Poll for Humboldt truck driver

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He's being punished and he has the same rights as those that have been allowed to stay in the country after serious crimes - it appears there have been precedents set and there's the problem.
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my5cents wrote:o those who think because Sidhu didn't get up that morning and say "I'm going to kill a slew of people today", that we should not punish him by applying Canadian law to deport him ? Blame, who/what ? "the system" ?, "the trucking industry" ?, "the designer of the intersection", ? etc etc.
Everything that could have lined up bad did.....and he ended up there at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Switch out people here and let's pretend it's oldtrucker that just got his class 1, was thrown into the fray of a leaderless self governed trucking industry and it was oldtrucker-a lifelong Canadian citizen that hit the bus. Should I do life, or be put to death? There is no right or wrong answer with that. Just saying it could have happened to any one of us.
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oldtrucker wrote:Everything that could have lined up bad did.....and he ended up there at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Switch out people here and let's pretend it's oldtrucker that just got his class 1, was thrown into the fray of a leaderless self governed trucking industry and it was oldtrucker-a lifelong Canadian citizen that hit the bus. Should I do life, or be put to death? There is no right or wrong answer with that. Just saying it could have happened to any one of us.
Where do you get "life", "put to death". He'll do 2 months for each person he killed and get zero for the 13 he injured some life changing.

You are a Canadian citizen. The law outlines the parameters for punishment.

He is not a Canadian citizen, the law outlines the parameters for his punishment.

If we are not going to apply the law as it is written then let's change the law.

So do we change the law so that if the "root" offense is disobeying a stop sign that no matter what the consequences of disobeying the stop sign is, the offense is for disobeying the stop sign. It's not escalated to Dangerous Driving ?

"If you go through a stop sign you get a small fine and two points, it doesn't matter what the consequences of your action is."

"If you are speeding, it doesn't matter what happens your offense is speeding"

Some have said "well I've gone through a stop sign and I was lucky, if there had been a vehicle going through the intersection I could have injured or killed someone.

There is a saying "if you aunt had testicles she'd be your uncle"

So, what do you do about the fact that his lawyer lobbied for a lesser sentence "because he faced deportation".

"The lawyer for the then-30-year-old Sidhu noted during sentencing arguments that jail time would mean the commerce graduate wouldn't be allowed to stay in Canada, where he has lived since following his partner who had come over in 2013."

There's another saying "heads I win, tails you loose". Talk about a win win.

So he asks for lenient sentence because he'll be kicked out of the country, then after serving his ridiculously inadequate sentence based, I assume, partially because of that pending deportation, begs not to be deported.

I'll drive him to the airport, bye bye
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^^^ You're right 100% with your observation of the law....maybe I'm just getting soft in my old age. I have sympathy for everyone in this tragedy. I have sympathy for the truck driver because I know how easily it could have happened to him, me, anyone. I can place myself in the position of bus driver for the hockey team and as flatdeck truck driver....I have been both at that very same intersection a few times in my life.
If it were up to me in my fantasy world thinking,.... I'd have the survivors of the accident and the families of the ones that didn't make it make the decision.
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my5cents wrote: I'll drive him to the airport, bye bye
I would be quite happy to help deport any non Canadian who commits a violent crime. Or almost any crime for that matter.
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Bsuds wrote: I would be quite happy to help deport any non Canadian who commits a violent crime.
This incident was devastating for sure, but are we calling a traffic accident a violent crime?
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Ka-El wrote:
Bsuds wrote: I would be quite happy to help deport any non Canadian who commits a violent crime.
This incident was devastating for sure, but are we calling a traffic accident a violent crime?
I don't think a crash that totals a semi, a highway bus, kills 16 and seriously injures 13 could be called non-violent. But,,, the actual act that caused all the carnage and destruction can't really be described as "violent".

However having said that, we can only imagine the violent forces that were in play crushing, breaking, tearing apart, maiming and killing the occupants of that bus.

I don't think the criteria "violent" crime, is really appropriate and that's probably why the law makers described the type of offense in which a non-Canadian could be subject of deportation, as "serious", which seems a better adjective.

As for "accident", that term is not used by authorities to describe a motor vehicle collision anymore. "accident" they felt excuses those responsible for their negligent actions.
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