Admiral Norman trial

[The Green Barbarian]

So you show pics, those CastaCons were all over this lady for defending Ghomeshi.

Which Ghomeshi? This one?

[Catsumi]

Wrong again Jimmy

We were jumping all over Ghomeshi for being a pig. Nothing was ever said about his choice of lawyer.

[Pete Podoski]

You know bloody well that the Liberals would never have apologized.


Mark Norman gets House of Commons apology for impact of failed prosecution

OTTAWA — The House of Commons is apologizing to Vice-Admiral Mark Norman for what he had to endure while facing criminal breach-of-trust charges.

Conservative MP Lisa Raitt got unanimous consent for the statement of regret shortly after question period today.

Norman was second-in-command of the Canadian military when he was charged in 2018 in connection with the alleged leak of secrets to a Quebec shipyard.

The case against him collapsed a week ago when prosecutors said they'd received new information from the defence that put Norman's actions in a new light.

The military is trying to find a place for him again, since his job as vice-chief of the defence staff was filled while he was suspended from duty.

With Raitt's motion, the House of Commons recognized Norman's years of loyal service to Canada.

https://www.sudbury.com/national/mark-n ... on-1445408

[Pete Podoski]

What a *bleep*.


For the record the PM left the House of Commons just before Lisa Raitt brought this motion that had been discussed between the parties.

Trudeau has personally apologized in the House for incidents that took place before Confederation, but wouldn't stay for this symbolic apology to Admiral Norman.

[Catsumi]

The endless tearful apologies for past wrongs appears to have dried up when it comes down to his own egregious actions against an innocent man.

Turn your back, you slinking, slippery coward. We WILL remember this on

ELECTION DAY !!

[floppi]

You know bloody well that the Liberals would never have apologized.


Mark Norman gets House of Commons apology for impact of failed prosecution

OTTAWA — The House of Commons is apologizing to Vice-Admiral Mark Norman for what he had to endure while facing criminal breach-of-trust charges.

Conservative MP Lisa Raitt got unanimous consent for the statement of regret shortly after question period today.

Norman was second-in-command of the Canadian military when he was charged in 2018 in connection with the alleged leak of secrets to a Quebec shipyard.

The case against him collapsed a week ago when prosecutors said they'd received new information from the defence that put Norman's actions in a new light.

The military is trying to find a place for him again, since his job as vice-chief of the defence staff was filled while he was suspended from duty.

With Raitt's motion, the House of Commons recognized Norman's years of loyal service to Canada.

https://www.sudbury.com/national/mark-n ... on-1445408

Hmmmm.....if there is an odor to this case, I would have to say it's coming from the CONs. This is just another example of turds being laid by the previous administration that's now been passed on to JT and crew.

Quoting from RCMP witness transcripts (which have not been tested in court or entered into evidence), Mainville laid out how the Harper government dismissed objections from bureaucrats who opposed the proposal and set up an "alternative" process to deliver the ship.

That process — extraordinarily — bypassed the then-chief of defence staff and involved the Harper Prime Minister's Office dealing directly with Norman and the navy.

It also involved changing regulations on sole-source contracts just before the last election.

Mainville says the Conservatives put the admiral under the gun.

"We have reason to believe they believed he was not doing enough to push this through," she said......

While he was prime minister, Stephen Harper's office asked Norman to draw up a procurement list of equipment the navy needed.

It also routinely communicated directly with Norman about the plan to lease a supply ship, Mainville said.

Then-defence minister Jason Kenney also asked Norman for his opinion on how to get it done, Mainville alleged........

Those direct discussions with Norman took place over the objections and advice of senior bureaucrats — including then-chief of the defence staff Tom Lawson, who in the spring of 2015 recommended the cabinet not proceed with the Davie deal.

The Conservatives ignored that advice and insisted the leasing deal move forward.

Mainville also said that, at the same time, the Harper government "was talking to (the) Davie" shipyard in the run-up to the signing of the contract.

Mainville quoted from an RCMP interview with Mellisa Burke, a senior Privy Council Office staffer.

She argued the direct communication between the Prime Minister's Office and Norman contradicts the Crown's claim that Norman was working to undermine the federal cabinet and was leaking information to both Davie and the media to get his own way.........

"The point we want to make here is that there were communications between Vice Admiral Norman and the Prime Minister's Office," Mainville said. "And it's not a situation where Vice Admiral Norman had gone rogue."

So why didn't the RCMP have these vital documents from Kenney and Harper's PMO's office? It wasn't like JT and the crew knew the side deals and "end arounds" Harper took were common knowledge to the Liberals. Those documents belong to the CONs and Harper.

Last month, Norman’s lawyers gave the court a list of records they say are needed to ensure their client receives a fair trial, even as they accused the government of having “cherry-picked” the disclosure of information.

The Opposition Conservatives subsequently picked up on the demand for more information by repeatedly calling on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to provide the documents, which government lawyers have said includes about 135,000 files.

But many of the records that Norman’s lawyers requested — including many deemed cabinet secrets or “confidences” — were created while Harper was prime minister, and federal officials say he is the only one who can authorize their release.........

In a document filed with the court, Paul Shuttle an adviser to the clerk of the Privy Council, the government’s top bureaucrat, stated: “For documents from the Harper ministry, PM Harper would have to approve of their disclosure.” The Privy Council Office reiterated that position in an email to The Canadian Press this week.

While the disclosure of evidence is a key tenet of Canada’s legal system, and courts can normally compel the release of such information, the Canada Evidence Act lets the government refuse requests for cabinet confidences. Usually prepared for ministers to aid government deliberations and decision-making, documents marked as cabinet confidences hold closely guarded political secrets and are legally protected from unauthorized release.

Because of their extremely sensitive nature and the potential for using them as political weapons, cabinet confidences are not passed from one government to another. Rather, those produced by previous governments are held under lock and key by the clerk of the Privy Council.

“A government, by convention, can only authorize disclosure of its own cabinet confidences,” said University of Ottawa professor Yan Campagnolo, who has studied the rules around cabinet secrecy.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-n ... -1.4944461

https://ckpgtoday.ca/2018/11/30/harpers ... rman-case/

So why did Kenney and the CONs wait so long to bring out the critical documents Norman needed for his reinstatement? Afterall, it was only Harper and Kenney that could release these critical documents. Sure seems to me like JT and the Libs were set up by the CONs.

Though, CTV News has confirmed that the charge being stayed may in part have been “because of” members of the previous Conservative government.

Both new Alberta premier and former Harper-era defence minister Jason Kenney and former justice minister Peter MacKay assisted the defence in this case. The two former cabinet ministers spoke at length to Henein about their interactions with Norman and the view in the government at the time about the naval contract........

It is not known what role their participation played, but whatever this secret additional evidence was, called into question whether or not the Crown could prove their case, federal prosecutor Barbara Mercier said on Wednesday.

“This was a very complex case… I cannot get into the specifics of that information. The defence council gave it to us under certain conditions, for our purposes only, but I will say that absorbing it, comparing it to investigative materials, we came to that conclusion that there’s no reasonable prospect of conviction,” Mercier said, adding that the prosecution didn’t have the full information until very recently, prompting this outcome.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds-ac ... d%3D375756

The way I see it, Kenney, MacKay and Harper withheld the critical documents Norman needed to exonerate himself. So now let me see if I can put this together. It was the CONs that that told Norman to do an end around on the supply ship procurement bypassing all the normal channels. It was also the CONs that had the vital information which they controlled as to who saw them. So now they release these documents to clear Norman and it's them that are calling for an apology from the Libs for the Norman mess......give me a break . CONservative hypocrisy at it's finest.

[Pete Podoski]

Justin's actions would make a maggot wretch.

The guy should be committed to the psych ward. He's totally lost his marbles. Just look at his crazed expression - that's not a man in control of his faculties.


LILLEY: Trudeau blames Harper for Vice-Admiral Norman charges

Published:
May 14, 2019



For a man that has apologized more than many Canadians would like him to, Justin Trudeau had a hard time saying sorry to Vice-Admiral Mark Norman on Tuesday.

Trudeau refused to apologize when asked directly to do so by Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer.

“Will the prime minister now make the only appropriate decision and apologize to Mark Norman?” Scheer asked.

Trudeau’s response was to blame Stephen Harper for awarding the contract in the first place.

Never mind that it was Trudeau’s government that coached witnesses, withheld documents, stopped Vice-Admiral Norman from accessing his own emails while Gerry Butts could do so to reply to allegations on the SNC-Lavalin scandal.

Scheer not only pointed out that double standard but also asked why the PM caved so quickly to give Omar Khadr $10.5 million when he was suing the government but was willing to spend untold millions prosecuting Norman on an issue it turns out he could never win on but as NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said, helped Trudeau’s rich friends.

“Will the prime minister now apologize to Mark Norman?” Singh asked.

Yet Trudeau claimed that the NDP was doing nothing more than jumping on the Conservative bandwagon by asking the question.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... an-charges

[The Green Barbarian]

Trudeau’s response was to blame Stephen Harper for awarding the contract in the first place.

[jimmy4321]

Sounds to me like a well laid out pre election prefab scandal from the Cons , they probably thought they could ride this one into the campaign.
Very very few Canadians know anything about this subject, now the Cons need to battle for Canadians attention over summer, back to school loL
VERY inside baseball type of stuff.

[jimmy4321]

I know quite a few lifelong Conservatives and honestly they're pretty normal people lol

I just wonder sometimes who a few of the regular CastaCons on this board are playing up to?

There is NO Conservatives that I know that would take any joy in the images or terminology used by these CastaCons, in fact you'd probably alienate most or at least make them cringe, not at the subject matter but at these Cons posters.
So ya just poppin wheelies & doin doughnuts for your fellow CastaCons? Or are you actually think you're getting somewhere?

[The Green Barbarian]

Sounds to me like a well laid out pre election prefab scandal from the Cons , .

No it's general stupidity that we've come to expect from the LIEberals, and their lying, brain-dead leader, Little Potato.

[The Green Barbarian]

Little Potato getting roasted again. Man is this JT clown just such a giant embarrassment.

[blueliner]

So you show pics, those CastaCons were all over this lady for defending Ghomeshi.

Which Ghomeshi? This one?

Well Jimmy 4321 looks like we already have a women PM

[Catsumi]

Sorry, just CANNOT watch this self-serving, slimeball give his explanations as to WHY he cannot apologize. 30 seconds in, I feel ill just trying to listen to this greaser ....sorry. I need another roadtrip to block this horrible abomination we have presently sitting as PM of our country,

[floppi]

No wonder your ill, as they are going after the wrong person and party in asking for the apologies. It should be the PM that started all of this by taking shortcuts and bypassing the system. Then the blame for the delay in releasing the proper cabinet level documentation to clear Norman was the former dictator, Harper as he was the ONLY PERSON that could release those documents. Thirdly, the other peeps that should apologize is MacKay and Kenney for taking their sweet time about coming forward to the RCMP to right the ship, so to speak. This is exactly like the pipeline *bleep* Harper laid that JT and the Libs is having to clean up. One just have to replace pipeline with supply ship. They're mess still continues to affect Canada to this day. Canadians would be crazy and not thinking properly to vote the CONs back in again after all the mess they left behind just 3 and a half years ago.