Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 15th, 2019, 3:56 pm

This is a thread about global population, global immigration and Canadas place in all of it.
Let's start with a few facts. 7.8 billion people and rising with a birthrate of over 200,000 per day or 73,000,000 per year. Some countries in the world...over populated, polluted, politically messed up and, or, generally places that people want or need to get out of.
Some of those people want to come to Canada.
What is a fair, unbiased way to pick and choose who gets to come to Canada? How many is too many or not enough? Does Canada even need any immigration? Is it too late to make any difference in the big scheme of things because we are at 7.8 billion and extinction event number 6 is well underway?

Last night,I was thinking of a way to choose who gets come over, and who doesn't, a way that doesn't discriminate against anyone. A way that doesn't fill up Canada with large amounts of people from 2 or 3 high population countries and is very diverse. Here is a (ultra simplified) possible way...

There are 236 countries in the world. Populations ranging from 12 in the Pitcairn Islands, to China with 1.4 billion.
Canada could assign 1000 (plus or minus a few) non transferable 'immigration credits' to each country. 500 males and 500 females from each country to be fair, give or take a few.
That would be roughly 200,000 immigrants to Canada each year. It would fit Canadas goals of ethnic diversity without enabling or punishing any country for low or high population growth, rich or poor.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Bsuds » Jan 15th, 2019, 4:56 pm

Your birth numbers appear to be a bit low.

http://www.ecology.com/birth-death-rates/
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby seewood » Jan 15th, 2019, 4:58 pm

Seems immigration moves to centers with like populations...meaning the bigger cities.
Just how much employment is available in these cities for immigrants with perhaps comparative sub par education.

The population in sub Sahara Africa is expected to continue to grow at explosive rates the next number of years. Nigeria by the time 2035 rolls around will be number 3 after China and India. This will give Europe some headaches with little rubber boats heading north in such numbers, one might be able to just walk across the Med.
If Canada takes any in, where are they going to live?, really doubt if they have a choice that Winnipeg, Regina, Edmonton will
make the list.
What education do they have to provide a positive contribution to Canada's tax revenue?
Anyway, a difficult issue.
I am a little pi..ed that the ones crossing the boarder in southern Ontario and Quebec are not returned post haste. Refugees are supposed to make a claim in the first country of entry ( USA in this case). Canada can be such snowflakes at times.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Bsuds » Jan 15th, 2019, 5:06 pm

seewood wrote:I am a little pi..ed that the ones crossing the boarder in southern Ontario and Quebec are not returned post haste. Refugees are supposed to make a claim in the first country of entry ( USA in this case). Canada can be such snowflakes at times.


We should build a wall and make Trump pay for it. :biggrin:

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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 15th, 2019, 5:10 pm

Bsuds wrote:Your birth numbers appear to be a bit low.

http://www.ecology.com/birth-death-rates/


I went with the lowest estimate I could find. The one you posted is the higher end but is probably the more accurate.
I went with the lowest to be less depressing.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 15th, 2019, 5:18 pm

seewood wrote:If Canada takes any in, where are they going to live?, really doubt if they have a choice that Winnipeg, Regina, Edmonton willmake the list.

Instead of bitumen no one wants, JT's plan is to use immigration as the economic driver instead. It will keep the housing crisis going (or worse) and keep wages artificially low in almost all areas.
1 million added to Canada over the next 3 years... a drop of water in a endless sea.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Bikes » Jan 15th, 2019, 5:41 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
HERE IS A LINK TO SOMEONE WHO HAS ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS ARISING FROM THIS THREAD
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Jlabute » Jan 15th, 2019, 7:45 pm

Canada births per year
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Canada deaths per year
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Do we need an extra million?
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby HoboJo » Jan 15th, 2019, 7:55 pm

We should build a wall and make Trump pay for it. :biggrin:


I saw a photo shopped version of that famous early photo of the earth surrounded by bricks.

Made me think.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Vacancyrate » Jan 15th, 2019, 8:36 pm

oldtrucker wrote:[
JT's plan is to use immigration as the economic driver instead. It will keep the housing crisis going (or worse) and keep wages artificially low in almost all areas.
1 million added to Canada over the next 3 years... a drop of water in a endless sea.


Housing crisis? 0% vacancy rates? Solution?

BRING IN 300,000 people a year!

Static wages? CEO's and businesses making more money than anytime in history? Solution?

KEEP THOSE WAGES LOW - BRING IN 300,000 PEOPLE WHO NEED JOBS THAT WORK FOR PENNIES

Canadians have stopped having babies because most people in their 20's now live in their parents basements and are paying off student loans. Solution?

BRING IN 300,000 PEOPLE WHO NEED JOBS THAT WORK FOR PENNIES

Oh and I'm a racist Trump supporter for fighting against this type of "problem solving". Just FYI.

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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Vacancyrate » Jan 15th, 2019, 8:40 pm

Jlabute wrote:Do we need an extra million?


85% of Canadian population growth is due to immigration.

Canadians have stopped having babies and the economy must grow all the time.

Profits need to be made. Our economy doesn't exist to meet the needs of Canadians, our economy is here to make sure 1% of people keep on getting filthy rich. In order to do that you have to keep wages low and keep bringing in people.

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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby floppi » Jan 15th, 2019, 9:38 pm

Jlabute wrote:Canada births per year
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Canada deaths per year
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Do we need an extra million?


Ummmm...see that number for 2017 at 398.91 births per 1000? If one was to need 2.1 births per death for replacement population in Canada , the death rate needs to be around 190 death per 1000 instead of what it is at 275. See the problem?
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby HoboJo » Jan 15th, 2019, 9:57 pm

So does 2.1 births/couple assume a 10% non fertility rate then?
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby HoboJo » Jan 15th, 2019, 9:58 pm

Sorry, I mean 5%?
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 15th, 2019, 10:16 pm

Vacancyrate wrote: the economy must grow all the time.


And that will be our undoing.

We've planned our way directly into a dead end at full speed. That's the problem when consuming resources at a increasing rate on a planet with limited resources.
Do we let those resources/ecosystems get gobbled up by people that keep reproducing at a increasing rate globally, or here in Canada?
Someone suggested a wall and let the U.S.pay for it in jest. Lets take that serious for a second.
We are in a unique position here due to our lower ' relative ' population. If we HAD to seal the country off from the rest of the world for whatever reason...we could survive on our own rather well.The more people in the country, the more difficult it would be.
Climate scientists say we have 12 years- ish to get it together. So lets assume that we don't get it together and the entire planet goes into a climate disaster on a unforseen horrible level. If Canada out of the interest of self preservation had to close itself off from the rest of the world, Canada could make it. Perhaps it's time for us to look at global overpopulation on the same threat level as a disastrous climate change event and take steps in the interest of that self preservation.
In the time it's taken me to type this and I type slow,-about 7500 people have been added to the planet.
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