Gun Control

[Jonrox]

Or do you perhaps think that Justine Trudeau is deliberately misleading Canadians with disinformation?

Is your constant use of the name Justine instead of Justin meant to be an insult? Is it somehow insulting to be called a woman?

[foenix]

You never know, we will just have to see in 4 years time.....the gun legislation did something in Australia and gun legislation in Japan and UK seems like it's "not doing anything" either.

The gun legislation didn't do anything in Australia.

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Hmmm...yet there are stats like this.....

The Australian study found that buying back 3,500 guns per 100,000 people correlated with up to a 50 percent drop in firearm homicides and a 74 percent drop in gun suicides.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ics-charts


.....btw.....how many mass slaughters have Australia experienced since the ban?

[Jonrox]

This same topic will be on here in four years getting more and more radical as the election nears . Need them votes.
I will still own and have my same firearms locked up in my vaults as I do now only l most likely need to add a third vault .
I really have always wanted a 50 caliber Barret and seeing I just got a new vault.
In ten years them same guns will be in them same vaults and nothing will have changed .
This law does nothing...

I disagree. Changes like these will help to keep us from embracing the gun culture that has poisoned the US. Although it seems like the new laws won't change much for folks like you, they keep the pervasiveness of gun culture in check.

The problem in the US is that they never made lasting or meaningful changes to gun laws or how they think about guns and it got out of hand.

So although you think these rules do nothing, they actually express our values and potentially shift the way Canadians think about guns. Losing control of the narrative and culture of guns is what has pushed the Americans past the point of no return.

[seewood]

The problem in the US is that they never made lasting or meaningful changes to gun laws or how they think about guns and it got out of hand.

They had made AR 15's illegal to sell in California for a period of time. The best before date on the legislation expired and now AR's are available in California again. https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/05/us/calif ... index.html
Not sure, but I think bumps stocks are now illegal after the slaughter in Las Vegas a few years back.https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks Might be overturned now???

Regardless, meaningful changes for many would imply an attack on their constitutional right to own firearms.
This is where it gets pissey. The NRA is or was a huge lobby group with tons of money to give to politicians that will leave gun ownership and constitutional rights alone.
The increase in crime where firearms are used has also increased the sale of firearms to private citizens, and the conceal carry permits.
Glad it has not got to Canada, as we do not have the RIGHT to own firearms, we have the PRIVILAGE of owning firearms.
A carry permit for a citizen is pretty restricted today, pretty difficult to obtain.

[Nedroj]

Or do you perhaps think that Justine Trudeau is deliberately misleading Canadians with disinformation?

Is your constant use of the name Justine instead of Justin meant to be an insult? Is it somehow insulting to be called a woman?

I thought calling a genetically born male, a female was being inclusive to the left-wing people?
Or is it an insult? I can't tell with today's generation of gender-confused idiots on social media.

[Jonrox]

Is your constant use of the name Justine instead of Justin meant to be an insult? Is it somehow insulting to be called a woman?

I thought calling a genetically born male, a female was being inclusive to the left-wing people?
Or is it an insult? I can't tell with today's generation of gender-confused idiots on social media.

I asked why you're using Justine instead of Justin... why'd you deflect and avoid the question?

[captkirkcanada]

I thought calling a genetically born male, a female was being inclusive to the left-wing people?
Or is it an insult? I can't tell with today's generation of gender-confused idiots on social media.

I asked why you're using Justine instead of Justin... why'd you deflect and avoid the question?

is it deflection or self projecting?

[Glacier]

.....btw.....how many mass slaughters have Australia experienced since the ban?

The same as before the one big shooting. Almost none.

But still some... here you go... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... _Australia

[Andrewski]

Is your constant use of the name Justine instead of Justin meant to be an insult? Is it somehow insulting to be called a woman?

I thought calling a genetically born male, a female was being inclusive to the left-wing people?
Or is it an insult? I can't tell with today's generation of gender-confused idiots on social media.

Sounds like you're the confused one. You can't even show respect to other people and blame them for your ineptitude and lack of understanding?

Classic right winger. Project more insecurities, please.

[liisgo]

The gun legislation didn't do anything in Australia.

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Hmmm...yet there are stats like this.....

The Australian study found that buying back 3,500 guns per 100,000 people correlated with up to a 50 percent drop in firearm homicides and a 74 percent drop in gun suicides.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ics-charts


.....btw.....how many mass slaughters have Australia experienced since the ban?

Foenix, there a lot more particulars at play here that your not recognizing. In all fairness. Australia isnt the hub of organized crime like canada. They do not have the easy, enforcement lacking country we have. Most of all crime and murders here are done with illegal guns. Those guns are very easily acquired for them. Those same guns used by criminals are smuggled from the United States.
JT has stated that this new policy is not directed at law abiding gun owners? Exactly how is this new policy about the smuggling of illegal guns used by criminals? changing the max. jail time for the smuggling of illegal guns into this country is a joke after spending the last 7 years talking about criminals serving less time in jail. And what good is it if we have a legal system that doesn't enforce max. sentencing?
This should be a good discussion ,but already the PM is mis leading the people with mis interpretations and statements.
How does this reduce the amount of crime and smuggled illegal guns in this country?

[Andrewski]

Hmmm...yet there are stats like this.....



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ics-charts


.....btw.....how many mass slaughters have Australia experienced since the ban?

Foenix, there a lot more particulars at play here that your not recognizing. In all fairness. Australia isnt the hub of organized crime like canada. They do not have the easy, enforcement lacking country we have. Most of all crime and murders here are done with illegal guns. Those guns are very easily acquired for them. Those same guns used by criminals are smuggled from the United States.
JT has stated that this new policy is not directed at law abiding gun owners? Exactly how is this new policy about the smuggling of illegal guns used by criminals? changing the max. jail time for the smuggling of illegal guns into this country is a joke after spending the last 7 years talking about criminals serving less time in jail. And what good is it if we have a legal system that doesn't enforce max. sentencing?
This should be a good discussion ,but already the PM is mis leading the people with mis interpretations and statements.
How does this reduce the amount of crime and smuggled illegal guns in this country?

It won't. This is political posturing to tell the United States that we aren't total idiots like they are. This is politically motivated to show the rest of the world we aren't as stupid as the United States and the human rights in our country is taken very seriously. More seriously than individuals rights to own killing tools.

This is a reminder to those Canadians who get upset over gun bans like they're the worst thing to ever happen to this country when the alternative is 19 children getting guned down every second week.

But how can we ever defend ourselves without our guns?!? Like the king of England is coming to get you.

Justice system is to handle crime.
Regulation is to handle mental instability that leads to shootings and suicides.

[Sparki55]

I disagree. Changes like these will help to keep us from embracing the gun culture that has poisoned the US. Although it seems like the new laws won't change much for folks like you, they keep the pervasiveness of gun culture in check.

The problem in the US is that they never made lasting or meaningful changes to gun laws or how they think about guns and it got out of hand.

So although you think these rules do nothing, they actually express our values and potentially shift the way Canadians think about guns. Losing control of the narrative and culture of guns is what has pushed the Americans past the point of no return.

I disagree. Changes like this punish the people willing to take the necessary legal steps to obtain a firearm to shot at game meat and targets.

The proposed changes do nothing to address criminals.

How exactly is "gun culture" affected for legal gun owners?

You're suggesting that legal gun owners can be radicalized to carry out mass shootings, anything to back that up?

[Sparki55]

This is a reminder to those Canadians who get upset over gun bans like they're the worst thing to ever happen to this country when the alternative is 19 children getting guned down every second week.

That's like telling people we need to ban cars because people can drive over others. Somehow owning a gun is less important than a car.

Somehow a car serves a greater purpose that a firearm. Yet there is no definition defining this.

[zoo]

Do these changes/additions to bill 21 exclude certain groups of people like they did before? If assault weapons are allowed for hunting as was the case, depending on who you are, do these new laws allow for exemptions again based on race?
I'm hearing this is about our safety, so it's interesting the safety thing is only a reason when it relates to certain people's.
So from here on in, my attention, my families lives, the discretion to my safety is based on race? Only certain people will have the guns. That seems safe?

[Kodidad]

That's like telling people we need to ban cars because people can drive over others. Somehow owning a gun is less important than a car.

Somehow a car serves a greater purpose that a firearm. Yet there is no definition defining this.

What is the purpose of a gun? Not to wound, maim, cause flesh wounds, bash somebody over the head. No it's to KILL. Either human or animal. A car takes you places, like work, vacation, visit friends and family, pick up groceries.

Here's a definition for you. A car is a means of transportation. A gun is a means of death.