All things Jagmeet

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Gone_Fishin wrote: Aug 26th, 2021, 11:28 am
hobbyguy wrote: Aug 26th, 2021, 11:23 am

A big duh for CPC aficainados if they read that nonsense into what Jagmeet said.

One thing Jagmeet isn't is stupid. Jagmeet knows full well that O'Toole is running around with a big paint sprayer trying to whitewash the stinky CPC.

Jagmeet and the NDP did not vote in parliament in lockstep with the Liberals, and that is to be expected. There are differences between the NDP unionist stance and the Liberals who take a more balanced approach.

That said, on key votes, such as anti-choice nonsense, climate change, conversion therapy (which most CPC MPs including the disgraced Tracy Gray voted for), seniors rights, improved pensions actually going after corporate tax dodging - Jagmeet and the CPC were diametrically opposed in how they voted, and even more so on why they voted the way they did.

There is, in real fact, almost zero common ground between the NDP and the real (not the whitewashing lipstick spreading "new" O'Toole) CPC. In the unlikely event of CPC minority government, Jagmeet might hang around just long enough to rebuild an election war chest, and then drop the hammer on the shameless, wrongheaded and duplicitous O'Toole and gang. The NDP base will NOT put up with any real cooperation with the shyster O'Toole, and I suspect that as Jagmeet has some principles (unlike the unprincipled O'Toole who lies to his own base), neither will he.

All the rest is grasping at straws by CPC aficionados as the CPC nonsense will melt away the further we get into the tight election. Jagmeet knows better than to place any trust whatsoever in the CPC and their shyster of a leader.
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I am not naive. Jagmeet and the NDP will do what is best for the NDP. It has nothing to do with what goes on with the hard right CPC nor centrist Liberals, it is about the NDP base and future prospects.

Jagmeet is far smarter than CPC aficianados and knows that O'Toole the shyster can not be trusted.
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hobbyguy wrote: Jagmeet and the NDP did not vote in parliament in lockstep with the Liberals, and that is to be expected. There are differences between the NDP unionist stance and the Liberals who take a more balanced approach.

That said, on key votes, such as anti-choice nonsense, climate change, conversion therapy (which most CPC MPs including the disgraced Tracy Gray voted for), seniors rights, improved pensions actually going after corporate tax dodging - Jagmeet and the CPC were diametrically opposed in how they voted, and even more so on why they voted the way they did.

There is, in real fact, almost zero common ground between the NDP and the real (not the whitewashing lipstick spreading "new" O'Toole) CPC. In the unlikely event of CPC minority government, Jagmeet might hang around just long enough to rebuild an election war chest, and then drop the hammer on the shameless, wrongheaded and duplicitous O'Toole and gang. The NDP base will NOT put up with any real cooperation with the shyster O'Toole, and I suspect that as Jagmeet has some principles (unlike the unprincipled O'Toole who lies to his own base), neither will he.
Whether Conservative or Liberal I believe Canadians will be best served with a minority government and strong representation in the opposition. Jagmeet is not going to become PM but he has shown himself to be an effective politician and voice for a large segment of the Canadian population. If there was a chance the NDP would form government I would likely take more pause, but I cannot support the Conservatives or Liberals and at this point I feel quite comfortable with my decision to support our NDP incumbent so we can have another vote available to the opposition.
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hobbyguy wrote: I am not naive.
Your chosen party to support would suggest otherwise.
Jagmeet and the NDP will do what is best for the NDP.
He'll do what he thinks his supporters want. He won't be like Trudeau and do what's for the glory of the Trudeau name, Canadians be damned.
It has nothing to do with what goes on with the hard right CPC nor centrist Liberals, it is about the NDP base and future prospects.
The centrist party in Canada is the CPC. The Liberals are beholden to the extremist values from billionaires like Weston, Bronfman, Morneau, and Irving.
Jagmeet is far smarter than CPC aficianados and knows that O'Toole the shyster can not be trusted.
Jagmeet is far smarter than Trudeau, and recognizes that the stinking albatross Liberals are something he doesn't want to be associated with. He's also smart enough to recognize that Canadians want common sense back in Ottawa, which will come via a CPC minority or perhaps majority if the current momentum keeps up.

Jagmeet doesn't want to be on the outside looking in, because the Kokanee Groper will be out on the curb while the adults take care of the country this time around. Who in their right mind would want to be anywhere near the putrid stench emanating from the loser Justin Trudeau?

It's wise of Jagmeet to extend a hand out to Erin O'Toole, who is clearly the frontrunner in this election. The Liberals may very well be relegated to wallow about with the Greens and PPC when the dust settles, racist birds of a feather will welcome Blackface with open arms.
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Ka-El wrote: Aug 26th, 2021, 11:44 am
hobbyguy wrote: Jagmeet and the NDP did not vote in parliament in lockstep with the Liberals, and that is to be expected. There are differences between the NDP unionist stance and the Liberals who take a more balanced approach.

That said, on key votes, such as anti-choice nonsense, climate change, conversion therapy (which most CPC MPs including the disgraced Tracy Gray voted for), seniors rights, improved pensions actually going after corporate tax dodging - Jagmeet and the CPC were diametrically opposed in how they voted, and even more so on why they voted the way they did.

There is, in real fact, almost zero common ground between the NDP and the real (not the whitewashing lipstick spreading "new" O'Toole) CPC. In the unlikely event of CPC minority government, Jagmeet might hang around just long enough to rebuild an election war chest, and then drop the hammer on the shameless, wrongheaded and duplicitous O'Toole and gang. The NDP base will NOT put up with any real cooperation with the shyster O'Toole, and I suspect that as Jagmeet has some principles (unlike the unprincipled O'Toole who lies to his own base), neither will he.
Whether Conservative or Liberal I believe Canadians will be best served with a minority government and strong representation in the opposition. Jagmeet is not going to become PM but he has shown himself to be an effective politician and voice for a large segment of the Canadian population. If there was a chance the NDP would form government I would likely take more pause, but I cannot support the Conservatives or Liberals and at this point I feel quite comfortable with my decision to support our NDP incumbent so we can have another vote available to the opposition.
I get that. I also am a fan of minority governments.

It does get tricky in a tight election, and Canadian federal elections are currently tight, as one needs to balance that with who you definitely do NOT want to form government.

As an example, if a Green leaning voter sees a tight battle between an NDP candidate and a CPC "oil sands or bust" "pipelines everywhere" candidate in their riding, does it serve their "Green" interests to blindly vote Green and see the anathema CPC candidate win by a few votes. Totally different kettle of fish if the same voter is in a riding where the Green candidate is the incumbent - such as Elizabeth May's riding.

That is a dilemma that all voters who prefer "x" party face in their preferred "x" party's candidate has little chance and their "definitely not" party has a strong chance - do they vote for second choice, or even third choice and have some of their personal worldview interests represented or feed into the prospects of the "definitely not" party candidate.

That effect is what the right wing plays on constantly in Canadian elections, hoping that the three science based and rationality based parties will split the vote, and the right wing can come up the middle. The lack of options on the right works for the political opportunists on the right wing. Except in Quebec, where the slightly right of center but still progressive in many ways Yves Blamchet and the Bloc are a viable alternative, and they clean the clocks of the right wing.

For Jagmeet and the NDP, it is possible for them to work with the Greens, the Liberals and even the Bloc in a productive minority government, but impossible with a right wing government as there just isn't any real common ground.
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hobbyguy wrote: Aug 26th, 2021, 12:07 pm impossible with a right wing government as there just isn't any real common ground.
That's why he doesn't want to work with the racist Trudeau and be beholden to the billionaire extremists like Weston, Irving, Morneau, and Bronfman.

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Gone_Fishin wrote: Aug 26th, 2021, 12:18 pm
hobbyguy wrote: Aug 26th, 2021, 12:07 pm impossible with a right wing government as there just isn't any real common ground.
That's why he doesn't want to work with the racist Trudeau and be beholden to the billionaire extremists like Weston, Irving, Morneau, and Bronfman.

Trudeau's extremist ties are vile and should scare anyone of sound mind away immediately.
One only has to look into Jagmeets back ground and up bring to see another arrogant self entitled spoon feed rich :cuss: no wonder he and Justin get along so good .
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And now ,,,,,,,,, drum roll please
Jagmeet saying he will forgive all student loans if he gets to be PM :swear:
Sure Trudeau will counter with he will forgive all CERB's payments if he get back as PM :cuss:
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https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#344297

Jagmeet now repeating the same old lines about "the rich paying their fair share" - without saying what that amount should be. Of course. What else is new.

It's like the NDP just takes out the same platform every election - let's cut student loans and "tax the rich". Guess what Jagmeet, the "rich" already pay a ton of taxes, and if you raise their rates even more, they are just going to leave. And then you get zero taxes. How do these far Left numbskulls never get it?
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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/f ... d=msedgntp

Jagmeet holds an event in Winnipeg, invites First Nations chiefs to attend, and they endorse the Liberals. Oops....
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Aug 31st, 2021, 10:05 am https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/f ... d=msedgntp

Jagmeet holds an event in Winnipeg, invites First Nations chiefs to attend, and they endorse the Liberals. Oops....
Yeah I was wondering about that.... I’m thinking those FN Chief’s should be advised to give Judy Wilson Raybould a phone call...
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fact-c ... -1.6160193

"Fact check: Is the federal government profiting off student loan interest?"

"NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh's claim is just plain wrong, expert says"

SNIP

"Fact check: False."

So Jagmeet has slipped up and that hurts what should be a serious discussion in Canada. The funding and access to of higher education is a critical factor in people's lives, affecting future incomes, job prospects and income levels.

There is indeed a fair bit of discussion that has been bouncing around in 2021 regarding this complex issue. So what should the objectives be?

- easy access for all students who can qualify
- financial barriers removed
- quality educational opportunities
- avoiding onerous financial hardships for graduates

There are many ways to achieve each of those goals. This article discusses some of them: https://www.brookings.edu/research/less ... n-england/

Student loan interest is not the only issue and in and of itself will not address the core concerns.
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Looking more and more like a Conservative majority, with a distinct possibility that Jagmeet may form the Official Opposition.

The way Trudeau is tanking into oblivion, it's 2011 all over again.

I think that would be a good outcome for Canada, as Erin O'Toole doesn't have an over-blown ego and can work with Jagmeet to ensure that NDP voters get some of the pie.

Trudeau can eat *bleep* in the corner, all by himself, if he even wins Papineau. He'll resign when he loses, as his ego won't let him suck hind teat.
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Jagmeet Singh seen as most competent and trustworthy leader by Vote Compass users

Jagmeet Singh is the most trustworthy and competent federal party leader on offer right now, according to roughly 300,000 people who participated in CBC's Vote Compass online survey.

But Singh's personal popularity doesn't seem to be lifting up his party much.

CBC's poll tracker has the NDP third in polling with just over 20 per cent support, behind the Conservatives (33.7 per cent) and Liberals (31.2 per cent), who appear to be locked in a close race with just over a week until the Sept. 20 election.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/federal- ... li=AAggNb9
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Jagmeet Singh seen as most competent and trustworthy leader by Vote Compass users


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It will be interesting to see how many NDP leaners decide to vote strategically in selected ridings.

Jagmeet is trying to get them not to, but in ridings where the NDP have no chance, will NDP voters prefer to avoid having a CPC hard right candidate "come up the middle"???

Jagmeet has made a good case for the Singh NDP having had a strong influence - but if the CPC wins, that influence goes away.
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