Gun Control

[mikest2]

Suicide is not violence, hence firearm suicides are not violence, ergo not gun violence. Otherwise I am sure you would be quite concerned about poisoning violence, hanging violence, and drug overdose violence as well

Many many peeps would disagree with you on that.......but nice try with the deflection.

When it comes to the data, public health officials and academics are pretty specific in the way they describe shootings. The CDC defines “firearm violence” as shootings that are self-inflicted; unintentional; the result of interpersonal violence; and officer-involved. WISQARS, the CDC’s fatal injury database, allows people to filter cause-of-death data by “cause or mechanism of the injury” and includes “firearms” as an option. The resulting report is headlined simply “Firearm Deaths and Rates.”..........

Canada, for example, considers suicide by firearm to be gun violence and includes gun suicides in its firearm injury statistics, said a spokesperson for the country’s public safety agency.

“Certainly, firearm suicide is generally considered to be a ‘gun violence’ issue in Australia, the U.K., Canada, New Zealand, and in most European nations,” said Philip Alpers, a public health professor at the University of Sydney in Australia and director of GunPolicy.Org, a website that’s tracked global civilian gun ownership and deaths for nearly two decades.

Alpers and his fellow academics in Australia refer to gun suicides as gun violence and also “firearm-related violence.”

https://www.thetrace.org/2021/12/gun-vi ... ng-deaths/

Canada’s gun-violence epidemic doesn’t look like what you might think

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... ght-think/

Meh, still a lame argument.
Canada's gun violence problem is criminals illegally obtaining, possessing and using firearms. The Liberals continue to double down on more restrictions for licenced, law abiding firearms owners while at the same time lowering minimum mandatory sentencing for crimes involving firearms. Then our courts throw the criminals right back onto the street.

The 42-year-old woman driver and a 41-year-old man who was the passenger in the vehicle were arrested. The woman was released without charges, while the man is facing possible charges of possession for the purpose of trafficking and was released to appear in court at a later date.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... affic-stop

If you gave the Liberals a map they couldn't find the "you are here" marker

[foenix]

Meh, even a lamer e̶x̶c̶u̶s̶e̶ argument......criminials illegally obtaining, possessing and using gun for violence is a tiny tiny tiny fraction of the gun violence problem in Canada......and the right winger keep continuously pushing this false narrative.

[Gone_Fishin]

Don't trust Justin Trudeau.

“They’re being smuggled in because people that want to possess them do not register firearms. They are criminal, the criminal entity of the city, mainly gangs, but there are illegal firearms that are much easier to acquire from the United States,” explains Insp. Joe Matthews, who heads up Toronto police’s guns and gangs unit.

In 2020, approximately 85 per cent of all handguns seized by Toronto police were traced back to the U.S.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/ ... r-toronto/

[Sparki55]

Meh, even a lamer e̶x̶c̶u̶s̶e̶ argument......criminials illegally obtaining, possessing and using gun for violence is a tiny tiny tiny fraction of the gun violence problem in Canada......and the right winger keep continuously pushing this false narrative.

What?! Do you think legal firearm owners are accounting for all of the gun violence in Canada? Where do you get this info from?

Also, suicide my gun is not gun violence. I don't care if that is the official definition. If it is the official definition, it was changed to serve a purpose. As pointed out by others, we don't worry about bridge violence or rope violence.

[foenix]

Meh, even a lamer e̶x̶c̶u̶s̶e̶ argument......criminials illegally obtaining, possessing and using gun for violence is a tiny tiny tiny fraction of the gun violence problem in Canada......and the right winger keep continuously pushing this false narrative.

What?! Do you think legal firearm owners are accounting for all of the gun violence in Canada? Where do you get this info from?

Also, suicide my gun is not gun violence. I don't care if that is the official definition. If it is the official definition, it was changed to serve a purpose. As pointed out by others, we don't worry about bridge violence or rope violence.

No one really cares what we think, that's the official definition, get over it. Try reading the post again and try and figure out what it actually says instead of projecting and assuming.

[GordonH]

Black market on guns is doing very well in Canada, the source isn’t at all surprising.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8845131/onta ... ce-states/

[seewood]

Black market on guns is doing very well in Canada, the source isn’t at all surprising.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8845131/onta ... ce-states/

You know that, I know that, but apparently Truedum refuses to know that.

[foenix]

Black market on guns is doing very well in Canada, the source isn’t at all surprising.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8845131/onta ... ce-states/

Firearm-related violent crimes is a small proportion of all violent crime in Canada – 3% in 2017.......

GUN CRIME IS LESS THAN ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT OF
OVERALL POLICE-REPORTED CRIME IN CANADA

FIREARM RELATED CRIME IS A REGIONAL STORY

THERE WERE 3,603 INCIDENTS WHERE AT LEAST ONE FIREARM WAS
REPORTED AS STOLEN PROPERTY IN 2017

https://sencanada.ca/content/sen/commit ... _ppt_e.pdf

[Gone_Fishin]

Let's see here - Libranos' own propaganda says that firearms crime is less than 3%.

85% of crime guns come from the US illegally.

So Justin Trudeau goes after (3%x(1-.85)) = 0.45% of crime by targeting the over 2 million lawful, law-abiding firearms owners in Canada.

Justin Trudeau is an idiot. So is anyone who supports him.

[foenix]

Let's do this again, shall we......

Over a 15 year period, more than two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in Ontario were suicides that impacted mostly older men living in rural areas, according to a new study published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal on Monday.

Doctors from the Unity Health Toronto network of hospitals examined health administrative data held at the Institute for Clinical Evaluative Sciences on firearm-related deaths and injuries in Ontario from 2002 to 2016.

They found that 67.6 per cent of deaths linked to guns in the province — a total of 1,842 — during that period were suicides, and mostly impacted older men living in rural areas.

The researchers also discovered that the majority of gun-related injuries in Ontario are due to self-harm, making up 68 per cent of those injuries and again impacting mostly men over 45, living in rural communities.

In contrast, the study also found that 25 per cent of firearm-related deaths represent young men in urban centres, and 40 per cent of injuries were assaults affecting those same demographics.

The findings show that targeted interventions need to be tailored to these two contrasting patterns, in order to reduce the impact of guns on rural and urban communities, researchers said in a media release.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.5767409

[Nedroj]

Let's do this again, shall we......

Over a 15 year period, more than two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in Ontario were suicides that impacted mostly older men living in rural areas, according to a new study published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal on Monday.

Doctors from the Unity Health Toronto network of hospitals examined health administrative data held at the Institute for Clinical Evaluative Sciences on firearm-related deaths and injuries in Ontario from 2002 to 2016.

They found that 67.6 per cent of deaths linked to guns in the province — a total of 1,842 — during that period were suicides, and mostly impacted older men living in rural areas.

The researchers also discovered that the majority of gun-related injuries in Ontario are due to self-harm, making up 68 per cent of those injuries and again impacting mostly men over 45, living in rural communities.

In contrast, the study also found that 25 per cent of firearm-related deaths represent young men in urban centres, and 40 per cent of injuries were assaults affecting those same demographics.

The findings show that targeted interventions need to be tailored to these two contrasting patterns, in order to reduce the impact of guns on rural and urban communities, researchers said in a media release.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.5767409

Please allow me to Destroy your pathetic argument with one single image.

Australia enacted the 1996 National Firearms Ban.

They still had over 2,200 suicides that year and the suicide rates have climbed to be roughly the same amount of Suicides Canada has each year at around 3,800 to 4,500. Canada without the same gun control laws.

The other thing you failed to mention is the majority of Suicide cases are from victims with Terminal Illnesses.
Banning Firearms will do nothing to stop the suicide rate as we've seen in Australia.

[mikest2]

Let's do this again, shall we......



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.5767409

Please allow me to Destroy your pathetic argument with one single image.

Australia enacted the 1996 National Firearms Ban.

They still had over 2,200 suicides that year and the suicide rates have climbed to be roughly the same amount of Suicides Canada has each year at around 3,800 to 4,500. Canada without the same gun control laws.

The other thing you failed to mention is the majority of Suicide cases are from victims with Terminal Illnesses.
Banning Firearms will do nothing to stop the suicide rate as we've seen in Australia.

There it is, plain and simple. The problem is that the Liberals are driven by poorly conceived ideas. To most rational people the idea of lowering crime rates by going after criminals is a no brainer. To the Liberals one must go after law abiding citizens and soften up on criminals. Logic and mathematics are not a Liberal strongpoint.

[foenix]

Please allow me to Destroy your pathetic argument with one single image.

Australia enacted the 1996 National Firearms Ban.

They still had over 2,200 suicides that year and the suicide rates have climbed to be roughly the same amount of Suicides Canada has each year at around 3,800 to 4,500. Canada without the same gun control laws.

The other thing you failed to mention is the majority of Suicide cases are from victims with Terminal Illnesses.
Banning Firearms will do nothing to stop the suicide rate as we've seen in Australia.

the conclusion wasn't definitive......

Last year a Reuters analysis of Australian Bureau of Statistics figures showed that in 1996, Australia had had 311 murders, of which 98 involved guns. In 2014, when the population had increased from about 18 million to 23 million, 238 people were murdered, 35 by guns.

In other words, the likelihood of being murdered by gunshot fell by 72 per cent in that period, from 0.54 to 0.15 per 100,000 people, Reuters said.......A study conducted 10 years after Port Arthur concluded: “Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms were followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides............“Total homicide rates followed the same pattern. Removing large numbers of rapid-firing firearms from civilians may be an effective way of reducing mass shootings, firearm homicides and firearm suicides.”.....While it also noted an accelerated decline in firearms deaths since the ban, and a statistically significant acceleration in the downward trend of firearm suicides, it concluded they could not be causally linked to Mr Howard’s ban despite this correlation.

It just means in this particular study, they couldn't find a causal relationship to the suicide reduction and the ban......which doesn't mean there wasn't as noted in the decrease death statistic for suicide and firearm deaths. They just didn't find it in this particular study (just for suicides)......but certainly in other studies....

Less guns = Less deaths For example....

Tougher Gun Laws, Fewer Gun Deaths

The more gun laws a state has, the lower its suicide and murder rates, a new U.S. study finds.

Gun violence in the United States is a public health crisis. In 2017, nearly 67,000 Americans died by suicide and homicide. And guns were involved in about half of the suicides and 74% of the murders, the researchers reported.

But in recent decades, "as states' strictness [on gun ownership] increased, their suicide and homicide rates decreased," lead author John Gunn said in a Rutgers University news release. He's a postdoctoral researcher at the Rutgers School of Public Health and New Jersey Gun Violence Research Center.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/new ... gun-deaths

America's gun culture - in seven charts

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

Fewer Guns Mean Fewer Gun Homicides

https://www.nber.org/digest/feb01/fewer ... -homicides

[mikest2]

Please allow me to Destroy your pathetic argument with one single image.

Australia enacted the 1996 National Firearms Ban.

They still had over 2,200 suicides that year and the suicide rates have climbed to be roughly the same amount of Suicides Canada has each year at around 3,800 to 4,500. Canada without the same gun control laws.

The other thing you failed to mention is the majority of Suicide cases are from victims with Terminal Illnesses.
Banning Firearms will do nothing to stop the suicide rate as we've seen in Australia.

the conclusion wasn't definitive......

Last year a Reuters analysis of Australian Bureau of Statistics figures showed that in 1996, Australia had had 311 murders, of which 98 involved guns. In 2014, when the population had increased from about 18 million to 23 million, 238 people were murdered, 35 by guns.

In other words, the likelihood of being murdered by gunshot fell by 72 per cent in that period, from 0.54 to 0.15 per 100,000 people, Reuters said.......A study conducted 10 years after Port Arthur concluded: “Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms were followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides............“Total homicide rates followed the same pattern. Removing large numbers of rapid-firing firearms from civilians may be an effective way of reducing mass shootings, firearm homicides and firearm suicides.”.....While it also noted an accelerated decline in firearms deaths since the ban, and a statistically significant acceleration in the downward trend of firearm suicides, it concluded they could not be causally linked to Mr Howard’s ban despite this correlation.

This is Canada though. Does Australia border the US ?
It just means in this particular study, they couldn't find a causal relationship to the suicide reduction and the ban......which doesn't mean there wasn't as noted in the decrease death statistic for suicide and firearm deaths. They just didn't find it in this particular study (just for suicides)......but certainly in other studies....

Less guns = Less deaths For example....

Tougher Gun Laws, Fewer Gun Deaths

The more gun laws a state has, the lower its suicide and murder rates, a new U.S. study finds.

Gun violence in the United States is a public health crisis. In 2017, nearly 67,000 Americans died by suicide and homicide. And guns were involved in about half of the suicides and 74% of the murders, the researchers reported.

But in recent decades, "as states' strictness [on gun ownership] increased, their suicide and homicide rates decreased," lead author John Gunn said in a Rutgers University news release. He's a postdoctoral researcher at the Rutgers School of Public Health and New Jersey Gun Violence Research Center.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/new ... gun-deaths

America's gun culture - in seven charts

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

Fewer Guns Mean Fewer Gun Homicides

https://www.nber.org/digest/feb01/fewer ... -homicides

[foenix]

You'll have to ask Nedroj....he's the one that brought up Australia.