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First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 8th, 2018, 2:03 pm
by Gone_Fishin
Like father, like son — Justin Trudeau just as dismissive with provinces as PET at First Ministers Meeting

Brian Lilley
Published: December 7, 2018

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau acted just like his daddy on Friday, in all the wrong ways.

Trudeau was hosting a First Ministers Meeting in Montreal and at once was both dismissive of the provinces and premiers, as his father had been, and even tried to pit East against West.

Trudeau set an agenda for the meeting that initially gave premiers little time to raise their issues.

Instead of the PM sitting around the table and discussing issues with the premiers, the plan was to have the premiers listen as Trudeau’s ministers gave glorified Ted Talks on how great the government was.

That didn’t sit well and premiers demanded issues, such as the oil crisis, the auto sector, the lack of cannabis supply and the cost of illegal border crossers all be discussed.

Trudeau promised his ministers would only give presentation for a few minutes before discussions began. That didn’t happen.

At one point New Brunswick’s Blaine Higgs had to interrupt Finance Minister Bill Morneau.

“In the spirit of this being a dialogue, not a lecture — let’s have questions,” a source in the room quoted Higgs as saying.

Leaving for lunch a frustrated Rachel Notley said, “We’ve started,” when I asked her if they had talked about oil.

The Alberta premier had to force the issue into the discussion along with Saskatchewan’s Scott Moe. Moe was obviously frustrated during the break.

This was far from a showdown just between Trudeau and Ontario’s Doug Ford as the PMO would want to describe it, this was a bunch of premiers frustrated with being lectured to by the lackeys of an arrogant and out of touch PM.

First Ministers Meetings are supposed to be about first ministers, the premiers and the PM, not cabinet ministers giving Ted Talks or as one provincial staffer described Morneau’s presentation, a government infomercial.

Sparks did fly between Ford and Trudeau over the issue of carbon taxes with Trudeau reportedly telling the Ontario premier that if Ontario residents didn’t pay more through a carbon tax then the oil sands would have to shut down.

Trudeau’s Environment Minister Catherine McKenna, who was sitting next to Trudeau as he said this was asked by reporters six separate times if this had happened and McKenna refused to answer.

Ford was clear.

“All of a sudden, we had a little surprise in the room, the goal posts got changed,” Ford said.

Ford said Ontario is already on its way to meeting the agreed to carbon dioxide emissions reduction of 30% below 2005 levels, the province already reducing emissions by 22%.

Ontario’s just released environmental plan says it can meet the targets by 2030 without a carbon tax.

Trudeau, though, now says that isn’t good enough. The PM is adamant that Ontario, and all provinces, have a carbon tax.

“He said some provinces are going to have to reduce it more because other provinces like Alberta, won’t be able to hit it,” Ford told reporters regarding the 2030 targets.

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“This just makes it more difficult,” Ford said of attracting new business investment to replace jobs like the ones recently lost at General Motors.

Trudeau’s move also pits East against West.

Do more or watch the oilsands shut down.

The PM knows that he doesn’t stand to lose any seats in Quebec with his environmental agenda and will lose the three seats he has in Alberta regardless.

Dividing the country so he can play to green voters in his home province and in the Vancouver area may be smart politics but it will be disastrous for the economy.

Then again, he wouldn’t be the first politician, or the first Trudeau, to divide the country and kill the economy to keep political power.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... rs-meeting

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 8th, 2018, 2:32 pm
by the truth
the guy needs a good old .can of woop a$$,

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 8th, 2018, 9:40 pm
by Catsumi
If the Western Separation idea rears its head again, no one, least of all JT and minions, should be surprised.

It is evident that he is actively encouraging dissent and division between the provinces.

I now wish we'd taken the separation issue more seriously after PETS reign of terror. The west would probably be much better off than now.

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 9th, 2018, 7:57 am
by Gone_Fishin
Isn't it interesting that western separation rears its head every time there's a Trudeau in office?



Our western first ministers must really struggle to bite their tongues when they're in the same room as that arrogant jackass.

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 9th, 2018, 12:35 pm
by Catsumi
I almost put my fist through my ipad screen watching that video.

He must be given the bum's rush to the door, head first, with a mighty swift kick to follow trailing end.

Talk about being uppity and arrogant!

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 9th, 2018, 12:56 pm
by jimmy4321
*removed*

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 10th, 2018, 6:56 pm
by Catsumi
Another issue causing consternation (Power Play CTV tonite) is Quebec has a surplus and yet the ROC is shovelling $13 BILLION via transfer payments into the Quebec coffers.

Why?? :200:

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 11th, 2018, 8:27 am
by Ka-El
Catsumi wrote: Why?? :200:

To pay for Quebec votes? This equalization formula (already in place) has been a sore point of contention for some time. Apparently Quebec is a have not province based on the relative lack of wealth per person and the cost of their social programs. But given the hardships being faced by other provinces right now, notably Alberta ( normally the national economic engine that helps fund our transfer payments), the absence of any monies being paid to BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan (again) is not going to sit well, and given the importance of the energy industry to Canada and all Canadians, no acknowledgement of or assistance with the crisis is not only politically short-sighted but finally gives the Conservatives something substantive to attack Trudeau on. Focusing on the real issues could be the strategy to defeat the Liberals, and while it was not the Trudeau government that put the equalization formula in place, they do have the power to change it. Not being in tune with the electorate on this issue could cost the Liberals the election - assuming the Cons don't allow themselves to be distracted by the fluff critics. I wonder what Bernier's position on transfer payments is.

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 11th, 2018, 5:26 pm
by Catsumi
Bernier has said he would put an end to transfer payments.

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 11th, 2018, 6:54 pm
by Veovis
Catsumi wrote:Bernier has said he would put an end to transfer payments.


HE's daydreaming. Even if he got elected with that in the promise list, the powers that be wouldn't let him do it. That's my guess.

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 11th, 2018, 7:40 pm
by Catsumi
I suppose you are right Veovis.

It saddens me that the election of one sensible PM is beyond our reach for one reason or other. :135:

Re: First Ministers ticked off at meeting

PostPosted: Dec 11th, 2018, 9:26 pm
by Veovis
Catsumi wrote:I suppose you are right Veovis.

It saddens me that the election of one sensible PM is beyond our reach for one reason or other. :135:


I think we can have a PM we can actually find sensible, part of that will be to work in the actual constraints of the Canadian government instead of promising massive changes for jargon based popularity only to never be able to be able to live up to such claims and promises.

Clearly we need one that will talk and work with provinces instead of just making trendy comments and talking at and over others.