Gun Control

[Nedroj]

You'll have to ask Nedroj....he's the one that brought up Australia.

I brought up Australia because all you gun control nut cases always site their "Assault Weapons Ban" in 1996 showing that gun control works to reduce death.

You particularly brought up the Suicide rates using Firearms in Canada saying that if we had better gun control laws the suicide rates would also come down and I'm saying (and proving) that is false. While it might deter someone from ending their life by not having a firearm readily available, they will and do eventually commit suicide using some other means.

Suicide by Firearm is the best way to end your life when you are that determined.

But in Canada, again, the choice method for Suicide is Hanging for Men and Poisoning for women, not firearms.

So your argument that Gun Control will lower Canada's Suicide rate is false.
Just like your argument that Gun Control will lower Canada's homicide rate is also false.

Look at this graph.

In 2020 there were 743 Homicides total in the entire country.
Of those 743 homicides,
277 (37%) were committed using a firearm
234 (31%) were committed using stabbing ie. knife, sharp objects
129 (17%) were committed using beating ie hands, fists, blunt objects

Since 2013, gang-related homicides in Canada’s largest cities have almost doubled. Of the 743 homicides in 2020, 20% of homicides (134) were linked to organized crime or street gangs. With the vast majority of them using Handguns as their choice of weapon.

Do you think Gang violence (using handguns primarily) is going to suddenly drop when legal, law-abiding firearm owners are being forced to give up their hunting/sport shooting rifles?

Theft of personal property was the crime most frequently reported (34%), followed by physical assault (22%), theft of household property (12%), sexual assault (10%), vandalism (9%), break and enter (7%), theft of motor vehicle or parts (4%), and robbery (3%). Representing less than 0.2% of all violent crimes in Canada in 2018, homicides account for a fraction of all police-reported violent Criminal Code offenses (Moreau 2019).

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/cntr ... ex-en.aspx

https://cubetoronto.com/canada/what-is- ... in-canada/

[foenix]

You'll have to ask Nedroj....he's the one that brought up Australia.

I brought up Australia because all you gun control nut cases always site their "Assault Weapons Ban" in 1996 showing that gun control works to reduce death.

It did....

Last year a Reuters analysis of Australian Bureau of Statistics figures showed that in 1996, Australia had had 311 murders, of which 98 involved guns. In 2014, when the population had increased from about 18 million to 23 million, 238 people were murdered, 35 by guns.

In other words, the likelihood of being murdered by gunshot fell by 72 per cent in that period, from 0.54 to 0.15 per 100,000 people, Reuters said.......A study conducted 10 years after Port Arthur concluded: “Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms were followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides............“Total homicide rates followed the same pattern. Removing large numbers of rapid-firing firearms from civilians may be an effective way of reducing mass shootings, firearm homicides and firearm suicides.”.

The study only mentioned it didn't find a causal between Howard's ban and the reduced deaths....but certainly the statistic supports the fact.....

Less guns = Less guns......that is not in dispute as many many studies support that.

[Nedroj]

First, let's look at the relationship between gun laws and violence in general. It is possible to have a violent society without guns. Prime evidence of that is the former Soviet Union and its successor states such as Russia, which despite stringent gun control laws, posted murder rates from 1965-1999 that far outstripped the rest of the developed world [sources: Kates and Mauser; Kessler; Pridemore]. The killers in question did not obtain illegal firearms -- they simply employed other weapons [source: Kleck].

On the other hand, Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, all countries with heavy gun ownership, have a history of low murder rates. According to a 2014 United Nations report, Germany's murder rate of 0.8 killings per 100,000 inhabitants was identical to Luxembourg, where the law prohibits civilian ownership of handguns and gun ownership is rare [source: UNODOC, Kates and Mauser].

[Nedroj]

Less guns = Less guns......that is not in dispute as many many studies support that.

I agree less guns means fewer guns........But that's not what we are discussing here.

I stated, Less guns doesn't equal less death.

[foenix]

I stated, Less guns doesn't equal less death.

That's exactly what it means.....Less guns = less deaths by guns

....and many many studies support that statement. I've posted those studies in this thread, feel free to browse through them.

[GordonH]

I stated, Less guns doesn't equal less death.

That's exactly what it means.....Less guns = less deaths by guns

....and many many studies support that statement. I've posted those studies in this thread, feel free to browse through them.

As long as there continues to be holes in our border with the US, guns will continue to be available to anyone.

[foenix]

....that is a small small fraction of the gun death problem in Canada.

[featfan]

I don’t care if you only have a Hi-Point. Just make sure you at least have a gun.

[GordonH]

....that is a small small fraction of the gun death problem in Canada.

Again believing BS trudeau trying to sell, btw I am aware you have bought in hook... line and sinker. Simply because he’s scared less of someone wanting to shoot him.

[foenix]

....that is a small small fraction of the gun death problem in Canada.

Again believing BS trudeau trying to sell, btw I am aware you have bought in hook... line and sinker. Simply because he’s scared less of someone wanting to shoot him.

Jut basing things on stats and common sense and btw......not even close, JT and the Libs at the moment are the lesser of the evils.

[GordonH]

Based on following Canada seriously needs to ban rope & poison.

Suicide: The leading methods of suicide are (1) hanging (44%), including strangulation and suffocation; (2) poisoning (25%) and (3) shooting (16%).

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/82- ... t2-eng.htm

[mikest2]

Based on following Canada seriously needs to ban rope & poison.

Suicide: The leading methods of suicide are (1) hanging (44%), including strangulation and suffocation; (2) poisoning (25%) and (3) shooting (16%).

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/82- ... t2-eng.htm

Trying to sell logic to someone who thinks birds rises from their own ashes ?

[Nedroj]

Based on following Canada seriously needs to ban rope & poison.

Suicide: The leading methods of suicide are (1) hanging (44%), including strangulation and suffocation; (2) poisoning (25%) and (3) shooting (16%).

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/82- ... t2-eng.htm

We also need to ban fast food, pop and bacon.

Heart Disease:
It is the 2nd leading cause of death in Canada.

Also known as ischemic heart disease or coronary heart disease, heart disease refers to the buildup of plaque in the heart's arteries that could lead to a heart attack, heart failure, or death.

2012/13 data from the Public Health Agency of Canada's Canadian Chronic Disease Surveillance System (CCDSS) indicate that:

About 1 in 12 (or 2.4 million) Canadian adults age 20 and over live with diagnosed heart disease;
Every hour, about 12 Canadian adults aged 20 and over with diagnosed heart disease die.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... anada.html

[django]

Interesting series this week on global national tracing crime guns, be nice if they confronted the government with this stuff. I’m surprised global even reported on this side of the story.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8847965/cana ... s-tracing/

“Toronto police have said around 85 per cent of its crime guns are sourced from the U.S., but Canada still has no national data that tracks the sources of its illegal guns.“

[erinmore3775]

^^ The most important statements from the Global article are as follows: B.C., Alberta, Quebec and Ontario account for the vast majority of Canada’s crime guns, according to Taylor. In all four provinces, it is not mandatory under the provincial police act to trace a gun used in a crime.

Gun violence is a regular occurrence in the Lower Mainland. Gun tracing would be one of the tools that would help reduce this. Mandatory gun tracing is not expensive, Identify the source of illegal weapons, remove the source, and you can significantly reduce gun violence and not affect the rights of legitimate gun/rifle owners.