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Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 8:52 am
by Mordu
Cactusflower wrote:^^Whatever.


Ka-El wrote:^^ You really need to better inform yourself on this issue.
:up:



And, you critics sitting pretty in the Okanagan, if you can stomach the reality behind that rally, imagine this is happening to your family.

This ain't just 'whatever' . . ..

I don't have to imagine . . ..

It’s long past time we had some knowledgeable and responsible environmentalism.

http://globalnews.ca/video/4717734/dray ... c-hardship

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 9:53 am
by Mordu
This is the reality in the oil patch, too!

Yesterday’s meeting at the Clean Energy Technology Centre in Drayton Valley.

These Albertan's with families have transitioned far beyond the bickering of political and environmenat partisanship.

‘All of the government agencies and energy sectors—including green energy—working together in this small town in ‘the patch’ to try to help out in this time of crisis.’

Please take the time to watch the raw video on this site and imagine yourself participating in this way for all Canadians.

http://www.cetc-dv.com/

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 11:45 am
by Cactusflower
https://globalnews.ca/video/3228618/the ... st-economy
There is nothing new about this latest 'bust' in the Alberta oil industry. Those guys in Drayton Valley didn't just fall off the turnip truck. By the looks of them, they've been around for a least a few 'busts' in the past, and they'll likely be around for a couple more, Perhaps if they had paid attention to what economists have been saying for decades, they wouldn't be in dire straits now.

It's time for Albertans to face the reality that's been staring them in the face for such a long time.

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 12:27 pm
by The Green Barbarian
Cactusflower wrote:
It's time for Albertans to face the reality that's been staring them in the face for such a long time.


The only "reality" is that a small group of extremely stupid people are standing in the way of Alberta's future, in their ability to distribute their product to a world hungry for what they produce, and that's just got to stop. It's time this small group of lunatics face the reality that is staring them in the face, and that is that the majority isn't going to stand for this nonsense much longer. I'm surprised that they haven't been rioting like in France. It's time to get moving. Enough is enough.

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 12:51 pm
by alanjh595
To GB and HG.
Thank you for your input and keeping some rational and intelligent postings to this this thread.

Good job, keep up the great work!!!!

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Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 2:32 pm
by Mordu
Cactusflower wrote:https://globalnews.ca/video/3228618/the-history-of-albertas-boom-bust-economy
There is nothing new about this latest 'bust' in the Alberta oil industry. Those guys in Drayton Valley didn't just fall off the turnip truck. By the looks of them, they've been around for a least a few 'busts' in the past, and they'll likely be around for a couple more, Perhaps if they had paid attention to what economists have been saying for decades, they wouldn't be in dire straits now.

It's time for Albertans to face the reality that's been staring them in the face for such a long time.


And to think that at one time I would’ve agreed with you're shallow brand of thinking.

Have you learned how or ever bothered to dig any deeper?

As I mentioned earlier, there's something going on in DV . . ..

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 2:58 pm
by Mordu
As an enticement to everybody to watch the Clean Energy Technology Video to see what could be on the horizon for 'the patch' as a means to make a transition in the clean energy direction (if the ‘idiots’ in Drayton Valley actually deserve such a break, right, Cactusflower?), please watch at least the first half hour where I promise you’ll find a drop dead ROTFL moment within that time frame. I also guarantee the Green Barbarian will get off on this one.

Still the whole thing is going to take some real non-partisan support from Canadians.

Once again, the url:

http://www.cetc-dv.com/

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 3:49 pm
by Mordu
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Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 4:05 pm
by Mordu
Sorry 'bout that.

Rephrased.

I wonder if non-Albertan environmentalists will see what's in it for them given the prejudice I've seen against Alberta's oil patch in general. Perhaps someone from outside Alberta could answer that question for me?

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 5:54 pm
by vegas1500
Mordu wrote:Sorry 'bout that.

Rephrased.

I wonder if non-Albertan environmentalists will see what's in it for them given the prejudice I've seen against Alberta's oil patch in general. Perhaps someone from outside Alberta could answer that question for me?


What certain people on this forum and outside of Alberta don’t realize is the long rippling effect the Alberta oil industry has on the rest of Canada. People, businesses all over the country are one way ore another dependent on Alberta’s oil, their just to naive to see it.

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 7:03 pm
by Cactusflower
Mordu wrote:Sorry 'bout that.

Rephrased.

I wonder if non-Albertan environmentalists will see what's in it for them given the prejudice I've seen against Alberta's oil patch in general. Perhaps someone from outside Alberta could answer that question for me?


I've tried several times to download your link with very little success. Most of the text is missing and there's no video. Could you try posting it again, or perhaps just the video?

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 8:21 pm
by hobbyguy
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/economics/video/ottawa-making-us-miss-out-on-amazing-oil-and-gas-opportunities-canoe-financial%7E1556921

Rafi is critical of Ottawa's performance on getting pipelines built. I understand the impatience, and the impatience of folks in the oil patch.

That said, when asked about a plan, Rafi starts with "Social License". Well, that is the stinker we are stuck on. "Social License" is different things to different people. I may not agree with some of those definitions, but that doesn't change things. We have politicians, who to feather their own nests, can work against social license for anything. We even saw that in Victoria trying to decide on a site for their long needed sewage treatment plant - which pretty much everybody wanted - but NOT in my back yard.

The purchase of the TM pipeline is just about the only way left to get a pipeline built. Even the federal government has had roadblocks thrown up by those who protest and challenge everything in court. We have politicians in BC who are playing games over the pipeline for personal gain - like Kennedy Stewart.

There is no way that private investors can be expected to invest in Canadian pipelines in that context, they become just a road to financial ruin. The time frame is far too long and uncertain.

We do have a government in Ottawa that is committed to getting the pipeline built. The process has to take the necessary time, but once completed there will be a template.

The New Brunswick Premier has that figured out as well, when he says that the process is going to have to be one where governments put all the approvals and side deals in place - and then look for private investors willing to take on the project. No private investor can afford to invest all that time in money before putting a shovel in the ground.

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 8:26 pm
by Catsumi
Possibly there is little left of trust and confidence in "commitments" made by this federal gov't.

Hence the railcar order by Alberta. They can't wait forever for promises kept or promises broken.

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 8:32 pm
by Cactusflower
^^That's not the link I was asking for, HG. I guess Mordu must have left this site. It sure sounded interesting though. Wish I could have seen that Drayton Valley video.

Re: Support for Oil Patch Vow

PostPosted: Dec 5th, 2018, 8:51 pm
by Mordu
Sorry, I don't have facebook, so it took me awhile to get a link.

I tested it here, so I hope it'll work for you?

http://www.facebook.com/brazeaucounty/v ... 830725393/