Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby HoboJo » Jan 16th, 2019, 12:18 am

I'm going full nuclear on this post.

China has committed a *bleep* tonne of money for what will be the largest fusion 'test' facility yet.

There happens to be a little fusion research lab here in BC

I deleted my prolonged conspiracy rant below only because I thought that that was the Right thing to do.

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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 16th, 2019, 12:53 am

HoboJo wrote:I'm going full nuclear on this post.

China has committed a *bleep* tonne of money for what will be the largest fusion 'test' facility yet.

There happens to be a little fusion research lab here in BC

I deleted my prolonged conspiracy rant below only because I thought that that was the Right thing to do.

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Ya go for it. I didn't start this thread to pssyfoot around and be politically correct. Say it the way it is.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Smurf » Jan 16th, 2019, 8:26 am

loppi wrote:
Jlabute wrote:
Canada births per year
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Canada deaths per year
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Do we need an extra million?



Ummmm...see that number for 2017 at 398.91 births per 1000? If one was to need 2.1 births per death for replacement population in Canada , the death rate needs to be around 190 death per 1000 instead of what it is at 275. See the problem?


To me the problem is why do we need a positive 2.1 births per death for replacement in a world who is outgrowing itself. We are already having a problem feeding the people we have in the world why is it necessary to keep the population rising. Are we not worsening one of our biggest problems?
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Catsumi » Jan 16th, 2019, 8:39 am

You might find this short article interesting as Canada is forced into role of receiver of immigrants, refugees, illegals.


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbar ... tly-racist


Added: just heard on CBC radio news that it has just been discovered that a man who was deemed to be a threat to national security was granted full citizenship. The review system failed entirely. See Pete Podwoski's post in All Things JT just now for full story.

Anyway, it seems we are not safe with new arrivals coming in 300,000/year that cannot be properly screened. It is just too much.

Personally, I would wish that a fraction of the effort and funds had been diverted and then devoted to saving the Mountain Caribou, now down to last three animals.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Ka-El » Jan 16th, 2019, 9:12 am

Smurf wrote: … why do we need a positive 2.1 births per death for replacement in a world who is outgrowing itself. We are already having a problem feeding the people we have in the world …

We already have the science and technology to feed everyone on the planet (we have for some time). The problem is not so much how many people there are to be fed, but rather the socioeconomic systems that regulate distribution.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby countmeout » Jan 16th, 2019, 9:28 am

Bikes wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
HERE IS A LINK TO SOMEONE WHO HAS ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS ARISING FROM THIS THREAD
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Interesting perspective based on some good facts. It's definitely concerning!
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Smurf » Jan 16th, 2019, 9:55 am

Ka-El wrote:

We already have the science and technology to feed everyone on the planet (we have for some time). The problem is not so much how many people there are to be fed, but rather the socioeconomic systems that regulate distribution.


I'm not so sure that is true but regardless how long do you think it will last if we keep increasing at the rate we are. I believe it is time to step back and take a long look at where we are heading.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Catsumi » Jan 16th, 2019, 10:00 am

Kael, we discussed the miracle of feeding everyone on the planet some months ago. If I remember right there were some major flaws and drawbacks to the technology, mostly environmental damage.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby The Green Barbarian » Jan 16th, 2019, 10:08 am

Time to start terra-forming Mars.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 16th, 2019, 10:43 am

Approx. 100,000 have been added to the planet since my last post. Total intake goal of 1 million over the next 3 years....that number will be added to the global population by noon Thursday of this week. Shows over folks...the curtain just hasn't hit the floor yet. Yes, it's politically correct to try to look good by taking in 1 million in 3 years...but it's pointless and harmful to our country, its environment, and our way of life.
Catsumi posted a link that indicates that anyone discussing this topic is a racist. I must be one very evil bleep for starting this thread. I must even more of a bleep for thinking about national self preservation. I'm not a racist...I'm a realist.
If First Nations people think their way of life and identity has been comprimised by the Europeans arriving here( it has big time), imagine what would happen to that identity being controlled by people that have no responsibility to answer to the FN people. At this rate, FN way of life will be a memory in less than 2 decades.
Our country, its environment, and our way of life is disappearing at about 330,000 people per year or 1000 per day. 1000 per day out of 200,000 plus added to the planet/day.
About 5500 have been added by the time I'm done typing this.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Catsumi » Jan 16th, 2019, 10:49 am

The problem is, OT dearie, that you are preaching to the choir. It is not Canadians that are breeding us off the planet. Those who are doing so are not reading Castanut forums, just too busy. :200:

Why countries who are forever supplying aid during wars, famines and political unrest have not attached to the goodwill given, mandatory birth control is beyond me. For example, one tonne of free food equals 1000 free vasectomies (done by donator, of course). :biggrin:


Down the road we would hope to see a reduction in overpopulated regions which means less strife, fewer wars, more food to go around, more money to spend on education to pull themselves out of the hellholes of present. I realize this is just fantasy but nothing else seems to be working.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 16th, 2019, 10:57 am

The Green Barbarian wrote:Time to start terra-forming Mars.



Not saying you, but some people actually think that's a option. [icon_lol2.gif]

Drop a feather and a steel ball on the surface of Mars...they would hit the ground almost at the same time the atmosphere is so thin.

edit: The more I think about it , the more I like it. Let's set up a immigration centre/ program for Mars. If you can get there and set up...damn!...sport ,it's all yours.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby JLives » Jan 16th, 2019, 1:47 pm

Catsumi wrote:Down the road we would hope to see a reduction in overpopulated regions which means less strife, fewer wars, more food to go around, more money to spend on education to pull themselves out of the hellholes of present. I realize this is just fantasy but nothing else seems to be working.


The key to reducing overpopulation is educating women. We tend to want to do other things than be brood mares when given the opportunity. My Grandma had 8 kids and, while she loved us dearly, took glee in telling us if there was access to birth control back in the day, many of us would not exist today.
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Catsumi » Jan 16th, 2019, 2:00 pm

Yes, that is key. Not many of us would be around today had birth control been available way back when. But, it has been since the 60's and has served us well in developed countries that are forever bailing out countries that will not control their birth rate. The USA, Canada, Australia, Japan and UK regularly export their food, money, assistance and accept population excess. I wonder just how much Canada has donated over last fifty years, only to see the problem expand.

African men prefer not to use birth control. How about education for them too?
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Re: Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

Postby Omnitheo » Jan 16th, 2019, 2:02 pm

Smurf wrote:
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To me the problem is why do we need a positive 2.1 births per death for replacement in a world who is outgrowing itself. We are already having a problem feeding the people we have in the world why is it necessary to keep the population rising. Are we not worsening one of our biggest problems?


Problems feeding is not a population problem. It is a supply and distribution problem. We throw away far more food than we would ever need to, because it's more profitable to deliver 100% of food to a location that will pay a lot for 60% of it and discard the rest than it would be to provide the food to a place that will utilize 100% of it, but pay less.

India alone could produce enough food to feed the entire world. Obviously they aren't the only ones producing food though, and there are malnourished people in parts of India
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