Rise of white supremacism

[Gilchy]

When the specifically answer their own question in the affirmative in the article, harder to argue against it.

[Terris]

Right, click on the Gatestone link only to find see they are a proponent of the White Genocide theory. Pretty safe to disregard.

Thanks for this reply.

A crystal clear example of how the Liberal, apologist, appeasement process starts and how they skew and insert their preferred truths into the actual facts, and how immediately this process begins...

Awesome!!!

I didn't find the word "genocide" anywhere in the article... just sayin'

Careful, lest the PC Huns mark you down for re-education despite the clear historic evidence that previous invaders did, indeed, practice what would now be called genocide for any race, other than Caucasians...

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/ ... ghis-khan/

[Glacier]

When the specifically answer their own question in the affirmative in the article, harder to argue against it.

Claiming that white people are declining as a percentage of the population is a scientific fact though. Not sure what's wrong with that, but some people think skin colour matters. I disagree; ideas matter.

[Calston2000]

I am frankly more than a little disgusted with these forums right now. In one thread, we have someone arguing that women were happy when they knew their place and were revered by men, and in this thread, we actually have locals defending white supremacist mantras and themes. Be better than that. Good Lord.

The aforementioned 14 words are based around the idea of "white genocide", or the Great Replacement that Averagejoe is always espousing. This theory proposes that white people are being systematically replaced, and are under real and imminent threat of disappearing or being replaced. This is obviously false.

Calston, you strike me as a person who genuinely wonders why white people aren't allowed to say the "N-word" if black people are. Anyone quoting the 14 words is deliberately not trying to create equality. Let me provide a simple explanation between the difference between White Power and Black Power.

White Power is (usually) hateful because it is rooted in dominance. White power was the default status of most of the world for the last 400 years, throughout the entire colonial imperialism period. Africa, the Middle East, India, much of Asia, North America and South America were controlled by European powers, and the native populations were subjects of the Europeans. White was literally in power and control. The phrase White Power today is a yearning for the re-establishment of white dominance, not equality. It is literally an expression of the belief that White people's role should be "in charge", at the expense of others.

Black Power is (usually) a rallying cry to raise up, not put down. You usually hear the phrase in reference to the black experience in the USA, where black people, both historically and continuously, have had a status of "less than". Black Power is a desire to achieve power, rather than dominate. Obviously, there are extreme examples (Nation of Islam, Black Panthers, etc), these groups would qualify as hate groups, that is widely acknowledged.

I believe that a lot of the issue for the average White person is that they hear the term "white privilege", and are told that they have advantages that other groups do not, but do not feel it at the individual level. "I've had to work for everything I have / no one has ever given me anything". Sentiments like that. And while that may be true, there are integrated underlying societal forces that they benefit from, even if they don't see it.

The average white person isn't randomly pulled over at nearly the same proportional rate as visible minorities, they aren't viewed as inherently suspicious when walking down the street, or perusing a store. Their resumes aren't ignored due to funny sounding names. White parents don't need to have "the talk", where they have to explicitly explain to their kids what to do if pulled aside by a police officer, and how to act, for fear of the results. They can disrupt traffic all the way across the country in a mass protest convey without being told they are being unpatriotic, whereas black people are derided for kneeling.

No matter how you want to dismiss or ignore it, context matters. History matters.

you sure rant like a child when you are wrong hey?

[floppi]

Have you considered you might be wrong? Just saying.....

[Gilchy]

you sure rant like a child when you are wrong hey?

Nice factual retort.

[Nedroj]

I am frankly more than a little disgusted with these forums right now. In one thread, we have someone arguing that women were happy when they knew their place and were revered by men, and in this thread, we actually have locals defending white supremacist mantras and themes. Be better than that. Good Lord.

No ONE is defending actual legit "White Supremacists" or "White Supremacism" at all. I think what some people are saying is the "White Supremacists" today are no different than any other extremist hate group and are few and far between. and just because someone may wear a MAGA hat, be conservative, be christian, and have different opinions that may lean to the right AND have white skin doesnt mean they are a "White Supremacists" "Nazi" or a "Fascists" as many people like to call them. This is the problem we have with people using these words all willy nilly. They have lost all its meaning when a orthodox jew is called a nazi or a gay is called a fascists.

The aforementioned 14 words are based around the idea of "white genocide", or the Great Replacement that Averagejoe is always espousing. This theory proposes that white people are being systematically replaced, and are under real and imminent threat of disappearing or being replaced. This is obviously false.

Calston, you strike me as a person who genuinely wonders why white people aren't allowed to say the "N-word" if black people are. Anyone quoting the 14 words is deliberately not trying to create equality. Let me provide a simple explanation between the difference between White Power and Black Power.

I've never heard of this "14 word" quote before today but after reading it I do agree "white" people are not under threat of being wiped from the earth. But we are under threat of being punished over and over again for what a small fraction of our ancestors did in the past. Nothing we can do to change History, and in my opinion a son or daughter should not be held accountable for the crimes of their parents.

White Power is (usually) hateful because it is rooted in dominance. White power was the default status of most of the world for the last 400 years, throughout the entire colonial imperialism period. Africa, the Middle East, India, much of Asia, North America and South America were controlled by European powers, and the native populations were subjects of the Europeans. White was literally in power and control. The phrase White Power today is a yearning for the re-establishment of white dominance, not equality. It is literally an expression of the belief that White people's role should be "in charge", at the expense of others.

Except what about the Spanish? they're not white and were ONE of the top powers in the colonial days only rivaling England. They expanded their territories in the same manner. What do you think the spanish did the native central americans when they invaded?
Lets go back further in history to Ghangis Khan, He wasn't white and at the time had more territory under his rule than any other empire ever.
Muhammed spread Islam mainly by the sword killing thousands. He wasnt white and yet held great power.


Black Power is (usually) a rallying cry to raise up, not put down. You usually hear the phrase in reference to the black experience in the USA, where black people, both historically and continuously, have had a status of "less than". Black Power is a desire to achieve power, rather than dominate. Obviously, there are extreme examples (Nation of Islam, Black Panthers, etc), these groups would qualify as hate groups, that is widely acknowledged.

Yes Black Power was a rallying cry and fight for equality. The key word "WAS" That battle is over and has been for years. We have achieved equality of opportunity for all whom are citizens of north america.

I believe that a lot of the issue for the average White person is that they hear the term "white privilege", and are told that they have advantages that other groups do not, but do not feel it at the individual level. "I've had to work for everything I have / no one has ever given me anything". Sentiments like that. And while that may be true, there are integrated underlying societal forces that they benefit from, even if they don't see it.

The average white person isn't randomly pulled over at nearly the same proportional rate as visible minorities, they aren't viewed as inherently suspicious when walking down the street, or perusing a store. Their resumes aren't ignored due to funny sounding names. White parents don't need to have "the talk", where they have to explicitly explain to their kids what to do if pulled aside by a police officer, and how to act, for fear of the results. They can disrupt traffic all the way across the country in a mass protest convey without being told they are being unpatriotic, whereas black people are derided for kneeling.

Let me ask you this In Canada, In Kelowna how many people do you know that have had unpleasant interactions with the RCMP, Boarder Agent, TS agent or Bylaw? I sure have. Being pulled over for no reason other than driving a nice car downtown kelowna after 10pm. Being randomly stripped searched in Vegas airport after stating i was there for a bachelor party, "interviewed" by Mexican boarder authorities with armed (AK47's) guards behind me. None of that was because of my skin color yet some people COULD claim it was if I were a black person. There wouldnt be much the agent could do about me calling them out as being racists as the onus would be on them to prove otherwise.
Are there individual instances of racism? sure no one can refute that, but not systemic ones.

The issue people have with the term "White Privilege" is this; Its not true anymore. Humans work at different intellectual levels, achieve different goals, value different things, have different interests and a wide degree of work ethic.
If North american society was in fact favoring white people on a systemic level then why are all Asian people leading almost every category? Maybe perhaps its because they are extremely hard working, dedicated, loyal and highly educated. All things that would make anyone successful no matter what their skin color is.

Does a Chinese person living in China have "Yellow Privilege" over a Caucasian living in China? If you use the SAME criteria that shows WHITE privilege in north america then the answer is yes. And there is nothing controversial about that.

The same goes for most countries even comparing predominantly "White" Countries. Each Country has created a system that targets and helps IT'S population. Canada is a good example of where we have English and French speaking people. We have laws in place that help both languages. Why dont we have the same law for every other language spoken in Canada?

Further on that point North America was founded on Christian/Jewish beliefs And the people that came here were basically peasants that built a hierarchy of competence because back in Europe at the time the Hierarchy was based on your family name. If you were born a lord you'd die a lord even if you're a complete moron. If you were born a peasant you'd die a peasant even if you're a genius. There was no room for movement between the classes. Our ancestors changed that and it has done nothing but good for everyone.

Luck has something to do with a persons success as we all know but how can the government or even you regulate "luck" to the point where it brings about quality of outcome? You can't its impossible. Equality of outcome cannot be achieved when humans are completely independent, unique and are allowed to pursue any desire they might have. The proof is in the Scandinavian countries where they are the most egalitarian governments to date, yet the differences between people are the same if not more than in North America. (more women go into nursing, more men go into STEM. as an example)



No matter how you want to dismiss or ignore it, context matters. History matters.

Context does matter as much as History does. And the truth is there isnt a single group of people in north america that hasnt been on the receiving end of some sort of unjust persecution. That's why we are all here now. Life was hard for everyone back then and still is hard for most now.

[Calston2000]

you sure rant like a child when you are wrong hey?

Nice factual retort.

Thank you!
I thought so.
I appreciate your honesty.

btw, your meme skills are seriously woke!

[csm]

Yawn. Anyone heard of this guy. Or the order ?

The fact that someone literally quoted him and his 14 words quote on this very thread might be a good indication that people have heard of him and follow him.

People follow people of notoriety ( or even presumed notoriety) - just the way it is, Just look how many blind idiots still follow Trudeau.

[Mordu]

CTV

(YouTube) "It's up to the resident to take down the flags, as it's an issue of free speech."

WT . . .?



CBC

He lived through a Nazi invasion. 79 years later, he saw a 'disgusting' Nazi flag go up in his Sask. Village

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatche ... -1.5141439

<snip>

Not much more than a day after de Gooijer saw the flag, it was gone. A man from outside the community claimed credit on social media for taking the flags down, posting a widely viewed video of the Nazi flag burning.

<snip>

De Gooijer couldn't believe it when he heard that police said it was not illegal to fly the flag. After looking it up, he saw the Criminal Code prohibits willful promotion of hatred. To him, the Nazi flag is that and more.
Why have Remembrance Day and say, 'Lest we forget'? he asked.
"At the same time, we allow those flags up. That's impossible."


<snip>


The family are well-regarded in the community, but residents believe that the grandson is troubled. He's described as someone who needs help. Multiple attempts by CBC to speak to the family were unsuccessful.

<snip>

Back to YouTube


“Stop racism t’a’int cool.”




Now, I 'spose "Caleb's" gonna get arrested.

[Mordu]

Okay, so hoisting those flags probably falls under ‘freedom of expression’, and burning them is probably the same, but then there’s theft . . ..

Poor Mr. and Mrs. de Gooijer and the rest of the town who don't support the 'supremacist' values.

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A little more in-depth this morning.


First Nations vs. the KKK (or vice-versa, if you like) and the Mounties are investigating the flag burning: possibly by a First Nations man.

"How a Nazi flag became a burning symbol of the racial divide in a tiny Saskatchewan town"

http://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2019/05 ... -town.html


"It's this no-brainer kid — 34 years old and never grew up (who may have raised the flag on what looks to be a radio tower behind the home)"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatche ... -1.5132354


Caleb Beaudin on burning the flag.

"'I’m not scared to get charged I have all of Canada and some people from the states standing behind me,” Beaudin wrote on Facebook.

Some questioned whether the flags in the video were really the ones seen in LaPlante’s photos, while others took to Facebook to praise Beaudin for the act.

“You’re a hero. Thank you!” commented one woman. “Good on you!” wrote another."

https://leaderpost.com/news/local-news/ ... n-kelliher

[Omnitheo]

Randomly on the street in Edmonton the other day, some guy rode by me on his bike giving a Nazi salute and shouted at me “Sieg Hail. F*** the Jews, we don’t want them”

[Gone_Fishin]

Randomly on the street in Edmonton the other day, some guy rode by me on his bike giving a Nazi salute and shouted at me “Sieg Hail. F*** the Jews, we don’t want them”

Well, Edmonton is the most left-leaning section of the whole province, so no one should be surprised by rampant racism and extremist socialism from those crazy lefties. Disgusted, for sure, surprised, not really.

[Omnitheo]

Randomly on the street in Edmonton the other day, some guy rode by me on his bike giving a Nazi salute and shouted at me “Sieg Hail. F*** the Jews, we don’t want them”

Well, Edmonton is the most left-leaning section of the whole province, so no one should be surprised by rampant racism and extremist socialism from those crazy lefties. Disgusted, for sure, surprised, not really.

How you would link those things together is beyond me. But a system that favours helping the people generally isn’t made up of those wanting to discriminate against said people.

[BCPickles]

This is another in a long list of false debates as the terms aren't even being defined.

Some of the things I see called or ascribed to "white supremacy" are ludicrous in the extreme and the assertions themselves are often exceedingly prejudiced and/or racist themselves.