Gun Control

[Sparki55]

Too bad illegal firearms are a very small percentage of firearm violence in Canada....won't make a dent on the real problem.

No, they aren't.

[foenix]

Too bad illegal firearms are a very small percentage of firearm violence in Canada....won't make a dent on the real problem.

No, they aren't.

I must have missed that memo and evidence, care to share?

[Nedroj]

Too bad illegal firearms are a very small percentage of firearm violence in Canada....won't make a dent on the real problem.

So you want to ignore them altogether then? That makes perfect sense............

Ya I just watched the lying bit#$ from PolySeSouvient. Canada is very close to the frequency of shootings in the US apparently.

Looks like Mass Killings aren't really a big problem in Canada based on this complete list of all mass killings going back to the 1600's.

CanadaShootings.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... _in_Canada

[rustled]

Too bad illegal firearms are a very small percentage of firearm violence in Canada....won't make a dent on the real problem.

No, they aren't.

The real problem in Canada is the ignorance of the majority of Canadians about both firearms and current firearm restrictions in Canada. Makes us vulnerable to virtue-signaling nonsense.

[Nedroj]

There are anywhere from 500,000 to an estimated 2-3 million violent crimes every year in the USA that was stopped by a law-abiding person with a gun that happened to be at the right place at the right time. Without those guns, there would be more murder, rape, robberies, etc.

So what happened to that "good guys" argument in Uvalde, Texas?.....and Buffalo.....and Lakeland.......and.....and.....and...

Uvalde, Buffalo Shootings Expose the Myth of the ‘Good Guy With a Gun’

The NRA has a romantic notion that a ‘good guy with a gun’ could stem mass shootings. In reality, it hasn’t worked out like that........

For those lawmakers, it's more guns that are needed in America, where the number of firearms now surpasses the number of people living in the United States. Just hand them to the right people – the "good" people – and bad shooters will be stopped in their tracks, they argue.

That didn't work in Texas, where armed law enforcement personnel at the scene after the shooter first shot at his grandmother were unable to prevent the bloodbath. The school also has a school resource officer, though authorities said Thursday the officer was not on site at that time (after saying previously that the officer was). Texas authorities this week were fielding accusations that people trained to respond to such incidents didn't move quickly enough, possibly costing lives.

It didn't work May 16 in Buffalo, where an armed, off-duty security guard and former police officer was unable to stop a shooter on an apparent racist rampage. The security guard, along with nine Black supermarket shoppers, was killed.

It's also not a common outcome in previous active shooter episodes, according to the FBI. From 2000-2019, 119 of 345 active shooters committed suicide, the bureau said in a long-trend report. Another 119 were apprehended by police, 67 were killed by police, and five are at large. In only four cases did citizens kill the shooters – and none of those four happened at an educational setting.

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/ ... with-a-gun

Republicans’ “Good Guy With a Gun” Calls Look Even More Absurd in Wake of Disastrous Police Response During Texas School Shooting

If you’ve lived through the last decade or two in America, you already know that after mass shootings, including ones in which small children are murdered, the response from Republicans is to do absolutely nothing. Oh, sure, conservatives like to talk about “mental health” and bringing even more armed guards into already armed schools—that is, when they’re not chastising people for “politicizing” things—but when it comes to offering up solutions that would actually help prevent these horrific and regularly occurring events? That might result in even one less family sending a child to school who never comes home? No, thank you, Republicans want nothing to do with that.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05 ... l-shooting

Actually, the officer that shot and killed the shooter in fact had a gun. Without it, he would have been dead with the rest.

So a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun.

There are lots of examples where a good person with a Legally owned gun stopped a bad person with a gun.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/man-w ... r/2290236/

[foenix]

No, they aren't.

The real problem in Canada is the ignorance of the majority of Canadians about both firearms and current firearm restrictions in Canada. Makes us vulnerable to virtue-signaling nonsense.

I agree....

After falling for several years, rates of firearm-related violent crime are on the rise in Canada, the majority of which involve handguns, a recent report from Statistics Canada shows.

Released on Friday, the report compares instances of firearm-related violent crime in two periods ranging from 2009 to 2014, and 2015 to 2020.

The report shows that the rate of firearm-related violent crime in 2009 stood at 29 per 100,000 people. This number dropped to 19 in 2013 as violent crime also fell overall, before returning to 29 in 2020.

In 2020, police reported 8,344 victims of a crime where a firearm was present, representing 2.8 per cent of all victims of violent crime in Canada that year.............

Despite the figures, StatCan stresses that there are gaps in its reporting.

"It is important to recognize that there are limitations in our knowledge about firearms used in crime," the report says.

One of these gaps is the limited information collected on the details of particular firearms, such as their exact type, who owned it, how it was stored or whether the owner is licensed, the agency says.

There also is no consistent definition of a shooting among police services in Canada, nor is there consistent criteria to determine whether a shooting actually occurred.

As well, there are gaps in the nature of firearm-related violence in Canada, including the extent to which organized crime is involved, and whether there are any patterns in ethnicity, Indigenous identity except in the case of homicide data, and socioeconomic factors involved.

Provinces also do not require investigators to send guns used in crime for tracing, although even this process has varying success rates, StatCan says.

"Of particular concern, there is currently little information available to determine the source of firearms used in crime: for example, whether a gun used in a crime was stolen, illegally purchased or smuggled into the country," the report says.

"This information is sometimes not recorded by police services, recorded inconsistently or, in some cases, the information is simply not available."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/as-ottawa ... -1.5923276

[foenix]

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[foenix]

Too bad illegal firearms are a very small percentage of firearm violence in Canada....won't make a dent on the real problem.

So you want to ignore them altogether then? That makes perfect sense............

JT isn't, so I guess that does make perfect sense and not as you call it "virtue-signaling".

[Crismnytakr]

Nothing in this bill is new . Other then the outright ban of future handguns. As a legal restricted firearms permit holder with no plans to purchase an more handguns,it means nothing to me .Anyone who owns one now knows the steps needed and rules you need to follow under the laws to even take them out of the gun cabinet and go to the gun range to do some shooting. This ban is just window dressing for votes and I don't see how this does anything to curb gun crimes by criminals who don't care about gun laws or your feelings . Drug dealers and criminals don't generally use legally obtained firearms to committed crime .
The rest in the bill about extended capacity clips , shell capscity in rifles , automatic rifles and all that crap has been in effect for decades already but the brain dead eat it up like candy thinking " he's doing something".
But none of that is new most have been law since the 70s and 80s .

[foenix]

The "brain dead" are also screaming....."he's taking our rights away", "where's our freedom"?

[Nedroj]

The "brain dead" are also screaming....."he's taking our rights away", "where's our freedom"?

Hmmm just like the Brain-Dead people screaming about abortion rights being taken away.

Except Abortion does kill every time it's done, yet millions of Canadians use firearms every day without anyone being killed.........

[foenix]

.....Yet the 640 that use firearms to kill themselves has a success rate close to 90%......and knowing, suicide takes multiple attempts

The "brain dead" are also screaming....."he's taking our rights away", "where's our freedom"?

Hmmm just like the Brain-Dead people screaming about abortion rights being taken away.

Except Abortion does kill every time it's done, yet millions of Canadians use firearms every day without anyone being killed.........

So we're comparing abortions to massing shootings now? Deflect much.

[seewood]

The "brain dead" are also screaming....."he's taking our rights away", "where's our freedom"?

Hyperbole

If any that do gob-off about "taking our rights away" regarding fire arms, I agree, they are completely misinformed brain dead. In Canada, it is a privilege to own a fire arm, much like a drivers license. IT is NOT a right in Canada to own a fire arm. The US is about the only country I know where it is a "right" to own a firearm.

"where's our freedom" Huh? I am free to take my rifles to the bush and set up targets at various distances and blaze away. Others with handguns are free to take their handguns to the range and blaze away, after a few hoops to jump through.

Sitting reading some of these posts, I try and remember all the news stories the past number of years, Surrey 6 murders, Bacon murders in Kelowna, The murder caught on camera a few months ago on the streets of Vancouver, Abbotsford gang shootings, quite a list anyway. Now I try and figure how Trudums proposed legislation will stop these murders? Can't do it, sorry.
Just another virtue signal from the drama queen.

[foenix]

Just another virtue signal from the drama queen.

Yes he does do that after all he was a drama teacher but so does some of the pro-gun crew in this tread.

[Nedroj]

.....Yet the 640 that use firearms to kill themselves has a success rate close to 90%......and knowing, suicide takes multiple attempts

Hmmm just like the Brain-Dead people screaming about abortion rights being taken away.

Except Abortion does kill every time it's done, yet millions of Canadians use firearms every day without anyone being killed.........

So we're comparing abortions to massing shootings now? Deflect much.

Im comparing the "Pro-Abortion" rights people screaming about their rights being taken away with the pro-gun people having their rights taken away. Seems similar enough, both are having rights taken away.

Except
One takes a life 100% of the time. The other does not.

Canada doesn't have a gun issue or a mass killing issue. The only issue we have here is an idiot sitting in the PM chair virtue-signaling to his *bleep* followers about something he knows absolutely nothing about. The Stats and History image below shows that mass murderers in Canada use a variety of methods to commit their crimes.

And there are only 20 of them in the last 300+ years..........

CanadaShootings.png