All Things Trudeau, Chapter 2

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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 7:39 pmBecause it was a stupid decision to waste $600 million, made by truly stupid and evil people.
How so? Conservatives didn't convince anyone in the country they were fit to lead. The NDP had to blow a wad of cash in an election. The green party is on life support. And the Bloc is mad they didn't do better in Quebec. All in all that was a great investment for Canada. Trudeau can run this election to the finish - and will have the same 10-year term as heil harper had. Not bad for a guy who allegedly "wasn't ready". And - I don't see conservatives winning anytime in the near future. They are so out of touch that it's comical. They are all just paying a 10 dollar doc note claiming exemption from masks like losers.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 7:10 pm Why were people even questioning if there was an election? People make it seem like it was illegal or something. Are there rules about when an election is called? Do conservatives feel that it is only ok for them to call a snap election - and not the Liberals? For a federal party that only answers 5 questions, and leaves the house in creative ways to dodge journalists, who do they think they are questioning the Trudeau Liberals about a called election?

If it is under the guise of accountability, then I cant take conservatives seriously. One - Under Harper conservatives, there were always a ton of unanswered questions. 2 - Scheer didn't feel it was necessary to tell Canadians that he was a dual citizen - which is kinda important to know. 3 - Otool was in a studio and spoke to Canadians in a homogenous cocoon of conservative subterfuge. Rather than be out among Canadians shaking hands with people or the CBC.

If it's about money - then again - I can't take conservatives seriously. One - the conservatives were prolific spenders themselves. And prorogued/omnibussed budgets rather than putting them up for discussion. 2 - Conservatives lavished Alberta oil companies with so many pork-barrel subsidies that it was astonishing. 3 - Let's not forget that an insignificant gazebo cost an absurd amount for making the drive to a g20 event (by bulletproof limos and world leaders) look quaint and pretty.

At the end of the day, Canadians spoke and a "majority" of seats for various parties (who can work together) won a mandate from Canadians. If conservatives want to control when elections happen again - the party needs to meet the needs of the voters who feel conservatives had nothing to offer them. The conservative echo chamber base is not what speaks for ALL Canadians. It is as much a self-serving echo chamber faction as the Bloc is.
Total waste of 600 million taxpayers dollars to have election that didn’t change much in the House of Commons.
Trudeau still has minority government.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:39 pm They are so out of touch that it's comical. They are all just paying a 10 dollar doc note claiming exemption from masks like losers.
Exactly! Those idiot conservatives only won the popular vote but have no idea how to translate that to seats! The liberals know exactly what Canadians want and exactly how to win seats which is way more important than the popular vote, cuz it actually picks who governs!

Don't worry nucksRnum1, the hicks party is dissolving. Those who support abortion, businesses over people, oil companies, the right and racists are complete losers who will fade away.

The true path forward is with global initiatives, equality for citizens and a good economy.

These idiots don't know what they are talking about and shouldn't concern us.
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Sparki55 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:51 pm
nucksRnum1 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:39 pm They are so out of touch that it's comical. They are all just paying a 10 dollar doc note claiming exemption from masks like losers.
Exactly! Those idiot conservatives only won the popular vote but have no idea how to translate that to seats! The liberals know exactly what Canadians want and exactly how to win seats which is way more important than the popular vote, cuz it actually picks who governs!

Don't worry nucksRnum1, the hicks party is dissolving. Those who support abortion, businesses over people, oil companies, the right and racists are complete losers who will fade away.

The true path forward is with global initiatives, equality for citizens and a good economy.

These idiots don't know what they are talking about and shouldn't concern us.
Who cares about the "popular" vote when you have the Popular Trudeau as a leader. Keep up the good work mopping the floor with the hicks who only vote 1 way for 80 years Trudeau!!!
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GordonH wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:44 pm Total waste of 600 million taxpayers dollars to have election that didn’t change much in the House of Commons.
Trudeau still has minority government.
Oh come on much changed. We have a solid government to lead us all the way to 2025 now, without stupid interruptions from the people who want to govern what women can do with their bodies. I hope the liberals are able to finish the student grant program with the WE charity too. Stupid conservatives got in the way and ruined a good initiative.

Just stay out of the way with your backwards policy's. Clearly Canadians voted for what they needed, and that's not more suppression and negativity from the right. Give it a rest.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:54 pm Who cares about the "popular" vote when you have the Popular Trudeau as a leader. Keep up the good work mopping the floor with the hicks who only vote 1 way for 80 years Trudeau!!!
Exactly! You get it :up:

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Sparki55 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:55 pm
GordonH wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:44 pm Total waste of 600 million taxpayers dollars to have election that didn’t change much in the House of Commons.
Trudeau still has minority government.
Oh come on much changed. We have a solid government to lead us all the way to 2025 now, without stupid interruptions from the people who want to govern what women can do with their bodies. I hope the liberals are able to finish the student grant program with the WE charity too. Stupid conservatives got in the way and ruined a good initiative.

Just stay out of the way with your backwards policy's. Clearly Canadians voted for what they needed, and that's not more suppression and negativity from the right. Give it a rest.
A non-confidence motion can still happen.
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GordonH wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:58 pm A non-confidence motion can still happen.
It won't.
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Sparki55 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:55 pm Clearly Canadians voted for what they needed, and that's not more suppression and negativity from the right. Give it a rest.
I might fine tune that just a little: Canadians in the "905 belt" voted for what they wanted. I didn't realize just how many ridings are shoehorned into metro Toronto area. : https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/09/20/ ... s-results/

Now, if the LIbs will start to really pare back the CERB payments and pay attention to inflation, basically get their fiscal house in order, get the military procurement program on track ( it took Finland 6 years to pick a replacement fighter, not like Canada's 15 and still waiting) get the support the veteran's need , stop this useless gun control proclamations, explain exactly what subsidies the oil patch is receiving according to the greenies.
Trudeau should have spent some time in cabinet with a strong leader as Liberal leader/PM before going for top job. However not sure if being an ex drama teacher gives him the chops for any important portfolios other than acting as a PM.
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seewood wrote: Dec 11th, 2021, 7:31 am
Sparki55 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:55 pm Clearly Canadians voted for what they needed, and that's not more suppression and negativity from the right. Give it a rest.
I might fine tune that just a little: Canadians in the "905 belt" voted for what they wanted. I didn't realize just how many ridings are shoehorned into metro Toronto area. : https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/09/20/ ... s-results/

Now, if the LIbs will start to really pare back the CERB payments and pay attention to inflation, basically get their fiscal house in order, get the military procurement program on track ( it took Finland 6 years to pick a replacement fighter, not like Canada's 15 and still waiting) get the support the veteran's need , stop this useless gun control proclamations, explain exactly what subsidies the oil patch is receiving according to the greenies.
Trudeau should have spent some time in cabinet with a strong leader as Liberal leader/PM before going for top job. However not sure if being an ex drama teacher gives him the chops for any important portfolios other than acting as a PM.
Catch 22 - the Liberals were never going to win with "also rans" like Dion and Ignatieff as "leader". So how does one get cabinet experience if never in government?

Trudeau and the Liberals got in because the previous government ignored the desires and needs of the citizenry writ large. Trudeau had name recognition. A controversial name, but name recognition that was the deciding factor. Without that name recognition at the top, the most likely outcome of the 2015 election was an NDP minority and PM Mulcair.

PM Mulcair and the NDP would have been very far from the CPC opposition and things would have been even more polarized.

IF the CPC chose to adopt a constructive criticism approach to opposition, then they there are many areas where they can work with the Liberals, but unfortunately have chosen not to, valuing partisan points politics more than the good of the country. And so we have a polarizing situation, which promotes naked political opportunism and pure political opportunists.

Not saying that the other parties and players like Trudeau, Blanchet, and Singh don't play partisan games, but not to the extent that the CPC have taken it.
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Conrad Black: The Liberals are determined to squander Canada's independence

The editors have invited me to write about the 90th anniversary of the proclamation of the Statute of Westminster on Dec. 11, 1931, which effectively made Canada and other comparable British Empire jurisdictions autonomous of British laws.

The so-called Dominions that were declared to be of equal sovereignty to the United Kingdom were Canada, Australia, what was then known as the Irish Free State and which became the Republic of Ireland, Newfoundland, New Zealand, and South Africa.

These were the founding members of the British Commonwealth of Nations, which eventually became just the Commonwealth of Nations. The word “Commonwealth” was first used in this context in a proposal from the prime minister of the Union of South Africa, Field Marshal Jan Christian Smuts, in 1917, and the comprehensive agitation from most of the governments that were its original members, apart from the Irish, was undoubtedly generated by the more than 1.5 million soldiers and sailors, most of them Canadians and almost all of them volunteers, that were contributed by those countries to the British Empire war effort in the First World War.

Ireland, obviously, was different as it was a province of the United Kingdom and sought its independence for cultural and sectarian reasons aggravated by centuries of abrasions between the Irish and the English, both as occupiers and as Irish residents.

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For about 20 years after the Second World War, Canada was a somewhat self-confident country, a political junior partner of Britain and a commercial branch plant of the United States, “a middle power,” as John Diefenbaker told the United Nations in 1960. The Québec problem preoccupied the country for the balance of the 20th century. Since then we have become somewhat aimless and unconvincing in our nationalism, and under the present government and its “Ministry of Global Affairs,” an apparent adherent to a fantasy of a post-national world. But all options are open and it all officially began with the Statute of Westminster 90 years ago.
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It's so great that Canadians have the Trudeau Liberals working so hard protecting our national interests. Chrystia Freeland and Mary Ng are both so effective in their roles, which proves again that the Liberal are the best party for Canadians and Canada.
Canada threatens U.S. with tariffs, partial suspension of CUSMA over electric vehicle tax credit

Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland has written to top U.S. senators threatening to suspend parts of the CUSMA trade agreement and impose tariffs on American goods unless U.S. officials back away from a proposed tax credit for American-built electric vehicles.

"We are deeply concerned that certain provisions of the electric vehicle tax credits as proposed in the Build Back Better Act violate the United States' obligations under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement," Freeland and International Trade Minister Mary Ng say in the letter.

"The proposal is equivalent to a 34 per cent tariff on Canadian-assembled electric vehicles," the letter says. "The proposal is a significant threat to the Canadian automotive industry and is a de facto abrogation of the USMCA."
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The letter asks senators "not to discriminate against" Canada and to work together to build electric cars in a way that does not undermine the integrated continental carmaking industry.

"We want to be clear that if there is no satisfactory resolution to this matter, Canada will defend its national interests, as we did when we were faced with unjustified tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum," the letter says.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:39 pm

How so? Conservatives didn't convince anyone in the country they were fit to lead.
No party convinced Canadians that they were fit to lead. Especially the Liberals, who without the help of Chinese communists would have taken a massive hit to their seat count. There is no confidence in the parties right now, and it starts with the idiot we have as PM. He is a terrible leader and just plain not very bright.
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Sparki55 wrote: Dec 10th, 2021, 8:55 pm I hope the liberals are able to finish the student grant program with the WE charity too. Stupid conservatives got in the way and ruined a good initiative.
LOL - you almost had me going there... :130:
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