Immigration Ponzi Scheme

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Vacancyrate wrote:Free houses for vets, awesome jobs for everyone, rapidly increasing wages, lots of programs and pensions, average house price 2-3 time average yearly wage...why not have a kid?
If it was true then the birth rate in Sweden, Norway, and other socialist heavens would be going through the roof.

They're not. They're even toying with universal income, and the quality of life there rates first on the planet - and their birth rates are about the same as here.

PS: Free houses? Did you see those houses? The tiny houses in Downtown north are smaller than a condo. You'd be the first complaining that there are not big enough, and people are squished like sardines in there lol.
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oldtrucker wrote:And some want that mentality to come here....why?
Can you comprehend written text? That's not what I said. I said people in awful conditions and poverty are having babies no problem in third-world countries.

It's the same way everywhere in the world - the higher the quality of life, the lower the birth rates are. Hence proving that birth rates have NOTHING to do with financial wellbeing.
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GordonH wrote:Last Federal election the voters of Canada had their chance to give jt a swift kick in the :cuss: and send him packing.
As long as he continues to dangle the carrot of basic universal income with the leader of the ndp jt will continue to beat non-confidence votes.
Conservatives and NDP have exact same policy on immigration.

Flood gates open.

$$$ Import fresh FICO scores $$$
PS: Free houses? Did you see those houses? The tiny houses in Downtown north are smaller than a condo. You'd be the first complaining that there are not big enough, and people are squished like sardines in there lol.
According to you that's perfectly fine to raise a family in a condo that size (insert the you're-not-entitled-to-a-yard point here) and additionally pay about 350,000 dollars for it.

Are you suggesting that if the Canadian Government started giving out small houses on small lots at next to nothing costs to new-Canadian parents and jobs that require no high school that pay about 50/dollars hour and free daycare (or a stay at home parent one of the two) that our birth rate wouldn't rise?

I'll knock up anyone on this forum for a house with a yard for free that will one day be worth 10 million dollars when I retire.
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Even Steven wrote: Can you comprehend written text? That's not what I said. I said people in awful conditions and poverty are having babies no problem in third-world countries.
When 4/5 kids die before they are 16, 3rd world parents tend to take the shotgun approach.

Not to mention access to birth-control, religious aspects etc.
It's the same way everywhere in the world - the higher the quality of life, the lower the birth rates are.
One stat has nothing to do with the other although you are trying to bind them together.

Over the last 30 years it has gotten **much more expensive*** to live in Canada and especially have children. We didn't always bring in 350,000 people a year but now we do. The loss of the stay at home parent, education costs increases and soaring housing costs has slowed our birthrate ***even more*** than normal. When most kids are living at home until the age of 30+ it's hard to keep that birth rate up!
Hence proving that birth rates have NOTHING to do with financial well being.
You are saying that cost of living increases have no bearing on the choice to have a child.

House prices up 30% year over year in Toronto = "Lets have 3 kids! Who cares about how much a 5 bedroom house will cost!"
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Vacancyrate wrote:Are you suggesting that if the Canadian Government started giving out small houses on small lots at next to nothing costs to new-Canadian parents and jobs that require no high school that pay about 50/dollars hour and free daycare (or a stay at home parent one of the two) that our birth rate wouldn't rise?
I highly doubt it. Because the stats around the world suggest otherwise:

Here's a table of birth rates by country.

1 Niger 6.9
2 Somalia 6.1
3 Democratic Republic of the Congo 5.9
4 Mali 5.9
5 Chad 5.7
6 Angola 5.5
7 Burundi 5.4
8 Nigeria 5.4

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97 Peru 2.3
98 Libya 2.2
99 India 2.2
100 Sri Lanka 2.2
101 Tunisia 2.2
102 Myanmar (Burma) 2.2
103 Iran 2.1
104 Mexico 2.1

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163 Netherlands 1.6
164 Liechtenstein 1.6
165 Germany 1.6
167 Norway 1.6
168 Bulgaria 1.6
169 Hungary 1.6
170 Slovakia 1.5
171 Thailand 1.5
172 Switzerland 1.5
174 Canada 1.5

So, by your logic, if financial wellbeing leads to having more babies, are you suggesting people in Niger and Somalia are living the life of luxury with everything going super awesome, free houses, and awesome jobs given to them? Cause their birth rates are MUCH higher than in Canada.

By the same logic, if everything is so awful in Canada as you say, are you saying things in Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden are so awful too? They're the beams of socialism, with free education, free daycare, and the highest unionization in the world - and their birth rates are the same as Canada. They must be awful places to live then, right??? All those awesome things you've mentioned you'd like to have - and their birth rates are the same as ours.
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And if don't like reading the numbers to be proven completely wrong, here's the opening scene of the movie Idiocracy with the same message:

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Vacancyrate wrote:$$$ Import fresh FICO scores $$$
Sums it up.
RE is the driver of the Canadian economy.
Even Steven wrote:Can you comprehend written text? That's not what I said. I said people in awful conditions and poverty are having babies no problem in third-world countries.
And I'm saying (as usual) there is no point to immigration in the year 2021 with a global population of 7.9bil. It's not 1910 with the need to import enough people to set up a farm on every quarter section. Immigration for anything other than skilled people that Canada needs- and not fast food workers or truck drivers, is national suicide. Unless of course you have a bunch of RE that you want to go up in value as fast as possible.
Vacancyrate wrote:Conservatives and NDP have exact same policy on immigration.
The Cons will adopt any blow in the wind policy that will get them at least some votes....they are done and they know it. They will probably never form gov't again anyway, so why not see if they can steal some votes from the other guys with the same plan- they have nothing to lose at this point.
Some may view my politically incorrect opinions as harsh and may be offended by them. Some think political correctness will be our undoing.
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oldtrucker wrote:And I'm saying (as usual) there is no point to immigration in the year 2021
Oh, I forgot we have experts on macro-economics here. I'll let the elders know.
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The point of immigration as it stands now, the come and
be provided for, subsidized model is nothing more than
bringing in a voting base tilted in favour of the political
party that allowed the entry, and provided their funds
in the first place.
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