Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby rustled » Nov 22nd, 2018, 10:33 am

^^I look forward to Horwath's take on this move by the current federal government. Here's what she said about Conservatives holding the reins:
NDP Leader Andrea Horwath slammed Ontario News Now outside Queen's Park on Wednesday, saying it's not a news site and that a "free press" is paramount for holding a government to account.

"It's our job as the Opposition, but it's also the media's job — and that's what keeps our democracy functioning. To suggest that one political party controls the news, controls what people hear or don't hear about what happens here in the Legislature, is a slippery slope into a very dangerous place," she said.
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"We need to be asked hard questions. We may not always like those questions, but we need to be asked those questions."

Let us hope there is no double standard here.

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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby Ka-El » Nov 22nd, 2018, 11:01 am

"It's our job as the Opposition, but it's also the media's job — and that's what keeps our democracy functioning. To suggest that one political party controls the news, controls what people hear or don't hear about what happens here in the Legislature, is a slippery slope into a very dangerous place," she said.

She is absolutely correct in my opinion, and I would go further to include the electorate when it comes to holding the government to account. I would have expected more outrage in Ontario, but it seems folk are all too ready to lap up the government slop there. I am certainly not encouraging anyone here to lap up the slop (at least not any more than they already are - Brietbart, The Rebel, etc.) and would also prefer not to see any double standard. Might be too late for that though.
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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby Because_They_Lie » Nov 22nd, 2018, 1:00 pm

Omnitheo wrote:Whole lot of conspiracy stuff going on in here.

Since the rise of the internet, many news companies have struggled or gone under. The government is offering to help. This hopefully discourages news companies from resorting to ever more desperate and sensationalized news in order to make a profit, as we’ve seen happen in the UN and with some fringe news companies in Canada.

In no way is this nationalization. Unless you wanted to say that the oil companies in Canada are nationalized because they receive some government aid.

As for companies like “The Rebel” who most certainly do not meet journalistic standards, they could either clean up their game, or just continue to get their funding through the goodwill of gullible paranoid viewers as they have been for years. Or be like Alex Jones and sell bogus “enhancement” supplements to fund the propoganda and lawsuits.

Meanwhile the real news will be able to focus on real news without stooping to Fox News levels to desperately attract enough ad revenue to survive.


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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby jimmy4321 » Nov 22nd, 2018, 3:42 pm

Elections not even here and the right are already creating the excuses for failure.
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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 22nd, 2018, 4:40 pm

jimmy4321 wrote:Elections not even here and the right are already creating the excuses for failure.


Failure of the Liberals and PM Dumb-Dumb? No real excuses needed, they are failing all on their own.
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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby Because_They_Lie » Nov 22nd, 2018, 7:56 pm

How desperate and naïve does one have to be to believe that any of the mainstream news is meant to inform and empower them?

Such fools!
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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby hobbyguy » Nov 22nd, 2018, 9:24 pm

Catsumi wrote:Speaking of news and newspapers, here's a tidbit from the NP regarding out of control spending by the beloved Federal gov't.


https://nationalpost.com/author/jivisonnp

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew ... oplay=true


Actually, while I agree that it would be preferable to lower the deficit, the course taken responds to external changes and recognizes the balancing act that Poloz points out between fiscal and monetary policy. Fiscal and monetary policy go hand in hand. Poloz is on track to raise interest rates, which acts as a damper on the economy. I agree with move, as interest rates were far too low for far too long. In order to balance that out, fiscal policy must be fairly loose in order to allow the economy to adjust.

IF the math matters to you, then you will know that Harper's ill advised gratuitous tax cuts destroyed the fiscal balance that Chretien and Martin worked so hard to achieve. Cutting taxes is dead easy, but imprudent when not necessary = and Harper did it just to buy votes. In terms of federal government spending we are at the "squeak point" where revenues are insufficient to provide the services Canadians expect. Harper did a "voodoo economics" shell game that puts the federal finances in a double bind. The results for Harper were a string of nasty deficits, some of which, yes, were a result of the 08 debacle, and even Harper's "Mr. Nasty" last budget - which cost him the election - was not balanced under proper accounting rules.

The balance of factors means that at the moment, we are not in a position to undo the tax revenue damage that Harper and the Conservatives caused. Which makes any criticisms from the Conservatives rather rich!

It should also be noted that given the ill advised tax cuts that T.Rump put through, Canada has little choice but to react. That is prudent by any stripe of government, even though the T.Rump tax cuts really stupid. That response adds a few billion to the deficit. Hard for Conservatives to argue that move.

Thus right now, a sketched out, it looks like the prudent plan is:

1) raise interest rates to normal levels and allow the economy to adjust (12-18 months)
2) ease up on investments in the economy (18-36 months)
3) look at revenues after that, hopefully sufficient to avoid tax increases.

Add, shorter term: get the TMX built. The higher price for Canadian product will help a LOT.

All of that kinda looks like what Morneau is up to.

So while the prudent old codger in me doesn't like the deficits, I can agree with the logic in context. I certainly don't see a better way to proceed.

Or perhaps you can? Bearing in mind that Harper's spending, as a percentage of GDP, was higher on average than what the Liberals are doing.
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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby csm » Nov 23rd, 2018, 11:38 am

Glacier wrote:Trudeau has just nationalized journalism. The panel who will select who gets money based on “journalistic standards” will be set by him in both accounts, no doubt. Any journalist that takes this money will no longer be independent. Thus dies journalism. Anyone who strays out of line from the Official Story gets no money.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federa ... alism.html


This is extremely dangerous and obvious move for a totalitarian system of government - dictatorship 101 is control of the media.

If he wins the next election, there may never be a "true" election again - just like in Russia.
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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby ninetyninepct » Nov 23rd, 2018, 12:44 pm

Trudeau and the Liberals have a history of supporting businesses that need to be allowed to fail. Look at the CBC or Bombadeer. Neither can make it on their own and because of welfare cheques, continue to pander to the Liberals. This also applies to oil and resource companies. The strongest and most able will survive.

We all know the CBC is the Liberal Propaganda Department and CTV is morphing into CNN light. Same with the Conservatives under Scheer. They have turned into an ineffective bunch of whiners that claim to make Imam Trudeau accountable but in reality are way too soft on him.

Trudeau's hand picked committee will simply ban or modify all news in Canada to make sure Trudeau and his lackeys look good or that information not completely favorable to Trudeau will simply disappear.

This is one reason sites like this are so critical to freedom and democracy in Canada. With very minor monitoring, we are able to vent and comment. Stats Can wants to spy on our entire lives and watching us on sites like this would be quite high on their agenda. You can be quite certain the Liberals have all our mail addresses and are watching. They have to realize we are watching back. Tell your MP and MLA to tell the Liberals to back the hell off. If you have a Liberal MP, so much the better. *bleep* all over them.

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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby d0nb » Nov 23rd, 2018, 2:54 pm

Having wasted billions on a ‘public broadcaster’ that only the party faithful can bear to watch, in order to spread their message to a broader audience, the Liberals will now offer cash rewards to “trusted” private-sector purveyors of sanctioned opinion.

More than ever, editorials and ‘news’ reports will resemble grant applications, as the corporate and 'non-profit' media compete with CBC to demonstrate that they are the best friends public money can buy.

“Journalists” and their union boss, Jerry Dias have received the Liberal message loud and clear.

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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby Gone_Fishin » Nov 23rd, 2018, 9:36 pm

Even with the new taxes, the platform projects another four years of deficits if the Liberals are re-elected on Oct. 21 — $27.4 billion next year, falling to $21 billion by the fourth year of the mandate.

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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby the truth » Nov 23rd, 2018, 11:03 pm

Carrs Landing Viking wrote:In other words, he is hell bent on suppressing free speech. Especially when it comes to negative views of himself.

What an :cuss: . Can't get rid of him fast enough.


safe to say he wants nothing in the news about terrorists , refugees and immigration and tfwp
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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby csm » Nov 24th, 2018, 11:38 am

Omnitheo wrote:Whole lot of conspiracy stuff going on in here.

Since the rise of the internet, many news companies have struggled or gone under. The government is offering to help. This hopefully discourages news companies from resorting to ever more desperate and sensationalized news in order to make a profit, as we’ve seen happen in the UN and with some fringe news companies in Canada.

In no way is this nationalization. Unless you wanted to say that the oil companies in Canada are nationalized because they receive some government aid.

As for companies like “The Rebel” who most certainly do not meet journalistic standards, they could either clean up their game, or just continue to get their funding through the goodwill of gullible paranoid viewers as they have been for years. Or be like Alex Jones and sell bogus “enhancement” supplements to fund the propoganda and lawsuits.

Meanwhile the real news will be able to focus on real news without stooping to Fox News levels to desperately attract enough ad revenue to survive.


You are nothing but a LIberal disinformationist - all you say are simple lies to protect your lover boy.

Your profile picture tells the whole story - a Federal Liberal is an ultra Left Wing entity - they believe in 2 classes - rich and poor - and the majority are poor to serve the rich.

This is the course France took and it ended in revolution because the people had enough of slavery - and HISTORY will repeat itself. ( and JT and Pierre were from French descent ).

1/2 a billion dollar bailout using MY TAX MONEY for the news media when we have 10's of thousands of homeless people and unemployed - not to mention another 50,000 uneducated immigrants ready to join the flock.

Control the news is one step closer to communism - and JT's daddy was a card carrying communist before he became a so-called "Liberal" ( not much difference these days).

BTW, if it were Jihad Justin's family members waiting to get beheaded by the extremists, sure as hell he would have paid the ransom - but everyone else is expendable - well - surprise - so is he - and next election he is done!!!
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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby csm » Nov 24th, 2018, 11:45 am

*removed*

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Re: Trudeau Nationalizing the Mainstream Media

Postby Catsumi » Nov 24th, 2018, 2:09 pm

In this time of when "news" is being daily questioned....is it fake, biased or even real news? Andrew Coyne of NP questions the need for gov't tax credits and access to a slush fund by publishers. After all, anyone who sets up a blogsite can call themselves publishers.

So then, who decides which ones will receive the government largesse?

What happens when Tory gov't takes over? Do they get to decide which publishers benefit? Will they scrap this latest silly ploy by the Libs in an attempt to influence news?

Read more:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew ... -the-press


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