The "everything O'Toole" thread

[FreeSpirit4Ever]

The fool O'Toole and his minions are pushing unreliable rapid tests as a substitute for a safe and effective vaccine. The provinces' top doctors don't agree, but O'Toole needs a way out of the corner he's painted himself into, and courage isn't an option.

So instead of doing the right thing, he chooses to give Canadians a false sense of security with unreliable tests.

If there was a rapid test for syphilis or AIDS, would you have sex with someone who had just used a test that's wrong half the time?

No? So why would you rely on a RAT to visit grandma in the nursing home?

Apparently both the liberals and conservatives agree on the rapid test so people like yourself trying to politicize it is really not thinking of the community and its greatest interest. The rapid test is merely another layer of protection and a “tool in the toolbox” and all politicians Agree on this. The fact that you were trying to make it something it isn’t it’s quite laughable.

The only false sense of security running around now is that vaccine, and you people are so incensed that it isn’t working and that the “anti vaxxers”were right that you are jumping on any bandwagon to try and save face and it’s not working.

So politicize away nobody really cares. You have absolutely no scientific proof that the rapid test does not work. Isn’t it your team that is always saying “follow the science“? Then debate with some science instead of your political view.

And since when do the top doctors not agree do use the rapid test I guess it’s so bad that’s why they’re distributing it all over British Columbia. Lol

[FreeSpirit4Ever]

Wow, So you keep repeating that the rapid test don’t work but you provided no proof. Why don’t you talk about the test itself and tell us why it doesn’t work you know scientifically speaking. What it did or didn’t do in the USA is not proof of anything because there are many variables and the fact that you think O’Toole is a tool is proof of nothing either. So don’t make statements that the rapid test is no good when you don’t have a flying clue obviously.

Read the articles I linked to. Even the CDC says says rapid tests not very good with Omicron. So now you think the CDC has it wrong???

O'Toole the fool is really annoying the majority of Canadians by pushing nonsense. Here are some letters from the G&M: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... easonable/

"Re Erin O’Toole Urges ‘Reasonable Accommodations’ For Unvaccinated Canadians Amid Omicron Wave (Online, Jan. 6): Did I read this right? Erin O’Toole wants the majority of us fully vaccinated citizens to fund additional measures enabling the unvaccinated to perpetuate this pandemic?

Along with this, we are also being asked to keep our kids home from school, delay thousands of surgeries and pay millions extra in health care dollars to care for unvaccinated individuals who require hospitalization from COVID-19. This is like the principal asking A-students to not only pay for the delinquents’ food, but to take detention for them, too. Except in this case, our lives are at stake.

Mary Lapner Ottawa"

"It is disheartening for me to see Erin O’Toole adopt a divisive narrative on public-health restrictions and vaccine mandates intended to keep Canadians safe.

These are policies grounded in evidence and widely supported by the public. They are critical to slowing the spread of the new COVID-19 variant, reducing serious illness and mitigating the overwhelming of hospitals – with corresponding consequences for Canadians requiring surgeries, tests or other care.

Mr. O’Toole used his first press conference of the new year to defend the unvaccinated and, by extension, lent undeserved credibility to those who spread pandemic misinformation and anger. He could have instead demonstrated leadership by forcefully denouncing threats against health workers, emphasizing the advice of scientists or unambiguously communicating that vaccination is a matter of the public good.

That would have been the responsible choice.

Christopher Holcroft Montreal"

Like I said before: O'Toole is worse than useless - he is a dangerous ignoramus.

Your days of blaming the unvaccinated for everything from soup to nuts are over. Thank God Many of the politicians realize that even the unvaccinated have rights. Yes isn’t that amazing you guys have become so used to the fact that the Bonbons and Adrian’s have your back but now that they know That their precious vaccine is not keeping people out of their precious hospitals then you are no better than the unvaccinated and you better get used to it. There are just as many vaccinated people taking up hospital beds as unvaccinated and if you don’t know that then you must be an American because you seem to quote the CDC an awful lot.

The intelligent choice was to wait and see how this played out because at this point nobody knows what is more dangerous COVID-19 or the vaccine but those of us that did not take the vaccine don’t have to worry about that part of the equation do we? But you have to worry about both of them.

And putting up links that “people who agree with you does not make a scientific argument but you know that.

[crookedmember]

What kind of sloppy and stupid messaging is this?

In this posting O'Toole and the CPC apparently want to see:

1. An end to lockdowns;
2. Restrictions to your liberty; and,
3. The ongoing impact on the mental wellness of our society.

Why does the fool O'Toole want to see restrictions to our liberty, and exactly to which "lockdowns" is he referring?

The CPC truly is the stupid party.

[nucksRnum1]

The fool O'Toole and his minions are pushing unreliable rapid tests as a substitute for a safe and effective vaccine. The provinces' top doctors don't agree, but O'Toole needs a way out of the corner he's painted himself into, and courage isn't an option.

So instead of doing the right thing, he chooses to give Canadians a false sense of security with unreliable tests.

If there was a rapid test for syphilis or AIDS, would you have sex with someone who had just used a test that's wrong half the time?

No? So why would you rely on a RAT to visit grandma in the nursing home?

Beautiful riposte.

[hobbyguy]

The fool O'Toole and his minions are pushing unreliable rapid tests as a substitute for a safe and effective vaccine. The provinces' top doctors don't agree, but O'Toole needs a way out of the corner he's painted himself into, and courage isn't an option.

So instead of doing the right thing, he chooses to give Canadians a false sense of security with unreliable tests.

If there was a rapid test for syphilis or AIDS, would you have sex with someone who had just used a test that's wrong half the time?

No? So why would you rely on a RAT to visit grandma in the nursing home?

Apparently both the liberals and conservatives agree on the rapid test so people like yourself trying to politicize it is really not thinking of the community and its greatest interest. The rapid test is merely another layer of protection and a “tool in the toolbox” and all politicians Agree on this. The fact that you were trying to make it something it isn’t it’s quite laughable.

The only false sense of security running around now is that vaccine, and you people are so incensed that it isn’t working and that the “anti vaxxers”were right that you are jumping on any bandwagon to try and save face and it’s not working.

So politicize away nobody really cares. You have absolutely no scientific proof that the rapid test does not work. Isn’t it your team that is always saying “follow the science“? Then debate with some science instead of your political view.

And since when do the top doctors not agree do use the rapid test I guess it’s so bad that’s why they’re distributing it all over British Columbia. Lol

Once again: https://www.livescience.com/rapid-test- ... infections

"The big question now is, why are the rapid tests less sensitive to the omicron variant? Rapid antigen tests detect proteins on the coronavirus's surface, and as the virus mutates, these proteins can become less recognizable to the test. Once these problem mutations are identified, "adjustments to existing tests can be undertaken by each developer with support from the FDA, if appropriate," FDA spokeswoman Stephanie Caccomo told the Times.

That said, the rapid tests may have a second Achilles heel: The FDA-approved rapid tests are only approved for use in the nose, not the throat or mouth. Anecdotal reports and preliminary studies have hinted that omicron may replicate faster in the mouth and throat than it does in the nose, the Times reported. And the authors of the medRxiv paper found similar results in an analysis of five people in their study who took both nose swab- and saliva-based PCR tests. They found that, in these individuals, the amount of virus in their saliva peaked one to two days before that in their noses. "

https://www.businessinsider.com/rapid-c ... ta-2021-12

"Rapid COVID-19 tests are worse at detecting Omicron, FDA says, citing new lab data

SNIP

The UK Health Security Agency previously said there was "no change in performance" of these tests against Omicron. This was also the position held by the FDA one week ago.

The latest run of experiments changed the agency's mind. In that batch, the FDA used live virus taken from patient samples, which is a good proxy for what is happening in the real world.

SNIP

Even before Omicron emerged, rapid tests were known to be hit or miss.

One review found that these tests were 58% accurate for those who didn't have symptoms and 72% accurate for those who did, Insider previously reported.

Timing of testing is also crucial, as it takes a couple of days for the virus to spread enough in the body to be picked up by a test, Insider's Hilary Brueck and Shayanne Gal previously reported."

And here: https://www.healthline.com/health/how-a ... home-tests

Look at the chart of accuracy detecting people with infection and you will see that the different brands of tests varied between 44.6% and 54.9% accurate - and that was before Omicron!

So yup, there is lots of evidence that rapid tests are poor choice. When I went to school the best grade you would get on a test withe the accuracy results from rapid tests is a D and some of them would get F. Rapid tests give a largely false sense of security. You would drive your car with brakes that only work 50% of the time. The point of tests is stop infectious people from circulating the virus, so in essence rapid tests are brakes that only work half of the time.

In every pandemic there are numerous rumors and conspiracy theories that float around. In 331 BC there was a plague killing Romans - and yup, they had a conspiracy theory where a group of about 170 women were poisoning people. During the black death plagues in the 1400s the conspiracy theory was that Jews were poisoning wells. In the 1990s there was a conspiracy theory (and it still circulates) that AIDS was deliberately created to kill black people.

When "stuff happens" that is random and negative, people will latch onto illogical and strange stuff to look for quick fixes and assign blame. Some of the "cures" people have fallen for are, well, just outrageous - but people still fall for them. How many rhinoceros have died because some goofy people believe that rhino horn will make them more manly??

People have been marketed by big pharma to believe that rapid tests provide a good way to stop the spread of covid. Well, they are perhaps better than nothing, but nowhere near accurate enough to be a good public health strategy. In the face of Omicron, the dubious benefit of rapid tests as a public health measure are even more dubious. That won't stop people from wanting rapid tests, which makes rapid testing a political choice, not a good public health choice or a scientifically sound one.

Joe Biden has been faced with the situation where many Americans, divided mostly along political lines, won't get vaccinated (which is the ONLY effective public health strategy that can end the pandemic other than doing nothing). In that context, rapid testing is good politics and with so many anti-vaxxers "better than nothing". So Biden got on the rapid test train to show he is doing "something" after failing to convince Americans to get vaccinated.

O'Toole jumping aboard that rapid test train of desperation is just unconscionable in the Canadian context. O'Toole is playing politics with people's lives by promoting a very bad desperation option instead of just saying "fer goodness sake get vaccinated!".

Yup, the vaccines are safe and effective. Yup, the vaccines save lives and prevent lots of people from disability. https://www.statista.com/statistics/125 ... on-status/

" Since the start of the vaccination program in Canada in December 2020, around 40,287 unvaccinated Canadians have been hospitalized with a COVID-19 infection, compared to 3,705 fully vaccinated Canadians. This statistic illustrates the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases hospitalized in Canada from December 14, 2020 to December 4, 2021, by vaccination status. "

When looking at that stat remember than about 80% of Canadians are fully vaccinated - so the unvaccinated minority are the ones clogging up the hospitals, preventing my neighbor from getting a hip replacement etc. etc.

O'Toole is just dead wrong in promoting a very poor poor second cousin to good public health policy.

[Pappywinkle]

The fool O'Toole and his minions are pushing unreliable rapid tests as a substitute for a safe and effective vaccine. The provinces' top doctors don't agree, but O'Toole needs a way out of the corner he's painted himself into, and courage isn't an option.

So instead of doing the right thing, he chooses to give Canadians a false sense of security with unreliable tests.

If there was a rapid test for syphilis or AIDS, would you have sex with someone who had just used a test that's wrong half the time?

No? So why would you rely on a RAT to visit grandma in the nursing home?

The fool O'Toole has been in hiding so long he had to come out and do something...anything...to try and convince people that the CPC is even remotely relevant. And with the fool O'Toole's hilariously embarrassing blunders since he came out of hiding, he may have been better off staying hidden.

Trudeau totally baited the fool O'Toole into standing up for anti-vaxxers, and the fool O'Toole took the bait like the sucker he is. The incompetence stemming from O'Toole's big blue outhouse CPC truly is a national embarrassment.

[crookedmember]

It's gotten worse since the CPC hired Canada Proud Boy Jeff Ballingall to pull the fool O'Toole's strings.

O'Toole's Facebook has nothing about policy, no solutions, nothing of educational value . . . it's just wall-to-wall stupid memes that speak to an unsophisticated and uneducated base.

Most people would feel more intellectually stimulated watching a Green Acres marathon, than slogging through O'Toole's numbing social media feeds.

No wonder they're in danger of falling to third place behind the NDP. O'Toole is not a serious leader and the CPC is no longer a serious party.

[Pappywinkle]

It's gotten worse since the CPC hired Canada Proud Boy Jeff Ballingall to pull the fool O'Toole's strings.

O'Toole's Facebook has nothing about policy, no solutions, nothing of educational value . . . it's just wall-to-wall stupid memes that speak to an unsophisticated and uneducated base.

Most people would feel more intellectually stimulated watching a Green Acres marathon, than slogging through O'Toole's numbing social media feeds.

No wonder they're in danger of falling to third place behind the NDP. O'Toole is not a serious leader and the CPC is no longer a serious party.

What an embarrassment the fool O'Toole's facebook page has become. But it shouldn't be surprising that it's full of stupid memes - everyone knows the right can't meme.

Thankfully Canadians have Singh and the NDP to serve as official opposition while O'Toole's CPC focuses on stupid memes for their uneducated base.

[Merry]

WHY are those of you who believe Mr. O’Toole is mistaken about the value of using rapid tests, not also angry about this?

In its last fiscal update, the federal government earmarked $1.7 billion to secure a supply of about 180 million rapid tests.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2022/01/05 ... s-omicron/

And, of course, that $1.7 billion is on top of the money the Liberals previously spent on rapid tests.

WHY, if you truly believe such tests are useless, are you not angry at the Liberals for spending so many of our tax dollars to buy them? Because it makes no sense for you to criticize Mr. O’Toole’s support for such tests, while not simultaneously criticizing the Trudeau Liberal’s obvious belief in their efficacy.

IF, on the other hand, you think the Trudeau Liberals are right to obtain and distribute more of these tests, then you have to agree with Mr. O’Toole that they left it far too late to do so. As evidenced by the current difficulty most people are experiencing getting their hands on one.

You can’t have it both ways.

[Pappywinkle]

IF, on the other hand, you think the Trudeau Liberals are right to obtain and distribute more of these tests, then you have to agree with Mr. O’Toole that they left it far too late to do so. As evidenced by the current difficulty most people are experiencing getting their hands on one.

You can’t have it both ways.

WHY is it seen as impossible that the timing for obtaining and distributing more tests is fine? IFsome provinces handed them out too quickly without educating the public on how/when they should be used, and IFpeople hoarded them or wasted them by not using them properly then its hardly the Liberals fault that they were hoarded or wasted. And then in less than a month the Liberals were ready to give out hundreds of millions more tests to those provinces.

It's strange how it only became 'far too late' after O'Toole came out of hiding to try and snipe at Trudeau. Fortunately, intelligent Canadians know better than to listen to the baseless tossing of excrement that has become far too typical under O'Toole's big blue outhouse.

[crookedmember]

WHY, if you truly believe such tests are useless, are you not angry at the Liberals for spending so many of our tax dollars to buy them? Because it makes no sense for you to criticize Mr. O’Toole’s support for such tests, while not simultaneously criticizing the Trudeau Liberal’s obvious belief in their efficacy.

It's called separation of powers. The Federal government's job is procurement, and the provinces decide when to use which tools, because health care is provincial jurisdiction.

The Federal government buys rapid tests for the same reason it bought more of all four vaccines than we could ever use. To cover all of the bases.

We didn't know which vaccines would be most effective, and we don't know which strains of the virus rapid tests will accurately detect. We now know Omicron isn't one of them.

O'Toole is playing politics with rapid tests as a substitute for vaccination because he lacks the spine to tell his MPs and supporters to get vaccinated. Trudeau's job is to keep us from dying. And we're dying at 1/3rd the rate Americans are.

If O'Toole were serious about helping Canadians, he wouldn't spend his days posting stupid memes meant to divide us.

O'Toole is more concerned with holding on to Stornoway for him and Becca than anything else.

[Merry]

WHY, if you truly believe such tests are useless, are you not angry at the Liberals for spending so many of our tax dollars to buy them? Because it makes no sense for you to criticize Mr. O’Toole’s support for such tests, while not simultaneously criticizing the Trudeau Liberal’s obvious belief in their efficacy.

It's called separation of powers. The Federal government's job is procurement, and the provinces decide when to use which tools, because health care is provincial jurisdiction.

The Federal government buys rapid tests for the same reason it bought more of all four vaccines than we could ever use. To cover all of the bases.

We didn't know which vaccines would be most effective, and we don't know which strains of the virus rapid tests will accurately detect. We now know Omicron isn't one of them.

O'Toole is playing politics with rapid tests as a substitute for vaccination because he lacks the spine to tell his MPs and supporters to get vaccinated. Trudeau's job is to keep us from dying. And we're dying at 1/3rd the rate Americans are.

If O'Toole were serious about helping Canadians, he wouldn't spend his days posting stupid memes meant to divide us.

O'Toole is more concerned with holding on to Stornoway for him and Becca than anything else.

What a load of rubbish!

If Trudeau believes rapid tests are a useful tool, why didn’t he order them sooner? Why did he allow our stockpile to dwindle to the point we’re now experiencing shortages?

If, on the other hand, Trudeau believes the rapid tests are useless, why did he spend billions of our money buying them?

You can’t have it both ways. So which is it?

[Merry]

Politicizing a health issue is a dangerous path to go down, yet it is one certain people seem determined to follow.

All through this Pandemic, everything from vaccines, to masks, to potential treatments, and now rapid tests, has been politicized, rendering it almost impossible to have an evidence based discussion about ANY of those topics.

This in turn risks prolonging the Pandemic, and endangering peoples lives. Yet I see no indication that it’s going to stop any time soon.

At what point did petty partisan politics become more important than getting all the facts?

Sad.

[Pappywinkle]

If Trudeau believes rapid tests are a useful tool, why didn’t he order them sooner? Why did he allow our stockpile to dwindle to the point we’re now experiencing shortages?

If, on the other hand, Trudeau believes the rapid tests are useless, why did he spend billions of our money buying them?

You can’t have it both ways. So which is it?

How much sooner do O'Tooleheads think Trudeau should've ordered more tests? Should they have been in a warehouse 2 months before provinces distributed them? 3 months? 6 months? Or should fiscal responsibility be considered and tests ordered quickly if/when current inventory starts getting exhausted? Quebec got another 600,000 tests TODAY, yet O'Toole the fool and his foolish followers are acting like it's been weeks and months.

Does O'Toole the fool think that provinces should still have the power to distribute tests as they see fit or does he think that the Federal government should force provinces to distribute tests?

O'Toole the fool seems to think that having 140 million more tests available within under a month is a failure, yet had Trudeau spent $1.7 billion a month or two ago the fool O'Toole would've whined that Trudeau was ordering too many tests. The fool O'Toole can't have it both ways.

[hobbyguy]

WHY are those of you who believe Mr. O’Toole is mistaken about the value of using rapid tests, not also angry about this?

In its last fiscal update, the federal government earmarked $1.7 billion to secure a supply of about 180 million rapid tests.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2022/01/05 ... s-omicron/

And, of course, that $1.7 billion is on top of the money the Liberals previously spent on rapid tests.

WHY, if you truly believe such tests are useless, are you not angry at the Liberals for spending so many of our tax dollars to buy them? Because it makes no sense for you to criticize Mr. O’Toole’s support for such tests, while not simultaneously criticizing the Trudeau Liberal’s obvious belief in their efficacy.

IF, on the other hand, you think the Trudeau Liberals are right to obtain and distribute more of these tests, then you have to agree with Mr. O’Toole that they left it far too late to do so. As evidenced by the current difficulty most people are experiencing getting their hands on one.

You can’t have it both ways.

It is dead simple politics. End of story. The Liberals get tired of O'Toole and his buddy Kenney prattling on. Fact: BC has done the best of any large province, and only Nova Scotia and PEI have done better overall to date, despite BC being an "older" province demographically and NOT fiddling around with stupid rapid tests.

You will note that the Liberals have NOT accepted rapid tests in mandate situations like travel.