Random Breath tests

Re: Random Breath tests

Postby GordonH » Jan 13th, 2019, 5:05 pm

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to remove drinking drivers from our roads. So that innocent lives are not at risk, well at least from this threat.
Because 50+/- years of counterattack isn't working so far.

To clarify preventative actions.
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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby RVThereYet » Jan 13th, 2019, 6:07 pm

GordonH wrote:Does anyone have any suggestions on how to remove drinking drivers from our roads. So that innocent lives are not at risk, well at least from this threat.
Because 50+/- years of counterattack isn't working so far.

To clarify preventative actions.


Counter-Attack road checks as currently deployed are a joke! I moved to the Okanagan in 1997 and I drive a lot all over the valley and many other places in BC, during that time I can remember one roadblock I was caught up in (Vernon many years ago at Christmas) and one that was opposite side of the road to me (Lake Country 2 years ago, also during Christmas), that's it ... If these checks were to pop up way more frequently and during all times of the year at random times/places "morning, noon and night" (not just Christmas & New Years) I think they would nab way more drunk drivers and the message would eventually get across that if you drive drunk your chances of getting caught are pretty good. The risk of getting caught today under the current set-up are way too low... yes it would cost more tax $, but I for one wouldn't mind if it was to get drunks off the roads. And they should be dealt with under the CCC, none of this IPR BS, unless maybe they blew a warn above .05 but below .08, but anyone over .08 should be charged under the CCC - period!

But I don't think it matters what we do, even if we implemented zero tolerance, 5 years in jail coupled with 10 year DL loss on first offence, people would still drive under the influence. Maybe a lot less than now, but some still would...

And giving the police these carte-blache powers is not the answer for sure...

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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby cr125 » Jan 13th, 2019, 6:17 pm

This Quote I have always believed to be true:


"My house is my castle" simply means that you can do whatever you want to at your own home. Also,
You home is your domain. you are the ultimate ruler, have ultimate responsibility and should be able to do whatever you want in it. you also have the right and responsibility to defend it and protect anyone and anything in it.

Now I would think a police officer should know this, and obtain a warrant, before trying such a stupid move.
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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby GordonH » Jan 13th, 2019, 6:34 pm

GordonH wrote:Does anyone have any suggestions on how to remove drinking drivers from our roads. So that innocent lives are not at risk, well at least from this threat.
Because 50+/- years of counterattack isn't working so far.

To clarify preventative actions.

RVThereYet wrote:Counter-Attack road checks as currently deployed are a joke! I moved to the Okanagan in 1997 and I drive a lot all over the valley and many other places in BC, during that time I can remember one roadblock I was caught up in (Vernon many years ago at Christmas) and one that was opposite side of the road to me (Lake Country 2 years ago, also during Christmas), that's it ... If these checks were to pop up way more frequently and during all times of the year at random times/places "morning, noon and night" (not just Christmas & New Years) I think they would nab way more drunk drivers and the message would eventually get across that if you drive drunk your chances of getting caught are pretty good. The risk of getting caught today under the current set-up are way too low... yes it would cost more tax $, but I for one wouldn't mind if it was to get drunks off the roads. And they should be dealt with under the CCC, none of this IPR BS, unless maybe they blew a warn above .05 but below .08, but anyone over .08 should be charged under the CCC - period!

But I don't think it matters what we do, even if we implemented zero tolerance, 5 years in jail coupled with 10 year DL loss on first offence, people would still drive under the influence. Maybe a lot less than now, but some still would...

And giving the police these carte-blache powers is not the answer for sure...


The loss of human beings to drinking drivers is also not the answer.
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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby RVThereYet » Jan 13th, 2019, 6:47 pm

GordonH wrote:
The loss of human beings to drinking drivers is also not the answer.


Ok, so what do you think should be done then???

And to clarify, I don't mind blowing anytime I'm driving and get stopped in a legal traffic stop, that's not the issue for me, but this coming to my door up to two hours after I get home to demand a breath sample is going too far!
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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby lesliepaul » Jan 13th, 2019, 7:11 pm

I wonder what that *bleep* MP Stephen (I'm a pilot) Fuhr or is it Fuhrer has to say about his "masters" idea of taking away Canadians RIGHTS?

………..never a peep out of this 6 figure pension seeker!
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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby Chyren » Jan 13th, 2019, 9:55 pm

Its amazing reading these forums and seeing more and more anti-police comments when the police did not create this law.
If you disagree with this law then go to your MP and get it changed.

The police are there to catch impaired drivers. YOU pay them to. If they're not out then its a problem, and if they are out its a problem....

Once again if you want to challenge this law then do so.
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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby MAPearce » Jan 13th, 2019, 10:26 pm

The police are there to catch impaired drivers. YOU pay them to. If they're not out then its a problem, and if they are out its a problem...


hmmm...

My first thought is , ok ..

My second thought is , we pay them to catch criminals .. If they can't find any , they can MAKE criminals to catch just to justify their existence ..

Happens every day and this "new" law will make it easier for them to do just that ... Look at the Enterprise Way crawl for an example .

You going to tell me that anyone who's had a long , hard day at work has to wait for two hours for a glass of wine or a beer to unwind AFTER they get home for fear of criminal prosecution ?
I payed attention in High school....But not to what they were trying to teach me..
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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby my5cents » Jan 14th, 2019, 10:28 am

Chyren wrote:Its amazing reading these forums and seeing more and more anti-police comments when the police did not create this law.
If you disagree with this law then go to your MP and get it changed.

The police are there to catch impaired drivers. YOU pay them to. If they're not out then its a problem, and if they are out its a problem....

Once again if you want to challenge this law then do so.


The government enacts laws that tread on our rights. The courts that are funded for by the government and who's judges are chosen by the government uphold those laws that tread on our rights.

The laws say, the police MUST...…

and... you say those concerned with the laws are anti police ?

I'd call that flawed logic.

Yes there will always be over zealous police, that's why all laws enacted must have fail safes. That's why we have (had ?) rights like innocent until proven guilty.
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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 14th, 2019, 11:38 am

GordonH wrote:Does anyone have any suggestions on how to remove drinking drivers from our roads. So that innocent lives are not at risk, well at least from this threat.
Because 50+/- years of counterattack isn't working so far.

To clarify preventative actions.


i think it is and has worked. Remember 70's...80's when you had to drive because you were to loaded to walk.
It was acceptable to drink and drive more back then. Look at it now, I would say that people are 1000% more responsible now.
If thousands of people were dying...even then it still wouldn't be about impaired driving.
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Re: Random Breath Tests

Postby RandyDandy » Jan 14th, 2019, 12:23 pm

Very disturbing news about our growing police state. This is CANADA for crying out loud. Can this really be happening here? Apparently the police can now show up at your residence or a bar or a restaurant and demand a breath sample. If you refuse you will be charged and arrested. How did we get to this point?
http://www.globalnews.ca/news/4832762/i ... h-samples/
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Re: Random Breath Tests

Postby Bsuds » Jan 14th, 2019, 12:25 pm

There is a topic here already.

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=80776
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Re: Random Breath Tests

Postby GordonH » Jan 14th, 2019, 12:39 pm

RandyDandy wrote:Very disturbing news about our growing police state. This is CANADA for crying out loud. Can this really be happening here? Apparently the police can now show up at your residence or a bar or a restaurant and demand a breath sample. If you refuse you will be charged and arrested. How did we get to this point?
://globalnews.ca/news/4832762/impaired-driving-canada-breath-samples/


Those unhappy with the changes, then send a very loud voice to the law makers who installed these changes.
By the way that's not the police forces across this country.
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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 14th, 2019, 2:54 pm

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Re: Random Breath tests

Postby dirtybiker » Jan 14th, 2019, 3:05 pm

Still not sure what these new laws/powers do to curb impaired driving.

Alcohol screening is just a small segment of a much larger
impairment issue.

It does zero towards prescription or non-prescription drug impairment.
It does zero towards sleep deprivation/fatigue impairment.
It does zero toward age or mental impaiments.


To that, all I see it being is a tiny band-aid attempting to
cover a gapeing wound.
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