Canada's role in a overpopulated world.

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oldtrucker wrote: Populations ranging from 12 in the Pitcairn Islands,...


{<--- Still scratching my head over that one... :200:

Once they fill all the absolutely essential roles of society; 2 politicians, 1 chief administrative officer, 1 bureaucrat, 1 taxman, 1 judge, 1 CEO, 1 Accountant, 2 lawyers, 1 firefighter, 1 cop... who does all the work? }
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common_sense_guy wrote:This is our country I say shut the door. No more immigration at all. I don't care what people say or think of my idea.. the more people we let in the lower standard of living everyone else has.


Ya, not how that works...

More broadly, the best way to reduce birth rates worldwide is is help economically develop underdeveloped parts of the world. Virtually universally, the higher the standard of living, the lower the birthrate.
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Gilchy wrote:
Ya, not how that works...

More broadly, the best way to reduce birth rates worldwide is is help economically develop underdeveloped parts of the world. Virtually universally, the higher the standard of living, the lower the birthrate.


This maybe true but what happens when they reduce Canada to third world status?
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Gilchy wrote:
common_sense_guy wrote:This is our country I say shut the door. No more immigration at all. I don't care what people say or think of my idea.. the more people we let in the lower standard of living everyone else has.


Ya, not how that works...

More broadly, the best way to reduce birth rates worldwide is is help economically develop underdeveloped parts of the world. Virtually universally, the higher the standard of living, the lower the birthrate.


Education is the key.....more education = less births.
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floppi wrote:
Education is the key.....more education = less births.


and lately, it's been: Belief in the man-made climate change myth = zero births.

And I'm fine with that.
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The Green Barbarian wrote:
floppi wrote:
Education is the key.....more education = less births.


and lately, it's been: Belief in the man-made climate change myth = zero births.

And I'm fine with that.


My second cousin removed made sure to make up for zero births by being on welfare and having four beautiful children "Auntie QK" is going to end up providing funds for college/trades educations.
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Drip_Torch wrote:
oldtrucker wrote: Populations ranging from 12 in the Pitcairn Islands,...


{<--- Still scratching my head over that one... :200:

Once they fill all the absolutely essential roles of society; 2 politicians, 1 chief administrative officer, 1 bureaucrat, 1 taxman, 1 judge, 1 CEO, 1 Accountant, 2 lawyers, 1 firefighter, 1 cop... who does all the work? }


All I know is that after doing some reading on the place....I would love it there. About 50- 100 people are there at any given time. They want immigrants with $$$ to build houses.
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As I recall, the Pitcairners are a tough lot that don't don't herd very well. They're not crazy about outsiders either having been insular for 100 years. Yeah, build a house then fall off a cliff.

You, OT, would be hanging from a tree in no time flat. [icon_lol2.gif]
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Catsumi wrote:As I recall, the Pitcairners are a tough lot that don't don't herd very well. They're not crazy about outsiders either having been insular for 100 years. Yeah, build a house then fall off a cliff.

You, OT, would be hanging from a tree in no time flat. [icon_lol2.gif]


They would be a tough lot. You have to be to live there. Any potential immigrants back out when the gravity of what they are getting into hits them. I've seen that in Canada- people from the city thinking of moving to a wilderness, or middle of nowhere situation...most people won't even think of it and if they actually do move, they usually don't last. Pitcairn Islands? Same planet- different world times a million. It has to be the most remote place a person can go. Closest place with a continental shelf- Chile 5300 kms to the east. Closest place with a emergency room-Tahiti 2100 kms west.

The DNA of the inhabitants is the same as the mutineers from 1789. Wouldn't end up hanging from a tree either, these guys would love it if I showed up with a boatload of fresh DNA( seeking volunteers). Can you imagine how :cuss: up they are after mating with cousins for 230 years?

edit. Oops. Not Chile, New Zealand at 4900 kms away. Looking closer on google earth, if someone had a medical emergency, there's no way to get them out. Doesn't look like a floatplane could even get into the bay, and it would be based 520kms west on Totegegie Island.
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The world isn't overpopulated, our civilizations are just operating incredibly inefficiently. If we focused more oj becoming efficient rather than doomsaying we'd be better off.
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srcrofford wrote:The world isn't overpopulated, our civilizations are just operating incredibly inefficiently.

The one thing about free market economies is that they are not necessarily so efficient. In North America we actually toss 40% of the food we produce. I wonder how many people we could feed with better distribution systems.
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Ka-El wrote:
srcrofford wrote:The world isn't overpopulated, our civilizations are just operating incredibly inefficiently.

The one thing about free market economies is that they are not necessarily so efficient. In North America we actually toss 40% of the food we produce. I wonder how many people we could feed with better distribution systems.


True but socialism in the forms we have seen it is also incredibly inefficient, arguably even more so based on what I know of the USSRs issues with distribution and waste.

I think technology offers a lot here and a mixed system that combines values and systems based on merit rather than emotion has a lot of potential.

An oligarchy rmanaged by AI would probably be the most efficient but there be other issues down that road.
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srcrofford wrote: True but socialism in the forms we have seen it is also incredibly inefficient,

True that, but identifying weaknesses of the free market system does not, by default, presume to mean someone is promoting or supporting socialism. We have to hope there are or can be other mechanisms for expressing and implementing collective will. One of the greatest threats facing us right now is increased polarization setting people at odds when the solutions to most of our challenges are going to found by people who can listen to each other.
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Ka-El wrote:
srcrofford wrote: True but socialism in the forms we have seen it is also incredibly inefficient,

True that, but identifying weaknesses of the free market system does not, by default, presume to mean someone is promoting or supporting socialism. We have to hope there are or can be other mechanisms for expressing and implementing collective will. One of the greatest threats facing us right now is increased polarization setting people at odds when the solutions to most of our challenges are going to found by people who can listen to each other.


Nor is mentioning socialism mean one is deriding it or making assumptions about it either. You seem to have taken that wrong and be defending against something that was never intended. The presumption is yours as you attributed motive to me that was incorrect.

Please take what i said in full in its full context.
Right now in our political climate socialism and capitalism are juxtaposed, as you aluded to, so my comment is not personal to you or anyone else and should not be taken that way in a discussion of ideas. Contrasting it as the popular alternative ideas is the context we are in.
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srcrofford wrote:An oligarchy rmanaged by AI would probably be the most efficient but there be other issues down that road.


I've often considered that myself. If it couldn't be tampered with and if were programmed properly...it may be the only truly blind, objective, non self serving system.

srcrofford wrote:The world isn't overpopulated, our civilizations are just operating incredibly inefficiently. If we focused more oj becoming efficient rather than doomsaying we'd be better off.


Totally agree with you on the efficiency- if done correctly, every person on the planet could be fed and have clean water. Efficiency also has to come into play in the long term big scheme of things, and that's where as I'm sure you know, where I have to disagree with the statement that the world is not overpopulated. I guess that for now, people globally feel that their personal right and freedom of being able to reproduce themselves unlimited times outweighs the importance of saving whatever remaining ecosystems we can by limiting reproductive rates. It's almost 8 billion now, our oceans are being filled with plastic and micro plastics etc...I won't bore anyone with the list of everything environmentally falling apart..planet can't handle anymore. I've said it before...we could just go with business as usual because it's to late to stop extinction event #6, or listen to climate and environmental scientists and get it together in 12 years or less.
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