Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate

[The Green Barbarian]

It seems evident to me that this is the sort of illogical thinking behind the rise of anti-Semitism in Canada.

You nailed it Rustled. This whole anti-Israel schtick is all deeply rooted in the Left's rabid hatred of Jews. Their hate is palpable, as the leader of the Canadian Green Party found out the hard way. Truly despicable.

[Brass Monkey]

Exactly. Or evil. Why does the Left hate Jewiah people so much?

If you don’t hate a guy like Yonatan Yosef then you’ve got bigger problems to work on.

[rustled]

It seems evident to me that this is the sort of illogical thinking behind the rise of anti-Semitism in Canada.

You nailed it Rustled. This whole anti-Israel schtick is all deeply rooted in the Left's rabid hatred of Jews. Their hate is palpable, as the leader of the Canadian Green Party found out the hard way. Truly despicable.

I'm beginning to see this. For example:

If you don’t hate a guy like Yonatan Yosef then you’ve got bigger problems to work on.

It seems to me we're expected to base our "feelings" about Israel on "a guy like Yonatan Yosef", and make it all about hate. Strikes me as the same irrational expectations of shared intolerance and bigotry we were once united to fight against.

It's truly terrible to see it making a comeback, and even worst to see people who consider themselves "progressive" tripping all over themselves to excuse their promotion of it.

[Brass Monkey]

You've sidestepped the question.

A quarter of Israel's population is non-Jewish, a sixth Arab. Their rights are protected in Israel.

Israel has displaced 3x as many Palestinians and refused their right of return as their are Arabs in Israel - while insisting that Jews who have never stepped foot in Israel have a birthright to Israel.

If one of the Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs held the same public beliefs as Yonatan Yosef and wanted every non-Wet'suwet'en removed from Moricetown, would it then be appropriate to use the term "apartheid community" to describe the community of Moricetown? If not, why should we rely on the actions of self-described Zionist as an excuse for using the term "apartheid state" to describe Israel?

If Wet’suwet’en members were forcibly removing non-indigenous from their communities under the protection of the head of state then I would say it is apartheid.

What makes it ok to use a term with undertones of intolerance and hatred to describe Israel, when it would be illogical to use the same term with undertones of intolerance and hatred to describe other similar communities?

Because you haven’t listed a similar community.

It seems evident to me that this is the sort of illogical thinking behind the rise of anti-Semitism in Canada.

I think it’s because after 50 years people of the Western World are, with the help of technology, seeing first hand how Israeli law protects Jewish settlement and emboldens the removal of Arab settlements within Israel’s borders.

[Brass Monkey]

It seems to me we're expected to base our "feelings" about Israel on "a guy like Yonatan Yosef", and make it all about hate.

You could base it on Israel’s displacement of approximately 5-6 million external and internal Arab refugees and their promotion of Jewish-only settlement through national law.

[rustled]

You've sidestepped the question.

A quarter of Israel's population is non-Jewish, a sixth Arab. Their rights are protected in Israel.

Israel has displaced 3x as many Palestinians and refused their right of return as their are Arabs in Israel - while insisting that Jews who have never stepped foot in Israel have a birthright to Israel.

I'll look into what you're claiming here about "right of return". While I suspect it's more complicated than the way you've stated it here, I could be wrong. Always something to learn!

If one of the Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs held the same public beliefs as Yonatan Yosef and wanted every non-Wet'suwet'en removed from Moricetown, would it then be appropriate to use the term "apartheid community" to describe the community of Moricetown? If not, why should we rely on the actions of self-described Zionist as an excuse for using the term "apartheid state" to describe Israel?

If Wet’suwet’en members were forcibly removing non-indigenous from their communities under the protection of the head of state then I would say it is apartheid.

Are you referring to the removal of people who lost their court battle to remain on land they've been occupying, yet refuse to leave? If so, it seems unlikely to me you'd refer to it as apartheid if a non-indigenous person lost a similar court battle to remain on First Nations land they'd been occupying, yet refused to leave, and was forcibly removed.

I find the double standard applied to Israel highly problematic.

[rustled]

It seems to me we're expected to base our "feelings" about Israel on "a guy like Yonatan Yosef", and make it all about hate.

You could base it on Israel’s displacement of approximately 5-6 million external and internal Arab refugees and their promotion of Jewish-only settlement through national law.

Another gross oversimplification - and again, easily contrasted to see how double-standards are applied.

And still: making it all about hate. Intolerance of an entire people. Seems to me we were once united in thinking this sort of intolerant bigotry and hatred were wrong. Terrible to see it being "justified" now.

[Brass Monkey]

Are you referring to the removal of people who lost their court battle to remain on land they've been occupying, yet refuse to leave? If so, it seems unlikely to me you'd refer to it as apartheid if a non-indigenous person lost a similar court battle to remain on First Nations land they'd been occupying, yet refused to leave, and was forcibly removed.

I find the double standard applied to Israel highly problematic.

I’m referring to the original 700,000 Palestinian refugees and the millions of their sons and daughters who are at present being denied their return to their homelands because of Israeli law - while Israeli law protects a birthright for Jews to return to Israel even if they cannot trace any habitation of Israel in their lineage.

[Brass Monkey]

Another gross oversimplification - and again, easily contrasted to see how double-standards are applied.

And still: making it all about hate. Intolerance of an entire people. Seems to me we were once united in thinking this sort of intolerant bigotry and hatred were wrong. Terrible to see it being "justified" now.

United in one sense and divided in another. United in condemning fascism and totalitarianism / authoritarianism. Divided in where we stand on how we justify or condemn the lawful or unjust occupation of peoples lands.

[rustled]

Are you referring to the removal of people who lost their court battle to remain on land they've been occupying, yet refuse to leave? If so, it seems unlikely to me you'd refer to it as apartheid if a non-indigenous person lost a similar court battle to remain on First Nations land they'd been occupying, yet refused to leave, and was forcibly removed.

I find the double standard applied to Israel highly problematic.

I’m referring to the original 700,000 Palestinian refugees and the millions of their sons and daughters who are at present being denied their return to their homelands because of Israeli law - while Israeli law protects a birthright for Jews to return to Israel even if they cannot trace any habitation of Israel in their lineage.

I have yet to discover whether your interpretation of law as presented here is accurate.

Regardless, I find it highly unlikely indeed that my response to that law will include using it as justification for the using language and terms that promote stereotyping and hatred against an entire people.

[rustled]

Another gross oversimplification - and again, easily contrasted to see how double-standards are applied.

And still: making it all about hate. Intolerance of an entire people. Seems to me we were once united in thinking this sort of intolerant bigotry and hatred were wrong. Terrible to see it being "justified" now.

United in one sense and divided in another. United in condemning fascism and totalitarianism / authoritarianism. Divided in where we stand on how we justify or condemn the lawful or unjust occupation of peoples lands.

When your version of uniting to condemn wrong involves another wrong - using stereotypes and loaded terms likely to promote hatred to describe an entire group of people - count me out.

If the hatred, intolerance and bigotry of anti-Semitism do form the dividing line between where you stand and where I stand, that is a line I'm not prepared to cross.

Instead, I invite you to cross back from intolerance and bigotry and hatred to the place where we all were, before we learned intolerance, bigotry, prejudice, stereotyping and hatred required for anti-Semitism.

[Brass Monkey]

When your version of uniting to condemn wrong involves another wrong - using stereotypes and loaded terms likely to promote hatred to describe an entire group of people - count me out.

I haven’t employed a single stereotype.

If the hatred, intolerance and bigotry of anti-Semitism do form the dividing line between where you stand and where I stand, that is a line I'm not prepared to cross.

I haven’t said a single anti-Semitic trope or said I support it.

Instead, I invite you to cross back from intolerance and bigotry and hatred to the place where we all were, before we learned intolerance, bigotry, prejudice, stereotyping and hatred required for anti-Semitism.

Yes and then I can be like the Canadians of the early 1900s and turn a blind eye to Israeli settlement over unprotected peoples lands.

[rustled]

When your version of uniting to condemn wrong involves another wrong - using stereotypes and loaded terms likely to promote hatred to describe an entire group of people - count me out.

I haven’t employed a single stereotype.

You've used a specific person as an example of why we should share your view, along with loaded language.

If the hatred, intolerance and bigotry of anti-Semitism do form the dividing line between where you stand and where I stand, that is a line I'm not prepared to cross.

I haven’t said a single anti-Semitic trope or said I support it.

You certainly seem to be justifying anti-Semitism.

Instead, I invite you to cross back from intolerance and bigotry and hatred to the place where we all were, before we learned intolerance, bigotry, prejudice, stereotyping and hatred required for anti-Semitism.

Yes and then I can be like the Canadians of the early 1900s and turn a blind eye to Israeli settlement over unprotected peoples lands.

You can be like anyone who stands against injustice without justifying the use of loaded language, and without suggesting we should join you in hating "a guy like Yonatan Yosef".

[Brass Monkey]

You've used a specific person as an example of why we should share your view, along with loaded language.

This specific person is empowered by the Israeli government. It is no longer a matter of individualism when the government emboldens it.

You certainly seem to be justifying anti-Semitism.

I think you might be conflating anti-radical zionism and anti-semitism.

You can be like anyone who stands against injustice without justifying the use of loaded language, and without suggesting we should join you in hating "a guy like Yonatan Yosef".

Yonatan Yosef is cut from the same cloth as those who believe that America belongs to the whites, the same as those who believed Germany belonged to the whites. There are ethnic nationalists in every nation but it seems Israeli’s get a pass on it.

[rustled]

You've used a specific person as an example of why we should share your view, along with loaded language.

This specific person is empowered by the Israeli government. It is no longer a matter of individualism when the government emboldens it.

While I'm not prepared to take your description here as accurate, I'd also suggest there's no reason to be intolerant of any group of people because of what their government does or does not do.

Choosing not seeing people as individuals is the basic requirement for prejudice, bigotry and intolerance.

You certainly seem to be justifying anti-Semitism.

I think you might be conflating anti-radical zionism and anti-semitism.

You're here in this thread about anti-Semitism in Canada, presenting arguments and excuses intended to justify the increase in anti-Semitism.

You can be like anyone who stands against injustice without justifying the use of loaded language, and without suggesting we should join you in hating "a guy like Yonatan Yosef".

Yonatan Yosef is cut from the same cloth as those who believe that America belongs to the whites, the same as those who believed Germany belonged to the whites. There are ethnic nationalists in every nation but it seems Israeli’s get a pass on it.

Your "Israelis get a pass on it" complaint promotes the notion that Israelis are Yonatan Yosef, someone you ask us to hate. I find your statements in this thread rife with intolerance bigotry, stereotyping and prejudice against Israelis. I find little evidence you see them as individuals, and plenty of evidence you see them all as guilty of crimes against Arabs. This is seriously problematic, IMO - a terrible backsliding to embrace and promote the intolerance and bigotry that leads to hatred. Nothing good can come of it.