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Pete Podoski wrote:Trudeau lying his greasy *bleep* off to Canadians:


Police should decide limits on guns, not politicians, Trudeau says


Police, not politicians, should decide what restrictions to place on specific kinds of guns, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Tuesday, his Liberal government under renewed pressure to impose an outright ban on semi-automatic rifles.

Trudeau’s comments come after a group of people impacted by last year’s deadly Quebec City mosque shooting – a number of wounded, as well as family members of the six people killed – urged him to outlaw the military-style weapons outright.

He touted provisions of his government’s firearms bill, which once passed would restore the authority of RCMP experts to classify firearms without political influence, repealing cabinet’s authority to overrule Mountie determinations.

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/05/08/police- ... deau-says/


I don't think either or should do it. I think it should be the people of the region in question. Do I have anything in common with some metro whatever gender they are today liberal that has a condo downtown in some city that hires a dog walking company and orders avocado toast? None. Maybe it should be a regional /provincial thing.

BTW...big bore like the 45/70 , lighter cal semi auto 30.06 etc hunting rifles are still legal, so I have to disagree with the poster that a 30 cal is on the banned list now-it isn't....unless it is painted black like the ar30
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C'mon all you assault weapon owners. Do what Michiganders (yes, that's what they're called) did yesterday. They showed up in the state capital with automatic weapons and stormed the state legislature. C'mon, let's see a bunch of automatic toting right-wingers show up on Parliament Hill and show Justin who's right and wrong here. Wave some machine guns around and show who's the boss on this issue.

C'mon. Are ya all talk and no action?
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If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.
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bigtimeoperations wrote:If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.


Won't the police still be armed?
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Merry wrote:
Pete Podoski wrote:Any firearm over 10,000 joules.

That includes any of the larger magnum hunting rifles, Weatherbys, Sakos, Brownings, Winchesters - any brand.

I don't know much about guns (not a gun owner, although my spouse is ), but if the ban includes guns most Canadians use for hunting then I definitely disagree with it.

When I asked my spouse why they might include any firearm over 10,000 joules he said he thinks it might be because such firearms are powerful enough to penetrate a bullet proof vest. And, if that's the criteria, then the ban may well include guns designed for hunting large game such as moose.

As revenue from hunting is the primary source of Conservation funding, this new ban will be a blow to Environmental Conservation in Canada, not to mention the financial harm it will inflict on hunting lodges and just about everything else related to hunting in Canada. All to gain political brownie points, because the criminals and loonies will still own and use guns they obtain illegally.

If the Government wants to ban military style assault rifles, that's one thing. But banning guns legitimately owned by thousands of hunters, and decimating the industry related to hunting in the process, makes no sense. Particularly when all those businesses that profit from hunting are already hurting due to this Covid pandemic.


Military style assault rifle is a Liberal term for black scary gun. Fully automatic rifles are already banned, clips larger than 5 bullets are also banned. Blair said these aren't hunting rifles and Lametti said the first nations people will be allowed to use them for hunting. Not a single word on stopping illegal guns & the criminals that use them.
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90% of the firearms on the list are used for hunting.[/quote]

Hunting what? "Any firearm over 10,000 joules."

Honestly I never really cared how many joules a .30-30 put out but a quick look says 2000joules at 100 yards.

So what's the issue ?[/quote]
10,000J at the muzzle, whata ya think that would be at 100 yards? Apples, oranges. :200:
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See the Springfield M1A1 is now banned. Always wanted a Match grade M1A1. Supposedly pretty accurate for a semi-auto.

Not going to loose any sleep over it though. All my other firearms ( bolt, pump or semi ) are fine.
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Justin Trudeau: "No one needs an AR-15 to take down a deer."

Also Justin Trudeau: "Indigenous people can keep their AR-15s to hunt with."

Huh?

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^^^ That is utter nonsense. If in two years time a non aboriginal gets caught hunting with their mini 30 for example, I'll be the first to donate to a lawyer to try prove racism.( reverse racism perhaps)
Before the end of the year, I bet we'll see the next blockade with no shortage of now banned firearms held by the perpetrators.
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seewood wrote:See the Springfield M1A1 is now banned. Always wanted a Match grade M1A1. Supposedly pretty accurate for a semi-auto.

Not going to loose any sleep over it though. All my other firearms ( bolt, pump or semi ) are fine.
Gun safe is crowded as is.


That's what you think:

"There is also a risk that affected firearms owners may elect to replace their firearms with models unaffected by the ban, causing a market displacement. This risk may be mitigated by adding additional makes and models to the list of prohibited firearms in the future."

Your other firearms will be gone with no vote in Parliament very quickly.

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Question to those that are parliamentary savvy, Can an order in council be overturned easier than passing legislation by a future government?
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techrtr wrote:
Neither can putting a bandaid on your forehead when you're having a heart attack, but it won't make any difference or stop the heart attack.


Well, we shall see won't we? They're banned, and if we don't see anymore mass murders in Canada, our government will be proven right. Hunters still have a lot of firearms to choose from. Gun enthusiasts who feel the need to own a military rifle are sol. Too bad, so sad. There really only has to be one hunting rifle on the market in the world to satisfy the need of hunters.

What a dumb statement. There really only has to be one cell phone on the market in the world to satisfy the need of users....et all.
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techrtr wrote:
Well, we shall see won't we? They're banned, and if we don't see anymore mass murders in Canada, our government will be proven right.


Yes, too bad this legislation came in a few weeks too late. I imagine Wortman sitting in his fake cop car, in his fake RCMP outfit, ready to start his killing spree, and realizing, "oh right, those guns I want to use are all banned now, so I better not use any of them. Guess I'll go back to the party and play some yahtzee instead". The naivete on display here is mind-blowing. I would bet most that are in support of this legislation also thought that Justin was going to actually follow through on his promise in 2015 of electoral reform.

One thing is for sure, people will believe just about anything. If it fits with their inherent confirmation bias.
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seewood wrote:Question to those that are parliamentary savvy, Can an order in council be overturned easier than passing legislation by a future government?

No. Once it's done then it is nearly impossible to get it undone.
Edit...We would need a bunch of sitting Lib MP's to cross the floor at this point now to undo it. Ya...
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