Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby csm » Dec 22nd, 2018, 10:20 am

crookedmember wrote:As so-called Conservatives fiddle with their childish memes and slow-witted facebook slandering, yet another extensive national poll shows the party is on the road to its largest defeat in recent history.

They are doing well nowhere except for the three flyover provinces.

This is what they get for letting the nutbags at Rebel Media take over the party.

http://abacusdata.ca/liberals-see-an-uptick-conservative-growth-stalls/

At least the Rebel media isn't paid off with my tax money to spew Liberal vomit.
Plus they aren't pro anything except to expose government mismanagement and manipulation against it's own people.

I think it's time for all the western provinces to unite and bring back the Western Alliance and work towards separation again.

We in the west all know that we are run by the east.

The Western Alliance was instrumental in ridding the country of that wannabe tyrant Trudeau Sr., and perhaps it's time for history to repeat itself.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 22nd, 2018, 11:31 am

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crookedmember wrote:As so-called Conservatives fiddle with their childish memes and slow-witted facebook slandering, yet another extensive national poll shows the party is on the road to its largest defeat in recent history.

They are doing well nowhere except for the three flyover provinces.

This is what they get for letting the nutbags at Rebel Media take over the party.

http://abacusdata.ca/liberals-see-an-uptick-conservative-growth-stalls/

At least the Rebel media isn't paid off with my tax money to spew Liberal vomit.
Plus they aren't pro anything except to expose government mismanagement and manipulation against it's own people.

I think it's time for all the western provinces to unite and bring back the Western Alliance and work towards separation again.

We in the west all know that we are run by the east.

The Western Alliance was instrumental in ridding the country of that wannabe tyrant Trudeau Sr., and perhaps it's time for history to repeat itself.


Good lord. Next you will be telling us the current government is putting drigs in jet fuel for mind control.

When the only media you find comfort in is out on the fringe, doesn't that tell you something? And it ain't that your views are correct and everyone else is wrong.

The Alberta political permanent "chip on the shoulder" is an interesting phenomenon, but it doesn't sell well in the rest of the country. I agree with the Alberta politicians that a pipeline to tidewater should be built - it is stupid that we are shipping 337,000 bpd by rail.

Oddly enough, that permanent "chip on the shoulder" that Alberta politicians carry is self defeating. It causes people in other parts of the country to dig in their heels.

Take for example your denigration of folks in Quebec and the Maritimes. There is a balance compromise with those folks that would benefit Alberta, such as the New Brunswick premier's suggestion that the way forward for a version of Energy East by having the federal government find terms that all can compromise upon and sort a preferred route - and only then look for expressions of interest. IF the Alberta politician's "chip on the shoulder" gets played up (which they will do for personal gain), then finding that compromise/consensus becomes nigh on to impossible. So in that way, the Alberta politician's (as opposed to the people) "chip on the shoulder" works very much against Alberta interests.

We are all Canadians. That approach, and compromise, is what gets things done. The divisive "this province vs that province" may suit the interests of parochial and small minded politicians - but it does not suit the real needs of Canadians. We should be deeply suspicious of politicians who play that game.

The current government has correctly tried to steer away from that, even though it has cost them some "points" in the "game" here and there. I thought they might try to penalize "sticky fingers" Horgan and his fool George Heyman for their obstructionism - but they didn't. I thought they might scrap with Doug Ford - but they didn't. Several examples of just being a government that treats all ilks of provincial government equally.

"Points in the game" that politicians go after do not lead to a better Canada. Balanced policy (and yes achieving that will create a few spats) is what makes Canada better.

Scheer seems to be so much a "points in the game" guy that he is losing the center. The Conservative party has always had its strength in being a center-right party. Scheer chasing "points" is losing the Conservative party center votes. Yes, the point chasing can cause some temporary spikes in polls, but when it comes time to vote, Canadians are pretty sensible.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby burnedatstake » Dec 22nd, 2018, 12:04 pm

csm wrote:At least the Rebel media isn't paid off with my tax money to spew Liberal vomit.
Plus they aren't pro anything except to expose government mismanagement and manipulation against it's own people.


interesting points. you bring up the malfeasance of the conservative tactics where they found a way to outmaneuver the rules and look like they are using taxpayer money to ensure partisan outcomes. how? by third party donation tactics or legal tactics. conservative supporters just make a shell company and have that company take environmentalists or whomever they have a disdain for - and make them suffer in courts making them bleed in costs. ior they create a third party shell and funnel donations through that entity so they can fund agendas from rebel media and other supporters. with tactics like that they may as well join the church of scientology. that church has perfected that type of hands off approach to work around laws and rules. and now so has the conservatives.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby Mark5 » Dec 22nd, 2018, 4:04 pm

crookedmember wrote:As so-called Conservatives fiddle with their childish memes and slow-witted facebook slandering, yet another extensive national poll shows the party is on the road to its largest defeat in recent history.

They are doing well nowhere except for the three flyover provinces.

This is what they get for letting the nutbags at Rebel Media take over the party.

http://abacusdata.ca/liberals-see-an-uptick-conservative-growth-stalls/

Sure and Hillary clinton was supposed to win the last American election. I think you have it backwards. Are you actually a Canadian comrade?

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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby Jlabute » Dec 22nd, 2018, 4:38 pm

63% to 35% approval today with only 8% who really like him (and all of them are on castanet). With 10 months to go, Justin will undoubtably screw himself and the country even worse. He is becoming as popular as Elizabeth May and Kathleen Wynne. His cabinet is well disliked too. It isn’t unheard of that media is left leaning, as well as polls which can be used for propaganda.

Forum is proven to be accurate and has conservatives in the lead.
http://poll.forumresearch.com/m/post/2908/federal-horserace-december-2018/
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 22nd, 2018, 7:19 pm

I was watching Scheer mumble around in circles about the Paris Accord that he voted for and told Evan Solomon in the spring that he would have a plan to meet it. Evan asked him about his "plan" - mumble mumble deflect, well I'll have one one day. The guy is worse than Horgan for not doing his homework.

Canadians are too smart to vote for this non committal don't know what I am doing "the dog ate my homework" joke for a leader of the once proud Conservative party. Scheer is turning it into a right wing NDP - yuck!
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby floppi » Dec 22nd, 2018, 8:03 pm

Let's try this again, :D

Why Andrew Scheer will never be prime minister

Reason number one, Harper deja vu. Canadians got a bellyful of Northern Republicanism with the former prime minister, so Scheer’s attempt to create a GOP-style political base in Canada built on the same values is doomed. It will just remind voters why they dumped these guys the last time.

Reason number two: Mother Earth. Justin Trudeau will eat Scheer alive on the environment. Though the Liberals have broken key promises on this file, and will pay a price in British Columbia for doing it, they have at least recognized there is a problem.

Reason three: Scheer’s gun policy, which will play a part in the next election, is based on the NRA fantasy that the government is somehow coming for everyone’s rifle. There is also a little Davy Crockett riff thrown in for good measure. Here is how Scheer, powerful man of marksmanship, described his own hunting prowess:

Reason number four that Scheer will never be prime minister is his narrow band conservative values. He routinely says that such a charge is just character assassination, but his record speaks for itself.

A pro-lifer in the abortion debate, Scheer nominated Conservative MP Rachel Harder to chair the committee on the status of women. Harder, an anti-abortionist, was ousted by pressure from the Liberals and the NDP.

It was a stupid but revealing appointment. The pro-life movement was instrumental in getting Scheer the leader’s job. Perhaps that’s why he is in favour of having Ottawa fund anti-abortion groups.

Scheer also voted against same-sex marriage in 2005.

The fifth reason Scheer won’t have to worry about measuring the drapes for 24 Sussex (should it ever habitable again) is that his party’s reputation for fiscal management is a pleasant fiction.

It is true that Trudeau is spending the numbers off the national credit card, as he weaves his way toward a budget deficit of $23.4 billion.

But after inheriting a budgetary surplus from former Prime Minister Paul Martin, Scheer and his party ran deficits in seven of the nine years they were the government. Eight of nine actually, if you discount the creative accounting in 2014-2015.

His was the party that *bleep* away $1.1 billion on the G8 and G20 summits in 2010, and was willing to make the largest purchase of military equipment in Canadian history without even knowing the firm price of the F-35 fighter jet.

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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby Catsumi » Dec 22nd, 2018, 8:20 pm

You peeps are truly desperate. That's ok though. After election day you will have lots of time to rest and to figure out how you went so wrong.

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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby csm » Dec 23rd, 2018, 9:15 am

csm wrote:
crookedmember wrote:As so-called Conservatives fiddle with their childish memes and slow-witted facebook slandering, yet another extensive national poll shows the party is on the road to its largest defeat in recent history.

They are doing well nowhere except for the three flyover provinces.

This is what they get for letting the nutbags at Rebel Media take over the party.

http://abacusdata.ca/liberals-see-an-uptick-conservative-growth-stalls/

At least the Rebel media isn't paid off with my tax money to spew Liberal vomit.
Plus they aren't pro anything except to expose government mismanagement and manipulation against it's own people.

I think it's time for all the western provinces to unite and bring back the Western Alliance and work towards separation again.

We in the west all know that we are run by the east.

The Western Alliance was instrumental in ridding the country of that wannabe tyrant Trudeau Sr., and perhaps it's time for history to repeat itself.


Good lord. Next you will be telling us the current government is putting drigs in jet fuel for mind control.

When the only media you find comfort in is out on the fringe, doesn't that tell you something? And it ain't that your views are correct and everyone else is wrong.

The Alberta political permanent "chip on the shoulder" is an interesting phenomenon, but it doesn't sell well in the rest of the country. I agree with the Alberta politicians that a pipeline to tidewater should be built - it is stupid that we are shipping 337,000 bpd by rail.

Oddly enough, that permanent "chip on the shoulder" that Alberta politicians carry is self defeating. It causes people in other parts of the country to dig in their heels.

Take for example your denigration of folks in Quebec and the Maritimes. There is a balance compromise with those folks that would benefit Alberta, such as the New Brunswick premier's suggestion that the way forward for a version of Energy East by having the federal government find terms that all can compromise upon and sort a preferred route - and only then look for expressions of interest. IF the Alberta politician's "chip on the shoulder" gets played up (which they will do for personal gain), then finding that compromise/consensus becomes nigh on to impossible. So in that way, the Alberta politician's (as opposed to the people) "chip on the shoulder" works very much against Alberta interests.

We are all Canadians. That approach, and compromise, is what gets things done. The divisive "this province vs that province" may suit the interests of parochial and small minded politicians - but it does not suit the real needs of Canadians. We should be deeply suspicious of politicians who play that game.

The current government has correctly tried to steer away from that, even though it has cost them some "points" in the "game" here and there. I thought they might try to penalize "sticky fingers" Horgan and his fool George Heyman for their obstructionism - but they didn't. I thought they might scrap with Doug Ford - but they didn't. Several examples of just being a government that treats all ilks of provincial government equally.

"Points in the game" that politicians go after do not lead to a better Canada. Balanced policy (and yes achieving that will create a few spats) is what makes Canada better.

Scheer seems to be so much a "points in the game" guy that he is losing the center. The Conservative party has always had its strength in being a center-right party. Scheer chasing "points" is losing the Conservative party center votes. Yes, the point chasing can cause some temporary spikes in polls, but when it comes time to vote, Canadians are pretty sensible.[/quote]

Hmm - seems I have more "likes" than your "0", so tell you what - once the resource rich west decides to divorce itself from the welfare east, you can always emigrate to be with your socialist hero.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby csm » Dec 23rd, 2018, 9:48 am

bob vernon wrote:Trudeau will absolutely destroy Scheer in next year's election. A few minor earthquakes have shaken Scheer in the past year. Maxime Bernier will nibble a few percentages from the Conservatives. Jagmeet Singh's NDP have undergone a collapse. They are in jeopardy of falling lower than the Greens. Where will this NDP support go? Some to the Greens, but some will drift to the Liberals.

Major earthquakes: Doug Ford's actions in Ontario aren't earning the Conservatives any support in Ontario. Ontario is really wondering why they elected this guy? And his dismissal of the French Language office in Ontario will play really well in a Federal election in Quebec, won't it?
Scheer's positions on abortion and women in the work force (all before he became leader, of course) will be dragged up. The tapes have been saved and the ads already written. "If women stayed at home and didn't work, the unemployment rate would be a lot lower." Scheer will be painted as an old style Neanderthal male chauvinist. Female voters will look elsewhere.
The ultimate earthquake: Pharmacare. About one-quarter of Canadian households find prescription medicines are financially difficult to maintain. And all those old folks on meds are voters. The Conservatives have been marginally on the side of BigPharma in the past. The ads during the campaign will make sure Andy and the Cons are painted as fully on the side of BigPharma and Justin will be painted as the saviour of us all from the clutches of Big Pharma. This powder has been kept dry by the Liberals and will be used leading up to 2019.

Carbon tax?: it is being neutralized as an issue by sending cheques to everybody.

Majority? Yeah.


If they are going to refund the carbon tax - why initiate it in the first place? That is total lunacy to believe that one - because the simple beauracratic cost of initiating, managing and refunding will be enormous - like the stupid gun registry - another "FAILED" and hugely expensive Liberal Initiative that did NOTHING but cost money!!!

So..... you think the public will vote more for this traitor Trudeau, because of his out of control spending putting us billions in debt? Also, that they all like the tidal wave of migrants being welcomed in Canada to take what little jobs there are left? The majority of which are also members of a religion that breed 8 kids to our one and will eventually take over this country and enact sharia law on the minority ( like Belgium & Denmark are on the verge)? To harbour muslim terrorists and give them a 10 million dollar nest eggs as a welcome package? To give your tax money to muslim organizations that support and teach children how to kill non-muslims? Giving billions to Quebec in transfer payments ( welfare ), that comes out of OUR pockets? Creates a huge deficit then tries to "fix" it by enormously increasing our taxes? Alienation of our trade partners? And that is only the beginning!

Trudeau needs to go NOW and he can take all his bloody socialist/communist love birds with him because he is "BAD FOR CANADA"!

The Western Canada Concept scared the East voters because of the increasing support from the west and the threat of separation was becoming all too real, and that threatened their transfer payments ( welfare ) so they dumped PET, and that screwed his vision of a Dictatorship ( which sonny boy is now trying to resurrect - and will FAIL!).

Once the WCC combined with the Cons, they finally got rid of the rats nest of Liberal Socialists, but now they are back!

Federal Liberals in Canada are now nothing more than Socialist Autocrats, and no longer a democratic party - Excrement doesn't change it's stink just because you change it's name!!

The people of this country will decide their fate in Oct of 2019 - hopefully they can see through this Liberal cancer and remove it 100%, providing they aren't too stoned or too ignorant to vote!
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 23rd, 2018, 7:24 pm

The purpose of a revenue neutral carbon tax is to steer behavior, without penalty or negative overall economic effects. IF you don't refund it, then it becomes just another tax grab and penalizes rural folk. If it is properly refunded, then it does not penalize rural folks - but makes everybody think twice at the pumps etc.

The danger is, as has happened in BC, you get a subsequent "tax and waste" NDP government such as we have in BC, and then they stupidly convert it to just another tax grab. Fortunately there is no danger of a federal NDP government - ever.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby burnedatstake » Dec 23rd, 2018, 11:24 pm

hobbyguy wrote:The purpose of a revenue neutral carbon tax is to steer behavior, without penalty or negative overall economic effects. IF you don't refund it, then it becomes just another tax grab and penalizes rural folk. If it is properly refunded, then it does not penalize rural folks - but makes everybody think twice at the pumps etc.

The danger is, as has happened in BC, you get a subsequent "tax and waste" NDP government such as we have in BC, and then they stupidly convert it to just another tax grab. Fortunately there is no danger of a federal NDP government - ever.


the provinces have been begging for more revenue from the feds forever. so they create a fully encompassing revenue neutral carbon tax and provide that to the provinces. and the provinces dont have to raise their own taxes. win win.
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 24th, 2018, 3:31 pm

burnedatstake wrote:
hobbyguy wrote:The purpose of a revenue neutral carbon tax is to steer behavior, without penalty or negative overall economic effects. IF you don't refund it, then it becomes just another tax grab and penalizes rural folk. If it is properly refunded, then it does not penalize rural folks - but makes everybody think twice at the pumps etc.

The danger is, as has happened in BC, you get a subsequent "tax and waste" NDP government such as we have in BC, and then they stupidly convert it to just another tax grab. Fortunately there is no danger of a federal NDP government - ever.


the provinces have been begging for more revenue from the feds forever. so they create a fully encompassing revenue neutral carbon tax and provide that to the provinces. and the provinces dont have to raise their own taxes. win win.


NO. Then the carbon tax becomes jut another "sticky fingers" type tax grab.

All tax increases need to be honest. A "carbon tax" that is for general revenue is NOT a carbon tax.

A carbon tax that is revenue neutral is efficient in changing behavior without imposing hardship or economic inefficiency.

IF a provincial government wants to raise taxes, then - not as in BC - they need to be honest about it. We have "speculation" taxes that are bogus, "carbon" taxes that are bogus, "school" taxes that are bogus. But the we have a bogus government that never got elected...

All of that aside, Scheer is still back tracking on doing anything, and has not come up with his promised "plan". Fer cryin' out loud Scheer and Conservatives - how about being honest and telling us what the heck you "plan" to do. Seems to me just your usual poll reading and nothing. If you are going to do nothing Andrew - man up and darn well say so! Max has! https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/carbon_pricing_is_not_a_market_based_solution Is Andrew that gutless that he won't ever to commit to anything? Come on Andrew - are you going to follow Max or Justin or Jagmeet or Elizabeth? Oh wait, a "leader" will "lead" on positions and plans.

I know Andrew, the latest polls aren't in yet, so how can you come up with a "plan"? Poor Andrew, those poll guys are just so slow...
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 31st, 2018, 4:21 pm

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-andrew-scheers-problematic-leadership-sparks-concern-among-conservatives

Bit of an older article, but worth a read. I like this part:

"Not that Scheer can be Harper, anymore than he can be Trudeau.

But he has emerged as a junior partner to Ford in Ontario, just as he has to Jason Kenney in Alberta. Kenney is said to have introduced Scheer as the newspaper-clippings guy from the Opposition Leader’s Office"
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Re: Scheer's Reform/Alliance CPC Headed for Historic Defeat

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