Graves at Residential schools

[Mrmarvingardens]

This story gives some relief for the media, who for more than a year have been Coviding us to death.
Sad as it is, referring to the deaths as genocide, ethnic cleansing is nonsense as is equating it to deaths in Bosnia, and can be described as piffle.
It has been known for years by the Indian bands there are mass graves at the Kamloops site.
It is also known that tuberculosis was a killer disease that claimed many native members.
Operating since 1898, the school premises are still used as a school and daycare.
The provincial government provided (more) money for the new technology that located the unmarked grave sites.
National day of mourning...flags at half mast..more money for misdeeds of 75 to over 100 years ago tearing down statues won't right the wrongs.
Reporting stories minus a lot of facts is the way of the news media today.Which is unfortunate.
For the future we can and must do better.

[stuphoto]

The same thing can be said for any radiology equipment and probably every other machine on earth.
One x-ray technician knows exactly how to point the camera to capture pretty much any abnormalitie in 99% of their patients, where the next one may only have a 85% chance.

Personally, I do stake my own life in the hands of it's operators every winter I work up north.
They use it to measure and monitor the ice thickness and density. Since they started this process not one truck has broken through the ice.

Measuring ice thickness and density is not the same as identifying what's buried in the ground.

Actually you are right,
One saves lives and is more critical.
However it is the exact same machine being used, and the same technique.

[Babba_not_Gump]

This story concerns me,
https://globalnews.ca/news/7908050/resi ... s-Trudeau/
Trudeau vows "concrete action" after discovery of 215 bodies at former residential school site

Will he be handing out millions? I really hope not.

[Silverstarqueen]

This story concerns me,
https://globalnews.ca/news/7908050/resi ... s-Trudeau/
Trudeau vows "concrete action" after discovery of 215 bodies at former residential school site
Will he be handing out millions? I really hope not.

Issues regarding First Nations, like the clean water projects mentioned by Trudeau, are federal jurisdiction. I should think finding the children who died while in government/church "care" (incarceration) would also be the responsibility of the federal government, unless where a province is involved in its jurisdiction. So likely the federal and provincial governments will be "handing out millions" as you call it, to investigate the handling of these children's lives and deaths. For one thing, I question how the Catholic church is still allowed to be involved in the business of schooling children, with a track record like this?

[sherashera]

This story concerns me,
https://globalnews.ca/news/7908050/resi ... s-Trudeau/
Trudeau vows "concrete action" after discovery of 215 bodies at former residential school site

Will he be handing out millions? I really hope not.

I really hope not either.

[Lesley2525]

This story says 51 deaths were recorded there.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ne ... al-schools
So either someone was very lazy or covering something up.

Here is a quote from the article

This week saw the discovery of something outside Kamloops, B.C., rarely seen in North America, much less in any corner of the developed world: Unmarked and previously forgotten graves, all belonging to children who died at the Kamloops Indian Residential School.

Actually what this is article says is not quite true. Terrible things happened to children and babies in the fairly recent past, especially poor children. .
Here are some very sad examples of mass unmarked graves of children in the first world. Some of the children might have died of abuse (and perhaps all in the Butterbox Baby case) but probably most of the children died of communicable diseases,

At the site of a Catholic home for unwed mothers in Ireland it is believed hundreds of babies and children are buried in unmarked graves.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... in-ireland

In Scotland a terrible Catholic run orphanage took in 11,600 disadvantaged children between 1864 and 1981. It is believed 400 children are buried in unmarked graves at the site.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... stitution.


Workhouses in England lasted until 1930. Many adults and children suffered and died in these appalling places, and were buried in unmarked paupers graves, if you were very poor there was no place else to go, Children were separated from their parents. In Dicken's novel Oliver Twist, the main character started in a workhouse. Similar places in Scotland were called Poorhouses.
https://youtu.be/gMobWOWh5RI


The following account of the unmarked graves of 700 children in Newfoundland isn't quite as disturbing as the others since it is believed the children were mostly buried by their families. Most of the names of the children and babies have been found in Catholic church records, but 250 were buried under aliases such as "baby girl White" or simply "baby boy."
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/monument- ... -1.3138677


Nova Scotia is home to the horrendous "butterbox babies" affair. Not Catholics this time, but a couple of shady Seventh Day Adventists ran a home for unwed mothers. "Babies who were considered 'unadoptable', either because of skin color or health issues, were left to die and buried in the woods behind the Home or dumped into the ocean" They sold the other babies. Netflix made a drama about it, and several books have been written about it.
https://youtu.be/j-DSosDBUZg

[PoplarSoul]

Will he be handing out millions? I really hope not.

Why not?
Can't you spare a dime?
As a taxpayer that's about how much it will cost you.

[sherashera]

Will he be handing out millions? I really hope not.

Why not?
Can't you spare a dime?
As a taxpayer that's about how much it will cost you.

Sorry Natives get more than enough from our government already. So no I won't be happy about our tax dollars going towards this. It happened 100 years ago.

[Brass Monkey]

Sorry Natives get more than enough from our government already. So no I won't be happy about our tax dollars going towards this. It happened 100 years ago.

The government hasn’t even paid for the land that you created your livelihood on. There’s 2.6 trillion to be paid out.

Residential schools and the atrocities that happened within them are more recent than a 100 years ago. Charlie Wenjack only died escaping his school in 1966.

You disgrace the residential school survivors in our communities by pretending they are not alive today.

[rustled]

Residential schools and the atrocities that happened within them are more recent than a 100 years ago. Charlie Wenjack only died escaping his school in 1966.

What happened to Chanie Wenjack was terrible. He died after the adults in the families of the kids with whom he ran away allowed him to continue on alone, on foot, in October. It is easier to place all of the blame for his death on the adults at Chanie's day school and his boarding house, than it is to acknowledge the several adults who actually knew he was leaving on foot, in October, alone, and allowed him to make the attempt.

Many First Nations children were abused while they were boarding out - often forcibly - to attend day schools and residential schools, and far too many in ways that would have been considered abuse in the context of the times during which these abuses happened. The adults responsible for those abuses should most certainly be held accountable, as should those who stood by knowing what was happening.

We don't yet know the circumstances of all of the children buried here, and we may never know. But IMO it simply isn't respectful to remodel them all into a montage and "see" them all blended together the only way folk today see "Charlie" Wenjack. The poster child of "Charlie" Wenjack is more real to people than the little boy Chanie Wenjack, whose real life and real death no longer seem to matter quite enough.

It seems to me we must, as best we can, see each of these children as individuals.

[stuphoto]

*removed*

[Brass Monkey]

What happened to Chanie Wenjack was terrible. He died after the adults in the families of the kids with whom he ran away allowed him to continue on alone, on foot, in October. It is easier to place all of the blame for his death on the adults at Chanie's day school and his boarding house, than it is to acknowledge the several adults who actually knew he was leaving on foot, in October, alone, and allowed him to make the attempt.

He died trying to escape the residential school he was interned in. He died trying to escape the school, not the family that fostered him and gave him some food and supplies for his journey. To blame his death on the family that did not intern him in that school is appalling and quite surprising coming from you who I consider to be a more moderate member of the forum.

We don't yet know the circumstances of all of the children buried here, and we may never know. But IMO it simply isn't respectful to remodel them all into a montage and "see" them all blended together the only way folk today see "Charlie" Wenjack. The poster child of "Charlie" Wenjack is more real to people than the little boy Chanie Wenjack, whose real life and real death no longer seem to matter quite enough.

I know that 3 men in my ancestral lineage attended that school and 1 of them has not been heard from since his internment in that school. This doesn't lead me to believe that the school in Kamloops was any better than the more notorious ones out East.

[Babba_not_Gump]

Will he be handing out millions? I really hope not.

Why not?
Can't you spare a dime?
As a taxpayer that's about how much it will cost you.

If that was the only dime Trudeau was sucking out of me, then yes, I could spare it.

Here, for your educational purposes:
Canada's deficit,
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/0 ... on-january
$268,000,000,000. Or $6,700 for every man, woman and child.
And that is as of last January, and it's climbing.

How many dimes can you spare?

[GordonH]

^^^ I could be wrong here, I believe our debt is round 1.1 trillion dollars.

[normaM]

Of course Govt should pay, it created Residential Schools. Instead of lowering flags JT should be speeding up the process already before the Courts re settlements instead of using stalling tactics