Gun Control
-
- Guru
- Posts: 6472
- Joined: May 29th, 2013, 2:08 pm
Re: Gun Control
Gun ownership in Canada is a PRIVILAGE . Gun ownership in the United States is a RIGHT.
I believe the current Canadian gun laws are just fine, no need to screw with them any more than they have. This current gun ban on some firearms was done with an order in council, an easier reversal if a different government wants to tweak it some.
It seems the call for bans on guns are coming from the ill informed urban dweller that see gang shootings every morning in their cities news.
I really don't think if the media would state that the firearms used were stolen or brought into Canada from the States illegally would make one iota of difference to these urban anti gun folk.
Canada will never have the "right" to own and bear arms like Americans can/do. I thought the American amendment that allowed them to own and bear arms dated back to their formation of their constitution. The belief that a well armed militia(private citizen) would give any country that wants to invade something to think about before doing so.
Now off to finish re-loading some .223 and onto some 6.5 PRC. Finished the 3006 and .308 loads.
I believe the current Canadian gun laws are just fine, no need to screw with them any more than they have. This current gun ban on some firearms was done with an order in council, an easier reversal if a different government wants to tweak it some.
It seems the call for bans on guns are coming from the ill informed urban dweller that see gang shootings every morning in their cities news.
I really don't think if the media would state that the firearms used were stolen or brought into Canada from the States illegally would make one iota of difference to these urban anti gun folk.
Canada will never have the "right" to own and bear arms like Americans can/do. I thought the American amendment that allowed them to own and bear arms dated back to their formation of their constitution. The belief that a well armed militia(private citizen) would give any country that wants to invade something to think about before doing so.
Now off to finish re-loading some .223 and onto some 6.5 PRC. Finished the 3006 and .308 loads.
I am not wealthy but I am rich
- crookedmember
- Banned
- Posts: 2872
- Joined: Jan 8th, 2011, 9:43 am
Re: Gun Control
I'd guess these days COVID occupies most of the government's time. But COVID hopefully will be gone soon; gun deaths are long term.
Remember when the US bleeped their collective pants after 4000 died on 9/11? Since then about 1,000,000 Americans have died on US soil from gunfire. Mostly handguns.
So it's important for the government to restrict handguns and assault-style weapons. While assault-style weapons may be technically similar to other legal guns, the style does tend to have psychological effects on white males with disappointing lives and/or incels who yearn to be famous.
Those weapons are the number 1 choice of mass shooters for a reason.
Last edited by crookedmember on Jan 23rd, 2022, 8:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
All posts 100% moderator approved!
- GordonH
- Сварливий старий мерзотник
- Posts: 38864
- Joined: Oct 4th, 2008, 7:21 pm
Re: Gun Control
Fools think mass shooters in Canada get their gun/s off the rack, wrong it’s via same black market that gangs get theirs. Which JT’s gun law hasn’t even come close to stopping, doubtful it ever will.crookedmember wrote: ↑Jan 22nd, 2022, 3:18 pm
I'd guess these days COVID occupies most of the government's time. But COVID hopefully will be gone soon; gun deaths are long term.
Remember when the US bleeped their collective pants after 4000 died on 9/11? Since then about 1,000,000 Americans have died on US soil from gunfire. Mostly handguns.
So it's important for the government to restrict handguns and assault-style weapons. While assault-style weapons may be technically similar to other legal guns, the style does tend to have psychological effects on while males with disappointing lives and/or incels who yearn to be famous.
Those weapons are the number 1 choice of mass shooters for a reason.
Last edited by Triple 6 on Jan 22nd, 2022, 6:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Edited
Reason: Edited
I don't give a damn whether people/posters like me or dislike me, I'm not on earth to win any popularity contests.
-
- Grand Pooh-bah
- Posts: 2985
- Joined: Aug 7th, 2006, 10:00 pm
Re: Gun Control
I think someone said something about common sense a few post back............
LILLEY: Apparently criminals pay no heed to Trudeau's gun ban announcements
I’m not really sure how this happened, but a Toronto man has recently been charged with possessing a number of guns even though Justin Trudeau and the Liberal government in Ottawa have banned them. Could it be that the man in question didn’t get Trudeau’s memo about the ban or is it that this ban was always a ridiculous move that wouldn’t improve public safety?
There were 408 shootings in Toronto in 2021, up from 288 in 2015, the year Trudeau took office. These shootings were committed by career criminals and gang members, not the legal, RCMP-vetted licensed gun owners.
Yet Trudeau’s response is to ban rifles and threaten to ban handguns owned by those licensed owners. He doesn’t go after gun smugglers or street gangs with the same vigour.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/lilley-a ... ZIqlM9fQOM
LILLEY: Apparently criminals pay no heed to Trudeau's gun ban announcements
I’m not really sure how this happened, but a Toronto man has recently been charged with possessing a number of guns even though Justin Trudeau and the Liberal government in Ottawa have banned them. Could it be that the man in question didn’t get Trudeau’s memo about the ban or is it that this ban was always a ridiculous move that wouldn’t improve public safety?
There were 408 shootings in Toronto in 2021, up from 288 in 2015, the year Trudeau took office. These shootings were committed by career criminals and gang members, not the legal, RCMP-vetted licensed gun owners.
Yet Trudeau’s response is to ban rifles and threaten to ban handguns owned by those licensed owners. He doesn’t go after gun smugglers or street gangs with the same vigour.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/lilley-a ... ZIqlM9fQOM
Once I thought I was wrong.....but I was mistaken...
-
- Guru
- Posts: 6472
- Joined: May 29th, 2013, 2:08 pm
Re: Gun Control
Are you referring to Canada? If so, the weapons you describe are restricted or prohibited already.. If you are referring to the US, good luck with that. I believe more are applying for conceal carry permits down there now, not fewer people.crookedmember wrote: ↑Jan 22nd, 2022, 3:18 pm So it's important for the government to restrict handguns and assault-style weapons.
Sure, one can dress up a rather innocuous LOOKING firearm to make it look "nasty" but it still is a semi auto with a restricted magazine capacity. Is that what they mean buy putting lipstick on a pig?
I am not wealthy but I am rich
-
- Board Meister
- Posts: 481
- Joined: Dec 12th, 2021, 9:30 am
Re: Gun Control
Not so sure. For instance the gun used in the École Polytechnique mass shooting was legally obtained. As well, I suspect the some of the police massacres such as in Moncton, N.B. and Mayerthorpe, AB, were committed with legally obtained guns.
But then apparently Stats Canada isn't so sure about all of this either.
"Statistics Canada to collect data on origins of guns used in crime"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... -1.5579971
-
- Grand Pooh-bah
- Posts: 2722
- Joined: Mar 29th, 2009, 3:32 pm
Re: Gun Control
You should give s34-35 of the CCC a read. You'll find that you're very wrong on that point. As of 2012, Canada has "Stand your ground" and "Castle doctrine" both enshrined into law. Again, this is an example of cognitive dissonance.
Somehow you've managed - yet again - to contradict yourself between two paragraphs in the same post.
Generally speaking, using weapons to defend yourself against an unarmed assailant is going to get you into trouble - but there is case-history on the books to suggest that if you believe the assailant has a weapon, and that you fear for your life, that response in-kind is justified. The bar for proof of that belief and fear is high - but lethal force in the defence of your property and person is accounted for and permitted permitted under the CCC.Catri wrote: ↑Jan 22nd, 2022, 2:39 pm Using a firearm to defend your property or yourself, particularly from someone who is unarmed (but even if they are in most cases I think), is not acceptable. Civilians shooting people is against the law in Canada and always has been. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.
In addition to that - Alberta's Trespass Statutes Act provides "civil immunity to occupiers who employ force, including lethal force, in defence of homes and other premises."
I'd like to change your mind, but I don't have a fresh diaper.
- sobrohusfat
- Guru
- Posts: 6374
- Joined: Jul 2nd, 2008, 12:42 am
Re: Gun Control
Then don't.
But think twice about breaking in to my house where my wife and daughter are alone when im out of town - cause she willl.
---
...Or any government that wants to with the people a little too much - i think was the idea too.
The adventure continues...
No good story ever started with; "So i stayed home."
No good story ever started with; "So i stayed home."
-
- Board Meister
- Posts: 481
- Joined: Dec 12th, 2021, 9:30 am
Re: Gun Control
Still doing a bit of research, but I'm finding that when it comes to reports with possession circumstances, the guns and owners are clearly 'legal', 'illegal', or it's pretty muddy.Phil Intheblank wrote: ↑Jan 22nd, 2022, 8:26 pmNot so sure. For instance the gun used in the École Polytechnique mass shooting was legally obtained. As well, I suspect the some of the police massacres such as in Moncton, N.B. and Mayerthorpe, AB, were committed with legally obtained guns.
But then apparently Stats Canada isn't so sure about all of this either.
"Statistics Canada to collect data on origins of guns used in crime"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... -1.5579971
For instance it's pretty clear when it comes to the Nova Scotia shooter's case,
"Colt carbine, Ruger Mini-14 among illegally obtained firearms used by Nova Scotia shooter, docs show"
https://globalnews.ca/news/7474635/nova ... r-mini-14/
However, these are the Quebec Mosque shooter's legally acquired six guns. The only hitch being when he applied for his license, ". . . he falsely reported he had no history of mental health issues or suicidal thoughts," and it was approved.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/alexandr ... -1.5326201
It looks to me like these gun nuts might actually have been 'gun nuts.'
Last edited by Phil Intheblank on Jan 23rd, 2022, 6:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
- Fancy
- Insanely Prolific
- Posts: 71710
- Joined: Apr 15th, 2006, 6:23 pm
Re: Gun Control
Bissonnette had two illegal magazines.
Truths can be backed up by facts - do you have any?
Fancy this, Fancy that and by the way, T*t for Tat
Fancy this, Fancy that and by the way, T*t for Tat
-
- Board Meister
- Posts: 481
- Joined: Dec 12th, 2021, 9:30 am
Re: Gun Control
Phil Intheblank wrote: ↑Jan 22nd, 2022, 8:26 pmNot so sure. For instance the gun used in the École Polytechnique mass shooting was legally obtained. As well, I suspect the some of the police massacres such as in Moncton, N.B. and Mayerthorpe, AB, were committed with legally obtained guns.
But then apparently Stats Canada isn't so sure about all of this either.
"Statistics Canada to collect data on origins of guns used in crime"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... -1.5579971
Phil Intheblank wrote: ↑Jan 23rd, 2022, 6:18 am Still doing a bit of research, but I'm finding that when it comes to reports with possession circumstances, the guns and owners are clearly 'legal', 'illegal', or it's pretty muddy.
For instance it's pretty clear when it comes to the Nova Scotia shooter's case,
"Colt carbine, Ruger Mini-14 among illegally obtained firearms used by Nova Scotia shooter, docs show"
https://globalnews.ca/news/7474635/nova ... r-mini-14/
However, these are the Quebec Mosque shooter's legally acquired six guns. The only hitch being when he applied for his license, ". . . he falsely reported he had no history of mental health issues or suicidal thoughts," and it was approved.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/alexandr ... -1.5326201
It looks to me like these gun nuts might actually have been 'gun nuts.'
Yes, sorry about that. I saw it mentioned somewhere and then I failed to acknowledge here how that instance of illegal acquisition would scrap any argument against Gordon's mass shooters, "getting their gun/s off the rack." Plus I didn't account for how the illegal acquisition of a firearms certificate would also contribute to his claim.
-
- Board Meister
- Posts: 481
- Joined: Dec 12th, 2021, 9:30 am
Re: Gun Control
Actually, this says he used five 10 round magazines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Ci ... e_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Ci ... e_shooting
- GordonH
- Сварливий старий мерзотник
- Posts: 38864
- Joined: Oct 4th, 2008, 7:21 pm
Re: Gun Control
He didn’t use a rifle, it was handgun which is much harder to obtain. How did he obtain a glock.Phil Intheblank wrote: ↑Jan 23rd, 2022, 9:29 am Actually, this says he used five 10 round magazines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Ci ... e_shooting
I don't give a damn whether people/posters like me or dislike me, I'm not on earth to win any popularity contests.
-
- Board Meister
- Posts: 481
- Joined: Dec 12th, 2021, 9:30 am
Re: Gun Control
Good question.
Also I'm wrong about the Mayerthorpe massacre.
https://globalnews.ca/news/106930/roszk ... iry-hears/
But maybe right about Moncton.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/multime ... e24769990/
As I said above, "Still doing a bit of research, but I'm finding that when it comes to reports with possession circumstances, the guns and owners are clearly 'legal', 'illegal', or it's pretty muddy."
And, "apparently Stats Canada isn't so sure about all of this either."
"Statistics Canada to collect data on origins of guns used in crime"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... -1.5579971
And since my 'record' is so shaky now, and my stories from Globe and Mail have reached their limit, I'd welcome any help offered here on the 'Glock.'
Also I'm wrong about the Mayerthorpe massacre.
https://globalnews.ca/news/106930/roszk ... iry-hears/
But maybe right about Moncton.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/multime ... e24769990/
As I said above, "Still doing a bit of research, but I'm finding that when it comes to reports with possession circumstances, the guns and owners are clearly 'legal', 'illegal', or it's pretty muddy."
And, "apparently Stats Canada isn't so sure about all of this either."
"Statistics Canada to collect data on origins of guns used in crime"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... -1.5579971
And since my 'record' is so shaky now, and my stories from Globe and Mail have reached their limit, I'd welcome any help offered here on the 'Glock.'
-
- Board Meister
- Posts: 481
- Joined: Dec 12th, 2021, 9:30 am
Re: Gun Control
I'm still searching but haven't found anything specific on the Glock. Still, since he had his firearms certificate, then what would prevent him from buying it from a Canadian shop? And could it simply be part of the supposedly, "six," in the report above.
Also, he carried the rifle along with two illegal magazines into the Mosque and apparently intend to use it but it jammed.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/ ... e-shooting
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/0 ... g-handguns
Last edited by Phil Intheblank on Jan 23rd, 2022, 12:31 pm, edited 3 times in total.