All Things Trudeau, Chapter 2

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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 8:13 pm ..too dumb to figure out zoom?
That's reserved for Liberal MP's who wag Mr Johnson in front of the camera not once, but twice.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 8:16 pm That's reserved for Liberal MP's who wag Mr Johnson in front of the camera not once, but twice.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 8:13 pm Now just think of the taxpayer $$$ saved by not having MPs "commuting" back and forth to their ridings. They can stay here, and actually do something for their constituents instead of racking up per diems in Ottawa and huge travel costs. Is THAT what CPC MPs are upset about? Being asked to keep their CPC snouts out of the trough??
Imagine how much money could be saved if we just closed down the parliament buildings. If they are staying home anyway, they don't need to have a huge outlay of taxpayer funds to keep heating, staffing, etc. all the empty buildings. Maybe they could sell them to some Liberal insider to use for a taxpayer funded business or maybe return it to the natives who they always reference as being the holders of that land. I think we are on to something here. Any other cost saving ideas?
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Catri wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 2:34 pm
Yeah, you didn't address the concerns of the CPC partisans who hate Trudeau with the fire of a thousand suns and will basically hate everything he does and whinge about everything he doesn't do. It's futile to hit that group with actual facts, their partisanship will not allow them to see sense.
You seem to forget, or deliberately fail to acknowledge, that there’s literally tens of thousands of Canadians that hate Trudeau with the fire of a thousand suns that aren’t CPC partisans in any way shape or form, many are disappointed and disillusioned Liberals, Dippers, Greens, BQ, or those with zero part affiliation… Some of whom post anti-Trudeau thoughts and opinions right here on this forum.. I guess it’s just easier for shallow thinkers to simply pigeon-hole everyone that speaks unkind words about the Trudeau Liberals as being CPC partisans.
Catri wrote: Nov 30th, 2021, 2:34 pm
It's pretty hilarious to see CPC supporters insisting that there's something inherently evil about being wealthy.
I don’t believe anybody ever said that. But, intelligent people from every political persuasion and every walk of life fully understand that there’s a vast difference between the wealthy that earned their wealth through hard work and intelligence, and those that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and a trust fund. The former understand the value of their hard earned wealth, the latter cluelessly thinks their money simply grows on trees.
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Justin's pipeline in the middle of a multi-million dollar scandal.

Quelle surprise.

https://energeticcity.ca/2021/11/30/alb ... -tmx-camps
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 1st, 2021, 9:04 am Justin's pipeline in the middle of a multi-million dollar scandal.

Quelle surprise.

https://energeticcity.ca/2021/11/30/alb ... -tmx-camps
Actually if you read the article, the problem isn't with the TMX contract, it is with how the Alberta Utilities Commission regulates being in conflict with reconciliation efforts and ATCO trying to stick Alberta electricity consumers with unrelated costs.

The first part is a Jason Kenney problem (but an understandable one given the changing landscape) , the second part is an ATCO problem and is unrelated to the TMX other than it is there where the costs were incurred.

BC first nations do get some soul source contracts in BC precisely from the perspective of providing economic options and building economic capacity within FNs. That's fine, and as it should be as we try to balance out a fair shake for them. That ATCO tried to transfer that onto bills for Alberta utility customers is the problem.

That his zero to do with Trudeau, and just shows how ridiculous the Trudeau bashers can be.
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hobbyguy wrote: Dec 1st, 2021, 9:47 am
Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 1st, 2021, 9:04 am Justin's pipeline in the middle of a multi-million dollar scandal.

Quelle surprise.

https://energeticcity.ca/2021/11/30/alb ... -tmx-camps
Actually if you read the article, the problem isn't with the TMX contract, it is with how the Alberta Utilities Commission regulates being in conflict with reconciliation efforts and ATCO trying to stick Alberta electricity consumers with unrelated costs.

The first part is a Jason Kenney problem (but an understandable one given the changing landscape) , the second part is an ATCO problem and is unrelated to the TMX other than it is there where the costs were incurred.

BC first nations do get some soul source contracts in BC precisely from the perspective of providing economic options and building economic capacity within FNs. That's fine, and as it should be as we try to balance out a fair shake for them. That ATCO tried to transfer that onto bills for Alberta utility customers is the problem.

That his zero to do with Trudeau, and just shows how ridiculous the Trudeau bashers can be.
Trudeau has culpability stuck to him like white on Rice with yet another scandal involving the public's money.
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Hurtlander wrote: Dec 1st, 2021, 6:41 am
You seem to forget, or deliberately fail to acknowledge, that there’s literally tens of thousands of Canadians that hate Trudeau with the fire of a thousand suns that aren’t CPC partisans in any way shape or form, many are disappointed and disillusioned Liberals, Dippers, Greens, BQ, or those with zero part affiliation… Some of whom post anti-Trudeau thoughts and opinions right here on this forum.. I guess it’s just easier for shallow thinkers to simply pigeon-hole everyone that speaks unkind words about the Trudeau Liberals as being CPC partisans.

I don’t believe anybody ever said that. But, intelligent people from every political persuasion and every walk of life fully understand that there’s a vast difference between the wealthy that earned their wealth through hard work and intelligence, and those that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and a trust fund. The former understand the value of their hard earned wealth, the latter cluelessly thinks their money simply grows on trees.
Show me the "literally tens of thousands of Canadians that hate Trudeau...that aren't CPC partisans". I've said this on these boards before, but it bears repeating, I don't actually like Trudeau, I consider him to be a weak leader (although I see some signs of improvement in that dept), but I don't hate him. There is a vast difference between not liking him and actually hating him, I have never seen the kind of ferocious vitriol and venom that regularly pops up here from anyone who isn't a right-wing partisan.

As for wealth, your generalization that people who inherit wealth think money grows on trees is unfounded and pretty biased. In fact, many wealthy people work hard and use their intelligence and education to grow their fortunes. Very few individuals pull themselves up from the depths of poverty to the heights of fortune by their wits and work ethic, although it's a handy narrative if you want to reinforce the idea that the poor are poor because they're doing something wrong, most wealthy people start from comfortable backgrounds.
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Catri wrote: Dec 1st, 2021, 12:53 pm most wealthy people start from comfortable backgrounds.
Like trust fund boy Justin, whose family fortune comes from PetroCan's purchase of Petrofina shares for an artificially high price, a direct order from Pierre Trudeau. The Trudeau family was heavily invested in Petrofina, and pocketed untold millions in that swindle. Pierre Trudeau did this with taxpayers' money to start PetroCan.

Ah, the greasy ways of the Trudeau family's ill-gotten wealth. Regular people would be thrown in jail for such malfeasance.

And the TMX? I'd bet on there being multiple scandals involving our money going to Trudeau's wealthy friends on that boondoggle.


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Catri wrote: Dec 1st, 2021, 12:53 pm
Hurtlander wrote: Dec 1st, 2021, 6:41 am
You seem to forget, or deliberately fail to acknowledge, that there’s literally tens of thousands of Canadians that hate Trudeau with the fire of a thousand suns that aren’t CPC partisans in any way shape or form, many are disappointed and disillusioned Liberals, Dippers, Greens, BQ, or those with zero part affiliation… Some of whom post anti-Trudeau thoughts and opinions right here on this forum.. I guess it’s just easier for shallow thinkers to simply pigeon-hole everyone that speaks unkind words about the Trudeau Liberals as being CPC partisans.

I don’t believe anybody ever said that. But, intelligent people from every political persuasion and every walk of life fully understand that there’s a vast difference between the wealthy that earned their wealth through hard work and intelligence, and those that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and a trust fund. The former understand the value of their hard earned wealth, the latter cluelessly thinks their money simply grows on trees.
Show me the "literally tens of thousands of Canadians that hate Trudeau...that aren't CPC partisans". I've said this on these boards before, but it bears repeating, I don't actually like Trudeau, I consider him to be a weak leader (although I see some signs of improvement in that dept), but I don't hate him.
Same here. Although when I've criticized him, I've been accused of hating him.
Catri wrote:There is a vast difference between not liking him and actually hating him, I have never seen the kind of ferocious vitriol and venom that regularly pops up here from anyone who isn't a right-wing partisan.
There's also a measure of nastiness directed at people who simply think Trudeau should be held accountable.
Catri wrote:As for wealth, your generalization that people who inherit wealth think money grows on trees is unfounded and pretty biased. In fact, many wealthy people work hard and use their intelligence and education to grow their fortunes.
I agree with you here, too. However, Trudeau obviously isn't among these people who work hard and use their intelligence and education to grow their fortunes. Worse, because he has no clue about how budgets work and how inflation hurts people, he's causing a lot of harm by being in charge of something he doesn't truly have the capacity to understand.
Catri wrote:Very few individuals pull themselves up from the depths of poverty to the heights of fortune by their wits and work ethic, although it's a handy narrative if you want to reinforce the idea that the poor are poor because they're doing something wrong, most wealthy people start from comfortable backgrounds.
Now you're generalizing inappropriately. All of us know people who have pulled themselves up, all of us know people who have squandered.

Trudeau has no real experience with the problems of the middle classes, and as PM he has done plenty to make life more difficult for all of us. There's no guarantee someone with real experience with the problems of the middle classes would make less of a hash of it than he has done, but there's also no point pretending he is capable of genuinely understanding the damage he does.
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Now, if they were an Ultimate Frisbee Team, Coach Trudeau would be far more cooperative.
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Sabrina Maddeaux with another brilliant article. Liberal shills to apologize on Justin's behalf and somehow blame Harper and the author of the article for this CPP debacle coming in in 4...3...2...1...
Sabrina Maddeaux: Thanks to Trudeau Liberals, working Canadians will pay too much into CPP

The cost of… well, basically, everything seems to be soaring, and now many Canadians can subtract one more price increase from their bank balances. The Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) announced, last month, new maximum pensionable earnings for 2022. While small increases are typically expected, next year’s cap will jump a rather shocking 5.3 per cent to $64,900 from $61,600 in 2021. This is the fastest rate of increase in 30 years.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... d=msedgntp
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 2nd, 2021, 1:16 pm Sabrina Maddeaux with another brilliant article. Liberal shills to apologize on Justin's behalf and somehow blame Harper and the author of the article for this CPP debacle coming in in 4...3...2...1...
Sabrina Maddeaux: Thanks to Trudeau Liberals, working Canadians will pay too much into CPP

The cost of… well, basically, everything seems to be soaring, and now many Canadians can subtract one more price increase from their bank balances. The Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) announced, last month, new maximum pensionable earnings for 2022. While small increases are typically expected, next year’s cap will jump a rather shocking 5.3 per cent to $64,900 from $61,600 in 2021. This is the fastest rate of increase in 30 years.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... d=msedgntp
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 2nd, 2021, 1:36 pm
Don't worry, the money is going to Tiny Tim.

Well, maybe that should cause extreme worry.
Parachuting costs a lot of money these days apparently.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 2nd, 2021, 1:16 pm Sabrina Maddeaux with another brilliant article. Liberal shills to apologize on Justin's behalf and somehow blame Harper and the author of the article for this CPP debacle coming in in 4...3...2...1...
Sabrina Maddeaux: Thanks to Trudeau Liberals, working Canadians will pay too much into CPP

The cost of… well, basically, everything seems to be soaring, and now many Canadians can subtract one more price increase from their bank balances. The Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) announced, last month, new maximum pensionable earnings for 2022. While small increases are typically expected, next year’s cap will jump a rather shocking 5.3 per cent to $64,900 from $61,600 in 2021. This is the fastest rate of increase in 30 years.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... d=msedgntp
Half truths and hyperbole from a short sighted person in a higher income category.

E.g. the $500 pension increase she alludes to is ONLY for seniors over 75, which will is overwhelmingly for women and completely necessary.

Yup, we know Conservatives don't like seniors, when in power they attacked the retirement age, pensions in general. The "all for me none for you" crowd hates government pension plans - because? They generally hate government to start with. Yet the reality is that for 60-70% of Canadians OAS and CPP are critical to their retirement incomes, especially as they are indexed to the CPI. For that 60-70% those governemnt pensions are NOT 1/3 of their retirement income, more like 60-100%.

Sabrina is being ageist and elitist and silly with her arguments. It is really simple for anyone with half a brain: IF you are lucky enough to to have the income for RRSP contribution and/or are making enough for your retirement, then simply deduct the increase in CPP from that total, and shift your portfolio to a slightly higher risk profile. In other words, make CPP part of the low risk small c conservative part of part of your portfolio. So if you were contributing $500 per month to RRSPs and planned on a 60/40 portfolio mix, then drop that to $350 and shift to a 70/30 portfolio mix. Easy peasy. End result: better as your retirement income will have a a larger defined portion that is CPI indexed, AND not one cent out of your pocket!!

But I guess that's far too much math the simplistic anti-government Conservatives like Sabrina.

Trudeau and the Liberals have done the right thing by improving CPP, but elitist right wingers just don't get it.
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