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my5cents wrote: I'm still anxiously awaiting the RCMP to tell the exact story of what happened along with a detailed TRUTHFUL time line. I guess making this display of gross ineptness sound like proven police procedures is taking longer to spin than expected.

This was truly a horrific event, and I think it is pretty clear there were some major bureaucratic failings that will need to be reviewed and addressed. The best thing for the RCMP (IMO) would be to just come clean and acknowledge their failings while assuring us they have learned from them and will respond differently in the future.

As far as gun control goes, I don’t really see what, if anything, the government could introduce that would have had any bearing on the outcome of this unfortunate event. I am all for background checks when someone goes to buy a firearm, but this guy had no criminal record and as far as I know we still have no idea what his motive could have been.
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One could get just about anything on black market or seek out local gangs and bring cash.
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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/n ... d=msedgdhp

Attacks girlfriend at a party, then brings her home and ties her up, she runs away, so guy goes back to party and murders everyone. Then decides to just keep killing.

So now we know that the girlfriend provided the picture of the fake cruiser, and was the one who told the cops that he was driving around impersonating a cop.

Looks like it was an ERT RCMP who finally blew this guy away at the gas station while he was reaching for his gun. Probably didn't feel like asking the guy to freeze or to put his hands up, just pumped him full of lead. And I don't blame him.
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We just said the same thing, "good." Also, said police officer pumping that guy full of lead also likely knew a co-worker had been murdered.

So the gf knew he had a car tricked out to be a police cruiser but never thought he'd "use it" in an evil way.
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The Green Barbarian wrote:Probably didn't feel like asking the guy to freeze or to put his hands up, just pumped him full of lead. And I don't blame him.


I'm thinking it would have been better to do a leg shot or blow his hand off as he was reaching for the gun...then there would be someone to answer 'why'.
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^^^^but but but police are trained to shoot at center mass. So when a police officer pulls the trigger your chances of surviving are slim to none unless he/she is a bad shot.
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The Green Barbarian wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/nova-scotia-shootings-began-after-gunman-attacked-his-girlfriend-sources-say/ar-BB136Bty?ocid=msedgdhp

Attacks girlfriend at a party, then brings her home and ties her up, she runs away, so guy goes back to party and murders everyone. Then decides to just keep killing.

So now we know that the girlfriend provided the picture of the fake cruiser, and was the one who told the cops that he was driving around impersonating a cop.

Looks like it was an ERT RCMP who finally blew this guy away at the gas station while he was reaching for his gun. Probably didn't feel like asking the guy to freeze or to put his hands up, just pumped him full of lead. And I don't blame him.


I've been trying to picture this for a while. He was one hell of bad tier upper. Who the hell can run away after being tied up? And likely in my view, showed malignant narcissistic personality traits well before this final incident. No way did this come out of the blue. Was she afraid to leave him like so many are?
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There's incompetence for ya. FAC's disappeared in what, 1995 or so?

Chief Supt. Chris Leather said Wednesday that "we have a fairly good idea that, in Canada at least, he didn't have a firearms acquisition certificate."


The RCMP can tell if you have a PAL or RPAL as quickly as they can check your driver's license. Your eligibility to hold a PAL or RPAL is reviewed via CSIS every single day of the year, with a daily cross-reference to the PAL and RPAL database.

This bafflegab from the top cop smells funny to me. Irrespective of that funny smell, we're certainly seeing that more and more firearms laws are completely meaningless when it comes to preventing criminal acts.
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^^^ mainly because people who are about to commit criminal acts are not going to get a PAL or RPAL
What they are going to do is get weaponry from under the table/black market.

I would be extremely surprised if any gang member in Canada has either PAL or RPAL.
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Big crimes start with small ones. First you ignore social distancing by having a drunken party, and the next thing you know, you've become a mass murderer.

That, my friends, is why you obey the social distancing rules.
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Do you have good relations with your neighbours?

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I still don't understand why it took so long to stop him.
Wonder what happened at that party and I agree Queen how did she get free so fast, and why didn't he go after her?
As for the why - he would have never told the truth and plead insanity to get a light sentence, so glad he was shot dead.
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Ka-El wrote:As far as gun control goes, I don’t really see what, if anything, the government could introduce that would have had any bearing on the outcome of this unfortunate event.


This guy did not have a PAL, was barred from having a PAL, was therefore barred from legally owning guns, and therefore used an illegally obtained firearm in his murder spree. Further to that - he was dressed in a police uniform and driving around in a former police vehicle with equipment and markings added to make it again look like a police vehicle. He was actively engaged in pulling people - impersonating a police officer - before killing them.

No laws could have or were able to prevent this. All of the above are already illegal, yet here we are. Proof positive we have all the laws we need to make everything this guy did illegal, yet we somehow were still unable to stop this person from breaking them.
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^^^^ So therefore we should just implant chips into every person in Canada so that when you think of committing a crime it zaps you. Go forward and try to commit a brutal/heinous crime it automatically fries the life out of you. All info is stored into this chip like a black box for future download and scrutiny.

Sounds stupid and invasive doesn’t it...well so does bashing legal gun owners with further gun regulations and restrictions. Using a firearm to commit a crime is already illegal, let’s just leave it at that.
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36Drew wrote:This guy did not have a PAL, was barred from having a PAL

Was he barred? I understood a 9 month ban but that was years ago.
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