read through it, and it is pretty innocuous, with some things that are beneficial to Canada, like:

"Ensure that all migrants have proof of legal identity and adequate documentation"

Betcha most Canadians think that is a good thing!

Have a look at the actual document, it does NOT impinge on on sovereignty, but aims to rationalize immigration so that people have things like the aforementioned documentation and can be processed efficiently. It aims to crack down on human smuggling - another thing I am sure Canadians agree with.

So is Scheer suggesting that Canadians don't want to see a crackdown on human smuggling or immigrants to have proper documentation?

I urge you to read the document, it is non binding and does NOT impinge on our sovereignty. Scheer picking up the alt-right chant is just plain wrong!
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby jimmy4321 » Dec 9th, 2018, 1:29 pm

Dimples got booed by the natives , he can't even provide an idea of a platform for the next election, Couldn't even differentiate himself from Harper Lol! Waiting on his mind implant.

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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby Ub2 » Dec 11th, 2018, 5:56 pm

http://www.nanos.co/our-insight/

Conservatives 35, Liberals 34, NDP 16, Green 8, People’s 1 in latest Nanos federal tracking

2018-12-11

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You just never know . . . . go figure, go dimples!

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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby csm » Dec 22nd, 2018, 10:25 am

a TOAD would be 100x better than the communist we have running Canada now.

You wan't more ISIS warriors living next door?
You want more national debt?
You want more of your freedoms stripped away and more government control of the news media?
You want to pay MORE taxes until you are at the point you make nothing - except a government welfare cheque to keep you impoverished and under control?
You want more alienation of trade partners because they can't stand the privileged narcissistic brat?

Then - go ahead and vote for him, because if he gets in again, that may be the last time you will ever have that right.

He is finishing off his old man's agenda - but with his own "Personal" twist, if he gets in again, I'm heading south because I can't stand the stink of a Socialist Liberal - never have and never will!!
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby csm » Dec 22nd, 2018, 10:32 am

crookedmember wrote:As so-called Conservatives fiddle with their childish memes and slow-witted facebook slandering, yet another extensive national poll shows the party is on the road to its largest defeat in recent history.

They are doing well nowhere except for the three flyover provinces.

This is what they get for letting the nutbags at Rebel Media take over the party.

http://abacusdata.ca/liberals-see-an-uptick-conservative-growth-stalls/


Don't know what polls you are reading - oh wait - you mean the polls and news media owned by that turd, that he just bought with our tax money?? hahahahaha from the independent poll I read, he is 20% down from his election numbers, and I think he has burned a lot of holes in his lifejacket and is sinking fast - thank god!!!

Those flyover provinces happen to be 90% of Canada's resources and wealth, and I hope if the master Turd. by some miracle, gets in again, they will separate and PQ can kiss their preverbial asses.

Bye Bye Turdo - happy retirement and please, take all your socialist / Marxist liberal dorks with you?
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby csm » Dec 22nd, 2018, 10:43 am

Ka-El wrote:It's going to take more than a peanut chucker to defeat Trudeau that's for sure. Hopefully, Bernier is successful enough that we at least have a credible opposition in the House. The only thing dimples will accomplish is making Trudeau look good.


As much as you like your hero, he is just another Frenchman taking over Canada for French purposes.

You can bet the transfer of a billion or so to Quebec year after year, and nothing to the rest of the provinces will not change.

All we do outside of Quebec is support Quebec, and I'm tired of that too.

Trudeau said on live television "in Quebec" that Quebec is better than the rest of Canada.

So, we all know where his loyalty lay, and that of Bernier will be no different.

I have no use for Quebec, nor have I met a Quebecer I actually liked or that had anything intelligent to say.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby csm » Dec 22nd, 2018, 10:47 am

crookedmember wrote:One problem with little Andy, and it seems to have infected these Reform/Alliance "conservatives" in general, is if you view his twitter timeline, it's full of stupid memes and "Justin Trudeau is the enemy" tripe, but what you won't see is policy or anything that bespeaks intelligence.

When people consider this so-called conservative party, they don't see leaders or a potential government, they see children.

And in spite of all the polls telling them they're on the wrong track and in for a shellacking, they just keep getting stupider and stupider.


Well, at least he has the fact that "Justin Trudeau Is The Enemy" down, because he isn't just the enemy of the Cons, he is the enemy to Canadian Freedom and Democracy, and a sensible approach to Government.

I doubt Scheer will fly around on the taxpayer dime to flaunt around in Gay parades while the country is sinking into economic crisis, and alienation from it's trading partners.

What Canada needs is a Leader, not a narcissistic Marxist wannabe who is only doing this as another checkmark on his expensive bucket list.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby csm » Dec 22nd, 2018, 11:04 am

crookedmember wrote:Nobody likes little Andy.

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Atlantic Canada and Quebec aren't "Real Canadians anyway" - they are simply another welfare state supported by the west and should be cut loose to flounder ( excuse the pun ) on their own. The "Real" economic wealth of Canada is from Ontario west.

Thanks to that big Turd in Ottawa - you just can't see that in 20 years you will be living under Sharia Law, as the Islamic state is slowly moving to Canada -- they destroyed their own countries, and now are coming to destroy ours - all with your hero's blessing.

They have 8 kids to our 1 - get the picture?? Belgium is on the Brink and so is Denmark - check it out!

Sure easy to see how many communists( sorry - "Liberals") reside in this forum.
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