Gun Control

[The Green Barbarian]

The farm was likely 3 tomato plants in a Kelowna back yard, but called a farm to try to validate a very weak and irrational argument point.

Reminds me of the kid in junior high that didn't understand why we raised cattle if you can just go to the store and buy beef.

Thanks for the laugh Veovis. Good one!

[FairlyKnew]

Well done everyone. I haven't had a good laugh like this on this board for a long time. Amazingly witty responses.

[oldtrucker]

The farm was likely 3 tomato plants in a Kelowna back yard, but called a farm to try to validate a very weak and irrational argument point.

Reminds me of the kid in junior high that didn't understand why we raised cattle if you can just go to the store and buy beef.

Nope, please don't put words in my mouth.

I still don't see how farming vegetables has anything to do with owning a gun and killing animals but I think that was Barbarian's point and not yours.

Vax...let's say you discover a mangy yote living in one of your cattle sheds. How would you deal with the issue?

[dorf007]

Guns will always be murdering tools and criminals will always have guns. Ensuring every citizen has guns doesn't prevent crime. It just means everyone is now shooting each other.
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here is my reply...

I view my guns (other than for hunting and shooting) as self defence weapons.
Imagine if the people (pick a mass murder) had a gun(s) to defend them selves and knew how to use it !!!
It is as simple as, if you are going to try to kill me...I have a gun with me and know how to use it...I'm going to defend myself and those around me...you won't be killing anyone today".
It is NOT a case of "everyone is now shooting each other" but a simple point...I'm not letting you kill me !!!

If anyone thinks banning assault weapons, or guns in general will prevent more killing, how will YOU keep them out of Canada and away from criminals ? Answer that !!! Criminals will always have access to guns. Hell, you can even go buy a working TANK, but I'm sure JT will find a way to ban them. What's next...cork screws and can openers ?

BTW...as stated...I own guns...and they have NEVER killed anyone. It is not the gun (weapon) that does the killing...it is the person. Try to refute that !!!

[dorf007]

There is no bigger environmentalist/lover of animals then a hunter.
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How can someone who kills animals with a gun be an animal lover?
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Hunters were the first environmentalists and YES we do love animals !
Perhaps you have heard of Teddy Roosevelt or Ulysses S Grant?
Both were presidents of the USA, war veterans, and hunters.
Grant created the first national park.....Yellowstone.
Roosevelt created 150 national forests, 51 federal bird reserves, four national game preserves, five national parks and 18 national monuments on over 230 million acres of public land.
Here is a interesting stat...

In 2018, over 5.685 million Canadians participated in hunting, fishing, trapping, or shooting sports, resulting
in:
o $18.9 billion in direct spending in Canada;
o $13.2 billion to Canada’s gross domestic product – 0.6% of the Canadian economy;
o Support for nearly 107,000 Canadian jobs, and labour income estimated at $6.4 billion; and
o $6.1 billion in federal and provincial government revenues.

Are hunters the largest contributors to conservation...
The 10 largest non-profit conservation organizations contribute $2.5 billion annually to habitat and wildlife conservation.

Now, let me ask you a simple question...how much do YOU contribute to wildlife and environmental conservation ?

[GordonH]

Stabbings are climbing up, I’m guessing knife control will be next. What say you JT

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/368357 ... lam-school

Good luck cutting up that juicy steak without a steak knife. don’t forget black market

[oldtrucker]

New 'registry' coming may 18.
https://youtu.be/ep3-V2ufx3k

[puterbrother]

There is no bigger environmentalist/lover of animals then a hunter.

How can someone who kills animals with a gun be an animal lover?
[/quote]

Hunters were the first environmentalists and YES we do love animals !
Perhaps you have heard of Teddy Roosevelt or Ulysses S Grant?
Both were presidents of the USA, war veterans, and hunters.
Grant created the first national park.....Yellowstone.
Roosevelt created 150 national forests, 51 federal bird reserves, four national game preserves, five national parks and 18 national monuments on over 230 million acres of public land.
Here is a interesting stat...

In 2018, over 5.685 million Canadians participated in hunting, fishing, trapping, or shooting sports, resulting
in:
o $18.9 billion in direct spending in Canada;
o $13.2 billion to Canada’s gross domestic product – 0.6% of the Canadian economy;
o Support for nearly 107,000 Canadian jobs, and labour income estimated at $6.4 billion; and
o $6.1 billion in federal and provincial government revenues.

Are hunters the largest contributors to conservation...
The 10 largest non-profit conservation organizations contribute $2.5 billion annually to habitat and wildlife conservation.

Now, let me ask you a simple question...how much do YOU contribute to wildlife and environmental conservation ?
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Nicely done buddy !

[puterbrother]

There is no bigger environmentalist/lover of animals then a hunter.

How can someone who kills animals with a gun be an animal lover?
[/quote]

Hunters were the first environmentalists and YES we do love animals !
Perhaps you have heard of Teddy Roosevelt or Ulysses S Grant?
Both were presidents of the USA, war veterans, and hunters.
Grant created the first national park.....Yellowstone.
Roosevelt created 150 national forests, 51 federal bird reserves, four national game preserves, five national parks and 18 national monuments on over 230 million acres of public land.
Here is a interesting stat...

In 2018, over 5.685 million Canadians participated in hunting, fishing, trapping, or shooting sports, resulting
in:
o $18.9 billion in direct spending in Canada;
o $13.2 billion to Canada’s gross domestic product – 0.6% of the Canadian economy;
o Support for nearly 107,000 Canadian jobs, and labour income estimated at $6.4 billion; and
o $6.1 billion in federal and provincial government revenues.

Are hunters the largest contributors to conservation...
The 10 largest non-profit conservation organizations contribute $2.5 billion annually to habitat and wildlife conservation.

Now, let me ask you a simple question...how much do YOU contribute to wildlife and environmental conservation ?
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Nicely done buddy ! CCFR and BCWF lives !

[Gone_Fishin]

Once again, missing the point. Hunters and farmers are the same in how much they care about the sustainability of their supply.

And yet the point still remains that vegetable farmers aren’t shooting things with guns so…

My uncle owned a farm and never had a gun and shot animals.

Agriculture is the single largest form of habitat alienation that negatively affects wildlife.

It appears your family killed more animals by destroying their native habitat than anyone who sustainably harvested a deer to feed his family organic, free range food.

[Nedroj]

And yet the point still remains that vegetable farmers aren’t shooting things with guns so…

My uncle owned a farm and never had a gun and shot animals.

If your uncle had an actual farm he would have had a gun, 100%.

On the farm shooting Coyotes, Beavers, Bears, Wolves, and Foxes that would kill livestock, ruin the Saddles, and flood fields were very common. Hell, I've shot a few Beavers and Coyotes myself when out plowing the fields when I was only 13.

[oldtrucker]

And yet the point still remains that vegetable farmers aren’t shooting things with guns so…

My uncle owned a farm and never had a gun and shot animals.

If your uncle had an actual farm he would have had a gun, 100%.

On the farm shooting Coyotes, Beavers, Bears, Wolves, and Foxes that would kill livestock, ruin the Saddles, and flood fields were very common. Hell, I've shot a few Beavers and Coyotes myself when out plowing the fields when I was only 13.

The RM in bumsville sask used to give us 2 minute fuse blasting caps, rolls of b- line, cases of explosives to blow up beaver dams and lodges. That was a long time ago before Canadians went paranoid and stupid.

[Gone_Fishin]

Despite promising over and over again that he would NEVER do it, Justin Trudeau has just introduced a new long gun registry to harass law-abiding farmers and duck hunters.

You'd think the Liberals had learned their lesson last time they did this. But nope, gotta virtue signal and vilify a farmer while simultaneously reducing sentences on gun smugglers and armed robbers.

In a press conference this morning Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino confirmed the new long-gun registry is coming. These measures come into effect on 18 May 2022, and stem from Bill C-71 legislation which became law in 2019.
Canadians are once again subjected to expensive and ineffective measures to further regulate licensed, legal gun owners, while the Liberal government turns a blind eye to the very real and increasing street crime being committed by criminals with illicitly smuggled guns.

Since the election campaign back in 2015, the Trudeau Liberals have vowed not to reintroduce a long gun registry due to the massive expense and its failure to prevent or solve a single violent crime. Today they broke that promise by re-introducing a registration process for the sale of non-restricted firearms and a requirement of gun stores to retain records for 20 years. Not only are these measures ineffective at reducing crime, they put licensed gun owners in direct danger due to the sharing of their private information. This reckless policy will undoubtedly lead to an increase in fraud, break-ins and theft.

The Liberals have gone a step further by allowing law enforcement the ability to determine their own “reasonable circumstances” to access these highly sensitive and personal records. There is no warrant requirement for law enforcement to request these records from firearms retailers and businesses.

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In Mendicino’s statement, he makes several false statements and protests those who would call the Liberals latest regulation a “registry”. He does this while describing an obvious registry run by a Registrar.

Canadians know, and the evidence is clear, registries, gun bans and record keeping do not reduce crime and violence. We need real solutions in our communities and this government refuses to act.

[Gone_Fishin]

Justin says it's not a registry, but his registrar keeps the records of all firearms sales, including make, model, serial number, and all other data pertaining to a non-restricted firearm sale to a duck hunter or farmer, including the duck hunter/farmer's name, address, etc.

reg·is·trar
/ˈrejəˌsträr/

noun
an official responsible for keeping a register or official records.

Effective May 18, individuals and businesses transferring or selling a non-restricted firearm will need to confirm the recipient’s identity and check the validity of their firearms licence with the registrar beforehand, providing the recipient’s licence number and any other information requested.

In addition, businesses must now keep records of inventory and sales related to non-restricted firearms.

The Conservatives swiftly accused the Liberals of reviving the national long-gun registry created by the Liberals in the 1990s and abolished by Stephen Harper's Tory government.

“Justin Trudeau said he would never enact a long-gun registry and today he is breaking that promise to Canadians by passing off the responsibility to maintain a registry to retailers who sell firearms to lawful and properly licensed Canadians," the Conservatives said in a statement.

[The Green Barbarian]

Despite promising over and over again that he would NEVER do it, Justin Trudeau has just introduced a new long gun registry to harass law-abiding farmers and duck hunters.

You'd think the Liberals had learned their lesson last time they did this. But nope, gotta virtue signal and vilify a farmer while simultaneously reducing sentences on gun smugglers and armed robbers.

Can't pass up a chance to virtue-signal to the total dumb dumbs out there who think that this somehow is a good thing.