The "everything O'Toole" thread

[captkirkcanada]

While it is true there are no guarantees that a leadership contest would result in a better leader, it is now clear that avoiding a contest will guarantee the Conservatives another loss.

Not if the Liberals keep screwing up.

This pandemic has been going on for two years, yet the Liberals still have not changed their approach, and people are beginning to notice.

It is a Federal responsibility to make sure Canada has enough rapid tests; yet here we are, with not enough to go around. Reminds me of the slow rollout of vaccines early on in the Pandemic. Canada was behind the eight ball then, and Canada is behind the eight ball now. And all the Liberals can do is try to deflect public attention away from their screw up, by casting aspersions on Mr. O’Toole.

Sad.

140 million plus will be here before end of this month, but let us not forget all the provincial public health officers and premiers downplaying the need for rapid tests . the reality makes your post null and void I'm afraid.

[hobbyguy]

While it is true there are no guarantees that a leadership contest would result in a better leader, it is now clear that avoiding a contest will guarantee the Conservatives another loss.

Not if the Liberals keep screwing up.

This pandemic has been going on for two years, yet the Liberals still have not changed their approach, and people are beginning to notice.

It is a Federal responsibility to make sure Canada has enough rapid tests; yet here we are, with not enough to go around. Reminds me of the slow rollout of vaccines early on in the Pandemic. Canada was behind the eight ball then, and Canada is behind the eight ball now. And all the Liberals can do is try to deflect public attention away from their screw up, by casting aspersions on Mr. O’Toole.

Sad.

CPC aficionados conveniently forget that Canada has done pretty darn well through the pandemic with deaths/million better than 93 other countries and 3 times better than the USA, 2 to 3 better than countries like the UK. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

In terms of Canada's approach, it has worked well, if imperfectly. If it ain't broke don't fix it. O'Toole and the blathering twits of the CPC offer nothing but silly sniping.

O'Toole and the CPC offer nothing better, so they keep manufacturing nonsense while choosing to ignore the facts and changing nature of the pandemic. O'Toole himself has become worse than useless, promoting false narratives and trying to give permission license to the anti-vaxxers in his desperation to be relevant and gather up any vote at any cost - and dangerously putting people at risk of losing their lives or becoming disabled.

[fluffy]

O'Toole and the CPC offer nothing better, so they keep manufacturing nonsense while choosing to ignore the facts and changing nature of the pandemic.

That in itself has cost them the last three elections. All they could bring to the table was "Well, look at Trudeau!" without giving us any reason to look at them. Now they're adding stupidity and misinformation to their arsenal. Go Erin, Go.

[Merry]

Not if the Liberals keep screwing up.

This pandemic has been going on for two years, yet the Liberals still have not changed their approach, and people are beginning to notice.

It is a Federal responsibility to make sure Canada has enough rapid tests; yet here we are, with not enough to go around. Reminds me of the slow rollout of vaccines early on in the Pandemic. Canada was behind the eight ball then, and Canada is behind the eight ball now. And all the Liberals can do is try to deflect public attention away from their screw up, by casting aspersions on Mr. O’Toole.

Sad.

CPC aficionados conveniently forget that Canada has done pretty darn well through the pandemic with deaths/million better than 93 other countries and 3 times better than the USA, 2 to 3 better than countries like the UK. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

In terms of Canada's approach, it has worked well, if imperfectly. If it ain't broke don't fix it. O'Toole and the blathering twits of the CPC offer nothing but silly sniping.

O'Toole and the CPC offer nothing better, so they keep manufacturing nonsense while choosing to ignore the facts and changing nature of the pandemic. O'Toole himself has become worse than useless, promoting false narratives and trying to give permission license to the anti-vaxxers in his desperation to be relevant and gather up any vote at any cost - and dangerously putting people at risk of losing their lives or becoming disabled.

Was just watching Bob Fife on Question Period wondering WHY the Government wasted the summer, by not preparing for an anticipated infection surge during the winter months. He pointed out that rapid tests and Booster doses could, and should, have been distributed to the Provinces well in advance of what is traditionally “cold and flu season”. And he’s right about that. They should have been. So why weren’t they?

During the same segment, another participant (don’t remember his name) pointed out that Trudeau demonizing the unvaccinated is just a cheap political shot, that does nothing to solve the problem, and only serves to widen divisions within Canada; divisions that will likely continue long after the Pandemic ends. It was also pointed out that describing the vaccine hesitant as being “racist and misogynist” is totally false, given that the vast majority of the vaccine hesitant are among racialized groups of Canadians.

Is creating hatred between identifiable groups, for purely political purposes, a trait we want to see in a Canadian Prime Minister? I think not.

[Merry]

O'Toole and the CPC offer nothing better, so they keep manufacturing nonsense while choosing to ignore the facts and changing nature of the pandemic.

That in itself has cost them the last three elections. All they could bring to the table was "Well, look at Trudeau!" without giving us any reason to look at them. Now they're adding stupidity and misinformation to their arsenal. Go Erin, Go.

It’s not stupid to think that Rapid tests should be more available and more widely utilized. And it’s not misinformation to think they can help slow the spread of the virus, by allowing those who use them to be aware that they might be contagious and take appropriate steps.

Covid has been with us for two years, and may be here for two more for all we know (hopefully not). But the fact is that we have to find a better solution than just closing everything down every time there’s a surge. Vaccinations play a role, but experts have warned that vaccinations will not, by themselves, get us out of this mess. We need to do MORE than just get people to take a shot.

We need people to wear better quality masks, we need better ventilation in Public indoor spaces, and we need better access to Rapid tests so that people can isolate sooner and avoid spreading the disease. And frankly the Government has done very little to help achieve ANY of those three goals.

We also need to improve the surge capacity in our hospitals. Canada has fewer beds, fewer doctors and fewer nurses per capita than any of the other G7 nations. And that lack of surge capacity is contributing to our current problems almost as much as the virus is.

ALL of the issues I’ve mentioned above need to be addressed. Yet I’ve heard little about ANY of them from our Prime Minister, who seems to prefer over simplifying the problem, by focusing on creating hatred for a particular group of people who need educating, more than vilifying.

Stirring up hatred in order to deflect from your own failings is reprehensible, and solves nothing. Yet it is a tactic the Trudeau Government seems to be adopting more and more as the Pandemic drags on, and they fail to slow it’s spread. It’s long past time for Canadians to refuse to allow themselves to be distracted by such cheap political ploys, and instead demand answers as to WHY methods used successfully in other countries, in addition to vaccinations, have not been deployed here.

[fluffy]

Thank-you for that "Well,look at Trudeau" post in the O'Toole thread.

[Merry]

Thank-you for that "Well,look at Trudeau" post in the O'Toole thread.

It’s impossible to discuss the Liberal’s accusations about Mr. O’Toole’s perceived failings, without discussing the reasons the Liberals are making those accusations. And I’m arguing that the reason the Liberals are doing it, is to deflect public attention from their own failings.

[hobbyguy]

Thank-you for that "Well,look at Trudeau" post in the O'Toole thread.

It’s impossible to discuss the Liberal’s accusations about Mr. O’Toole’s perceived failings, without discussing the reasons the Liberals are making those accusations. And I’m arguing that the reason the Liberals are doing it, is to deflect public attention from their own failings.

Rapid tests are NOT one of them. The government had millions sitting on the shelf and the provinces were NOT using them. This all came up because Doug Ford was looking for political points and offered rapid tests he had no idea how to distribute - and at the wrong time because they don't work!

Answer the question: would you drive your car if the brakes did not work for the first 3 days of driving????? And then only 50% of the time after that????

This is just more CPC furphy making from O'Toole and he is just demonstrating that CPC are wrong for Canada.

[Merry]

It’s impossible to discuss the Liberal’s accusations about Mr. O’Toole’s perceived failings, without discussing the reasons the Liberals are making those accusations. And I’m arguing that the reason the Liberals are doing it, is to deflect public attention from their own failings.

Rapid tests are NOT one of them.

Rapid tests have been used with great success in other countries. Yes, it’s true that they are not as sensitive as PCR tests but, given how long it takes to get a PCR test result back, a positive rapid test result can alert an infected person to take precautions immediately, rather than risk going to work infected while they await a PCR result.

It is only with the arrival of Omicron that some are now questioning using rapid tests, because Omicron appears to propagate in areas that the rapid tests are not currently targeting. However, that problem is being solved by the introduction of a different kind of rapid test, that involves swabbing the mouth as well as the nose. In the meantime, some are advocating doing the same thing with the rapid tests we already have, although there are differences of opinion as to the wisdom of that.

But regardless, the fact is that we don’t have the capacity to give everyone a PCR test so, imperfect as they may be, rapid tests are better than nothing. And they are being used with a great degree of success in many other countries.

So trying to paint Mr. O’Toole as being irresponsible for advocating their greater use here, might end up putting folks like you on the wrong side of history.

[crookedmember]

I don't think our friends on the right understand that rapid tests were provided to the provinces by the feds, but they have been sitting in warehouses undistributed by the provinces. BC has 1.3 million RATS sitting in warehouses. Ontario has millions that are expiring.

One reason they haven't been distributed is they are very unreliable, so if the fool O'Toole is crooning about them, it's just one more sign he's off the rails and putting keeping himself and Becca in the 34 room rent-free mansion ahead of us.

[Merry]

I don't think our friends on the right understand that rapid tests were provided to the provinces by the feds, but they have been sitting in warehouses undistributed by the provinces. BC has 1.3 million RATS sitting in warehouses. Ontario has millions that are expiring.

One reason they haven't been distributed is they are very unreliable, so if the fool O'Toole is crooning about them, it's just one more sign he's off the rails and putting keeping himself and Becca in the 34 room rent-free mansion ahead of us.

It’s true that most Provinces under utilized the Rapid tests earlier in the Pandemic, although I dispute your reasoning as to why they did so. I would argue that it was the result of an overly paternalistic Public Health system, not trusting the General Public to manage their own health. That, and a desire to “protect their own turf”; a trait that humans frequently exhibit in the workplace.

But that said, now the Provinces have been forced by circumstance to reverse their position on rapid tests, the rapid tests are in short supply. And THAT problem falls to the Federal Liberals, who are responsible for procuring and stockpiling them.

Other countries have been able to acquire and store greater numbers of rapid tests than Canada has, so it’s clear that the problem lies more with our Government than with supply. And, despite initial provincial hesitance, it’s been clear for months that the hesitance was lessening. So WHY did the Liberals wait so long before ordering more tests?

That question needs to be asked and answered. And who better to ask it, than the Leader of our Official Opposition? That’s what we’re paying him to do; ask the hard questions.

[crookedmember]

As of December, the Federal government had 107 million rapid tests, with about 90 million of them already distributed to the provinces.

It was up to the provinces to distribute them, and they didn't.

The problem wasn't the Federal government's procurement, it was the failure of the provinces to distribute them, for whatever reasons the health officers had.

[The Green Barbarian]

It is past time for you to stop with your typical right wing smear nonsense about paid DI's and PMO funded social media.

As soon as some truth starts entering these discussions about Erin O'Toole instead of the blatant partisan spin and lies we see constantly, there is nothing to "smear" here, it's all just about pointing out the obvious - there is a campaign here to discredit and prevaricate on behalf of the Liberals, and here we see it yet again, right down to the idiotic and misleading thread title. STOP LYING and try to focus on some truths rather than the constant foolishness and perhaps conclusions can be drawn that don't always lead down the same rabbit hole, to the same source of it all.

[featfan]

I would love to vote Conservative, and would with the fool O'Toole gone.

[Bsuds]

STOP LYING and try to focus on some truths rather than the constant foolishness and perhaps conclusions can be drawn that don't always lead down the same rabbit hole, to the same source of it all.

The Cons blame the Libs and the Libs blame the Cons who both blame the NDP.

Maybe if the politicians focused on what is important to the general population and the country as a whole things would get better instead of that Rabbit hole as you call it.

They are all useless in my opinion!