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techrtr wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 2:09 pm
Think about it - the person they're checking on could be known to possess firearms. They could be sitting in their living room, watching the police approach the house on their monitor, ready to shoot them through closed doors, walls, curtained windows. Hardly sinister - officer survival skill.
Actually, thats a very valid possibility. Never thought of that. Thanks :up:
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bb49 wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 12:55 pm https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/C ... hewan-RCMP

A sad day for police officers.
Jan 1st 2021 two men struck down and killed a Calgary city police officer, not a single word about that incident from either Trudeau or the PMO... Now this horrible incident, and once again not a single word from Trudeau or the PMO. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to feel that neither Trudeau or the PMO want to negatively trigger their politically correct, sjw, woke base by shedding a tear or having any sad feelings whatsoever towards dead cops..
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Hurtlander wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 4:56 pm
bb49 wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 12:55 pm https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/C ... hewan-RCMP

A sad day for police officers.
Jan 1st 2021 two men struck down and killed a Calgary city police officer, not a single word about that incident from either Trudeau or the PMO... Now this horrible incident, and once again not a single word from Trudeau or the PMO. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to feel that neither Trudeau or the PMO want to negatively trigger their politically correct, sjw, woke base by shedding a tear or having any sad feelings whatsoever towards dead cops..
Yup, It does not fit their narrative, I am repulsed by their use of tragedies to further their political ambitions ( if and only if said tragedies fit their needs) They also did not utter a word on Victoria day, but they will appoint a new Governor General to act on the Queen's behalf. We need Gary Larsen back to do dailies on this crew.
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OKkayak wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 3:30 pm
techrtr wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 2:09 pm
Think about it - the person they're checking on could be known to possess firearms. They could be sitting in their living room, watching the police approach the house on their monitor, ready to shoot them through closed doors, walls, curtained windows. Hardly sinister - officer survival skill.
Actually, thats a very valid possibility. Never thought of that. Thanks :up:
Are we are going to play the "could have, should have" game, the person in the house could have a rocket launcher, should the EPD call in an air strike ?

This wasn't a check at an address to attempt to arrest someone wanted for a violent crime, this was a wellness check, concern for the occupant.

They had no right, in doing a "wellness check" to re-aim the video cameras, and certainly not kick in the door. The City of Edmonton will be buying the resident a new door and frame, courtesy of the EPD's actions.

If the police saw signs of a problem through the window, heard something that caused them to conclude there was a problem then there is a reason it's called exigent circumstances. That apparently wasn't the situation, the police left without gaining access to the home.

If every time the police go to an address to effect a wellness check and nobody answers the door they kick in a door, things are completely out of hand.

The question is... is it reasonable ? In this case no.

Even if there was someone home there is no law that says they must answer the door. Next someone is going to say "yes but it was the police". Hey the police that attended didn't apparently want the occupant to know it was the police, figure that out ?
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my5cents wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 5:40 pm

This wasn't a check at an address to attempt to arrest someone wanted for a violent crime, this was a wellness check, concern for the occupant.

If every time the police go to an address to effect a wellness check and nobody answers the door they kick in a door, things are completely out of hand.
Here's a perfect example of police doing a wellness check and what can happen.
https://www.cheknews.ca/vancouver-islan ... ck-672709/
She opened the door and came at the cop with a knife.

On a side note, the media and the natives constantly played up her being native Indian.
They didn't seem to care that the cop could have been seriously injured or even died.
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^^^ sad thing to happen, chances are if she had complied with police officer (more then likely the officer asked for her to drop the knife). She would be alive and well today.
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bb49 wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 8:36 pm
my5cents wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 5:40 pm

This wasn't a check at an address to attempt to arrest someone wanted for a violent crime, this was a wellness check, concern for the occupant.

If every time the police go to an address to effect a wellness check and nobody answers the door they kick in a door, things are completely out of hand.
Here's a perfect example of police doing a wellness check and what can happen.
https://www.cheknews.ca/vancouver-islan ... ck-672709/
She opened the door and came at the cop with a knife.

On a side note, the media and the natives constantly played up her being native Indian.
They didn't seem to care that the cop could have been seriously injured or even died.
Yes that incident was well known and discussed. Many calls police attend can go sideways, traffic stops, domestic disputes, wellness checks etc.

So are you saying they should kick in every door involved in wellness checks ?
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bb49 wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 8:36 pm
my5cents wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 5:40 pm

This wasn't a check at an address to attempt to arrest someone wanted for a violent crime, this was a wellness check, concern for the occupant.

If every time the police go to an address to effect a wellness check and nobody answers the door they kick in a door, things are completely out of hand.
Here's a perfect example of police doing a wellness check and what can happen.
https://www.cheknews.ca/vancouver-islan ... ck-672709/
She opened the door and came at the cop with a knife.

On a side note, the media and the natives constantly played up her being native Indian.
They didn't seem to care that the cop could have been seriously injured or even died.
exactly..............
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my5cents wrote: Jun 14th, 2021, 9:36 am
bb49 wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 8:36 pm
Here's a perfect example of police doing a wellness check and what can happen.
https://www.cheknews.ca/vancouver-islan ... ck-672709/
She opened the door and came at the cop with a knife.

On a side note, the media and the natives constantly played up her being native Indian.
They didn't seem to care that the cop could have been seriously injured or even died.
Yes that incident was well known and discussed. Many calls police attend can go sideways, traffic stops, domestic disputes, wellness checks etc.

So are you saying they should kick in every door involved in wellness checks ?
are you saying the cop is the bad guy here ?
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my5cents wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 5:40 pm
OKkayak wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 3:30 pm
Actually, thats a very valid possibility. Never thought of that. Thanks :up:
Are we are going to play the "could have, should have" game, the person in the house could have a rocket launcher, should the EPD call in an air strike ?

This wasn't a check at an address to attempt to arrest someone wanted for a violent crime, this was a wellness check, concern for the occupant.

They had no right, in doing a "wellness check" to re-aim the video cameras, and certainly not kick in the door. The City of Edmonton will be buying the resident a new door and frame, courtesy of the EPD's actions.

If the police saw signs of a problem through the window, heard something that caused them to conclude there was a problem then there is a reason it's called exigent circumstances. That apparently wasn't the situation, the police left without gaining access to the home.

If every time the police go to an address to effect a wellness check and nobody answers the door they kick in a door, things are completely out of hand.

The question is... is it reasonable ? In this case no.

Even if there was someone home there is no law that says they must answer the door. Next someone is going to say "yes but it was the police". Hey the police that attended didn't apparently want the occupant to know it was the police, figure that out ?
Another armchair expert heard from. Wellness checks can be very dangerous. Have you ever been a cop?
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Hurtlander wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 4:56 pm ...Jan 1st 2021 two men struck down and killed a Calgary city police officer, not a single word about that incident from either Trudeau or the PMO.. ...
A statement was issued from the Prime Minister at the time.
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Fancy wrote: Jun 14th, 2021, 9:57 am
Hurtlander wrote: Jun 13th, 2021, 4:56 pm ...Jan 1st 2021 two men struck down and killed a Calgary city police officer, not a single word about that incident from either Trudeau or the PMO.. ...
A statement was issued from the Prime Minister at the time.
Can you provide a link ? I’ve yet to see anything in print, nor did I hear Trudeau say anything about the incident during his daily drivel from the front steps of his cottage.
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As requested:
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's office issued a statement Monday afternoon.

"Canadians across the country were shocked to hear of the tragic death of Sergeant Andrew Harnett of the Calgary Police. The Prime Minister joins Minister Blair, Commissioner Lucki, and all Canadians in sharing his deepest condolences and heartfelt thoughts with his family and friends, along with the entire policing community who has suffered an irreplaceable loss."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.5860890
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the truth wrote: Jun 14th, 2021, 9:49 am
my5cents wrote: Jun 14th, 2021, 9:36 am
Yes that incident was well known and discussed. Many calls police attend can go sideways, traffic stops, domestic disputes, wellness checks etc.

So are you saying they should kick in every door involved in wellness checks ?
are you saying the cop is the bad guy here ?
Not at all. Some seem to be indicating that because some wellness checks go sideways, it's OK for the Edmonton police to re-aim video cameras and kick in a residential door on the strength of a request for a wellness check.
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:smt045 indeed
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