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Payette would be tough for softies to work for and I bet she would set the bar high on expectations. As a astronaut and the other jobs she held In the space agency, you are surrounded by high achievers with no room for babysitting PC employees or anyone that thinks they should get a PC gold star for showing up. With her ,I can see it would be a expectation for her staff to perform perfectly or get it perfect, or get out. After reading her bio, I wouldn't expect it to be anything else.
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Definitely two outcomes I'll be watching for, where she pops up in the future, and most importantly the spin Justin puts on this.
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impo the next GG should be a House of Commons all party choice... of course fully vetted.
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oldtrucker wrote:Payette would be tough for softies to work for and I bet she would set the bar high on expectations. As a astronaut and the other jobs she held In the space agency, you are surrounded by high achievers with no room for babysitting PC employees or anyone that thinks they should get a PC gold star for showing up. With her ,I can see it would be a expectation for her staff to perform perfectly or get it perfect, or get out. After reading her bio, I wouldn't expect it to be anything else.
I think I understand where you're coming from, and I agree with you.
However, there's also situation awareness, and she didn't have it.
It's essential for that type of job, and a short fuse and bullish nature don't work.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/payett ... -1.5883082

The CBC haters won't hit the link, but this is a pretty good take on the whole sordid affair.
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I agree her personality "type" helped her excel through life into the whole astronaut thing, but you'd assume playing well in close proximity to others is a prerequisite for an astronaut Lol
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bernie428 wrote:
oldtrucker wrote:Payette would be tough for softies to work for and I bet she would set the bar high on expectations. As an astronaut and the other jobs she held In the space agency, you are surrounded by high achievers with no room for babysitting PC employees or anyone that thinks they should get a PC gold star for showing up. With her,I can see it would be an expectation for her staff to perform perfectly or get it perfect, or get out. After reading her bio, I wouldn't expect it to be anything else.
I think I understand where you're coming from, and I agree with you.
However, there's also situation awareness, and she didn't have it.
It's essential for that type of job, and a short fuse and bullish nature don't work.
As an astronaut/armed forces career that type of assertiveness is warranted and required to maintain strict discipline because you are responsible for other people in life or death situations. But as a Governor-General where your responsibilities and objectives are not "life or death" situations, strict army discipline is not needed.
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Anyone else listen to our story teller this am??

The vetting process was followed. Funny, another politician said usually members from each party vet the Governor General. In this case Trudeau felt he was obviously able to do it. He sure thinks he is fooling all of you!! [icon_lol2.gif]
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Nedroj wrote:But as a Governor-General where your responsibilities and objectives are not "life or death" situations, strict army discipline is not needed.
There is no off/on switch for it....it's why she was selected for the jobs she had. Flying and/ or and astronaut stuff is not a skill....it's a discipline- ingrained into the fiber of the persons being. It's just the way she is.
Part of the selection process for the space agency is having excellent communication skills to be able to work fast and efficiently with the other crew.
Not vetted properly?....There was no one else more qualified or accomplished for the job.

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There is no off/on switch for it....it's why she was selected for the jobs she had. Flying and/ or and astronaut stuff is not a skill....it's a discipline- ingrained into the fiber of the persons being. It's just the way she is.
Part of the selection process for the space agency is having excellent communication skills to be able to work fast and efficiently with the other crew.
Not vetted properly?....There was no one else more qualified or accomplished for the job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Payette
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Didn't Chris Hadfield hit space? He doesn't seem to have the same issues.
I might be wrong, but he seems well grounded.
I will disagree with you, it's not a military type job, it's a ambassador type one.
As for vetting, yes, she had good qualities, and obviously some bad ones, but the process was set up, and Trudeau bypassed it.
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bernie428 wrote:
Didn't Chris Hadfield hit space? He doesn't seem to have the same issues.
I might be wrong, but he seems well grounded.
I will disagree with you, it's not a military type job, it's a ambassador type one.
As for vetting, yes, she had good qualities, and obviously some bad ones, but the process was set up, and Trudeau bypassed it.

You are correct. Payette is just a Swat and she was given the position as a Liberal card carrying patronage. Hadfield would have likely been a great choice.

When you leave military or Law Enforcement you quickly come to the conclusion people do not work as you did. When I was asked, or asked someone to do a task. It was done, and no one needed to walk behind you and make sure, or ask you twice to finish it up.

Payette was never military although was trained to be a astronaut. If she had management skills she would have been able to turn people onto knowing how she hads possibly high expectations, and what to do if you are not able to achieve timelines given to accomplish such tasks.

Reality is, she was well educated but that does not give you people skills, or management training. There are ways to get work done that needs to be accomplished without being a totally female dog which appears she is!
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bernie428 wrote: As for vetting, yes, she had good qualities, and obviously some bad ones, but the process was set up, and Trudeau bypassed it.
Yes, and because of that, and because of what an awful disaster she was as a GG, he should be taking the brunt of the blame.
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bb49 wrote:Definitely two outcomes I'll be watching for, where she pops up in the future, and most importantly the spin Justin puts on this.

I blew chunks almost this a.m. He can't believe we all think he followed procedures? He is full of it. The one reporter staged the vetting process question and he had point to express low and to his left he tried to cover.

Terrible, simply terrible!!
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Oh ya, Chris Hadfield would be excellent too.
Maybe she was unhappy with the job and she took it out on others?
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You wanted spin, you got it [icon_lol2.gif]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudea ... -1.5883471

Classic.
Translated...
I ignored the already set up vetting process, and screwed up.
So, I'll set up a new one, with no proof the existing one wasn't good enough, so as to save face.

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