Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
-
- Insanely Prolific
- Posts: 81229
- Joined: Sep 16th, 2010, 9:13 am
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
You nailed it Rustled. This whole anti-Israel schtick is all deeply rooted in the Left's rabid hatred of Jews. Their hate is palpable, as the leader of the Canadian Green Party found out the hard way. Truly despicable.
"The western far Left is habitually the most stupid, naive people you can imagine. They come up with these really goofy constructs and it's all about feeling good about yourself." - James Carville
-
- Grand Pooh-bah
- Posts: 2801
- Joined: Jul 9th, 2014, 6:50 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
If you don’t hate a guy like Yonatan Yosef then you’ve got bigger problems to work on.The Green Barbarian wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:32 am Exactly. Or evil. Why does the Left hate Jewiah people so much?
“I have reason to believe that the agents as a whole … are doing all they can, by refusing food until the Indians are on the verge of starvation, to reduce the expense." - Sir John A. MacDonald
-
- Buddha of the Board
- Posts: 23886
- Joined: Dec 26th, 2010, 12:47 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
I'm beginning to see this. For example:The Green Barbarian wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:39 amYou nailed it Rustled. This whole anti-Israel schtick is all deeply rooted in the Left's rabid hatred of Jews. Their hate is palpable, as the leader of the Canadian Green Party found out the hard way. Truly despicable.
It seems to me we're expected to base our "feelings" about Israel on "a guy like Yonatan Yosef", and make it all about hate. Strikes me as the same irrational expectations of shared intolerance and bigotry we were once united to fight against.Brass Monkey wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:40 am If you don’t hate a guy like Yonatan Yosef then you’ve got bigger problems to work on.
It's truly terrible to see it making a comeback, and even worst to see people who consider themselves "progressive" tripping all over themselves to excuse their promotion of it.
Provoking shame and assigning blame are endeavours of the small-minded. - John Zada
-
- Grand Pooh-bah
- Posts: 2801
- Joined: Jul 9th, 2014, 6:50 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
Israel has displaced 3x as many Palestinians and refused their right of return as their are Arabs in Israel - while insisting that Jews who have never stepped foot in Israel have a birthright to Israel.
If Wet’suwet’en members were forcibly removing non-indigenous from their communities under the protection of the head of state then I would say it is apartheid.rustled wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:34 am If one of the Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs held the same public beliefs as Yonatan Yosef and wanted every non-Wet'suwet'en removed from Moricetown, would it then be appropriate to use the term "apartheid community" to describe the community of Moricetown? If not, why should we rely on the actions of self-described Zionist as an excuse for using the term "apartheid state" to describe Israel?
Because you haven’t listed a similar community.
I think it’s because after 50 years people of the Western World are, with the help of technology, seeing first hand how Israeli law protects Jewish settlement and emboldens the removal of Arab settlements within Israel’s borders.
“I have reason to believe that the agents as a whole … are doing all they can, by refusing food until the Indians are on the verge of starvation, to reduce the expense." - Sir John A. MacDonald
-
- Grand Pooh-bah
- Posts: 2801
- Joined: Jul 9th, 2014, 6:50 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
You could base it on Israel’s displacement of approximately 5-6 million external and internal Arab refugees and their promotion of Jewish-only settlement through national law.
“I have reason to believe that the agents as a whole … are doing all they can, by refusing food until the Indians are on the verge of starvation, to reduce the expense." - Sir John A. MacDonald
-
- Buddha of the Board
- Posts: 23886
- Joined: Dec 26th, 2010, 12:47 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
I'll look into what you're claiming here about "right of return". While I suspect it's more complicated than the way you've stated it here, I could be wrong. Always something to learn!Brass Monkey wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:48 amIsrael has displaced 3x as many Palestinians and refused their right of return as their are Arabs in Israel - while insisting that Jews who have never stepped foot in Israel have a birthright to Israel.
Are you referring to the removal of people who lost their court battle to remain on land they've been occupying, yet refuse to leave? If so, it seems unlikely to me you'd refer to it as apartheid if a non-indigenous person lost a similar court battle to remain on First Nations land they'd been occupying, yet refused to leave, and was forcibly removed.Brass Monkey wrote:If Wet’suwet’en members were forcibly removing non-indigenous from their communities under the protection of the head of state then I would say it is apartheid.rustled wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:34 am If one of the Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs held the same public beliefs as Yonatan Yosef and wanted every non-Wet'suwet'en removed from Moricetown, would it then be appropriate to use the term "apartheid community" to describe the community of Moricetown? If not, why should we rely on the actions of self-described Zionist as an excuse for using the term "apartheid state" to describe Israel?
I find the double standard applied to Israel highly problematic.
Provoking shame and assigning blame are endeavours of the small-minded. - John Zada
-
- Buddha of the Board
- Posts: 23886
- Joined: Dec 26th, 2010, 12:47 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
Another gross oversimplification - and again, easily contrasted to see how double-standards are applied.Brass Monkey wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:50 amYou could base it on Israel’s displacement of approximately 5-6 million external and internal Arab refugees and their promotion of Jewish-only settlement through national law.
And still: making it all about hate. Intolerance of an entire people. Seems to me we were once united in thinking this sort of intolerant bigotry and hatred were wrong. Terrible to see it being "justified" now.
Provoking shame and assigning blame are endeavours of the small-minded. - John Zada
-
- Grand Pooh-bah
- Posts: 2801
- Joined: Jul 9th, 2014, 6:50 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
I’m referring to the original 700,000 Palestinian refugees and the millions of their sons and daughters who are at present being denied their return to their homelands because of Israeli law - while Israeli law protects a birthright for Jews to return to Israel even if they cannot trace any habitation of Israel in their lineage.rustled wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:57 am Are you referring to the removal of people who lost their court battle to remain on land they've been occupying, yet refuse to leave? If so, it seems unlikely to me you'd refer to it as apartheid if a non-indigenous person lost a similar court battle to remain on First Nations land they'd been occupying, yet refused to leave, and was forcibly removed.
I find the double standard applied to Israel highly problematic.
“I have reason to believe that the agents as a whole … are doing all they can, by refusing food until the Indians are on the verge of starvation, to reduce the expense." - Sir John A. MacDonald
-
- Grand Pooh-bah
- Posts: 2801
- Joined: Jul 9th, 2014, 6:50 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
United in one sense and divided in another. United in condemning fascism and totalitarianism / authoritarianism. Divided in where we stand on how we justify or condemn the lawful or unjust occupation of peoples lands.rustled wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:58 am Another gross oversimplification - and again, easily contrasted to see how double-standards are applied.
And still: making it all about hate. Intolerance of an entire people. Seems to me we were once united in thinking this sort of intolerant bigotry and hatred were wrong. Terrible to see it being "justified" now.
“I have reason to believe that the agents as a whole … are doing all they can, by refusing food until the Indians are on the verge of starvation, to reduce the expense." - Sir John A. MacDonald
-
- Buddha of the Board
- Posts: 23886
- Joined: Dec 26th, 2010, 12:47 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
I have yet to discover whether your interpretation of law as presented here is accurate.Brass Monkey wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 11:21 amI’m referring to the original 700,000 Palestinian refugees and the millions of their sons and daughters who are at present being denied their return to their homelands because of Israeli law - while Israeli law protects a birthright for Jews to return to Israel even if they cannot trace any habitation of Israel in their lineage.rustled wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:57 am Are you referring to the removal of people who lost their court battle to remain on land they've been occupying, yet refuse to leave? If so, it seems unlikely to me you'd refer to it as apartheid if a non-indigenous person lost a similar court battle to remain on First Nations land they'd been occupying, yet refused to leave, and was forcibly removed.
I find the double standard applied to Israel highly problematic.
Regardless, I find it highly unlikely indeed that my response to that law will include using it as justification for the using language and terms that promote stereotyping and hatred against an entire people.
Provoking shame and assigning blame are endeavours of the small-minded. - John Zada
-
- Buddha of the Board
- Posts: 23886
- Joined: Dec 26th, 2010, 12:47 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
When your version of uniting to condemn wrong involves another wrong - using stereotypes and loaded terms likely to promote hatred to describe an entire group of people - count me out.Brass Monkey wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 11:24 amUnited in one sense and divided in another. United in condemning fascism and totalitarianism / authoritarianism. Divided in where we stand on how we justify or condemn the lawful or unjust occupation of peoples lands.rustled wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 10:58 am Another gross oversimplification - and again, easily contrasted to see how double-standards are applied.
And still: making it all about hate. Intolerance of an entire people. Seems to me we were once united in thinking this sort of intolerant bigotry and hatred were wrong. Terrible to see it being "justified" now.
If the hatred, intolerance and bigotry of anti-Semitism do form the dividing line between where you stand and where I stand, that is a line I'm not prepared to cross.
Instead, I invite you to cross back from intolerance and bigotry and hatred to the place where we all were, before we learned intolerance, bigotry, prejudice, stereotyping and hatred required for anti-Semitism.
Provoking shame and assigning blame are endeavours of the small-minded. - John Zada
-
- Grand Pooh-bah
- Posts: 2801
- Joined: Jul 9th, 2014, 6:50 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
I haven’t employed a single stereotype.
I haven’t said a single anti-Semitic trope or said I support it.
Yes and then I can be like the Canadians of the early 1900s and turn a blind eye to Israeli settlement over unprotected peoples lands.
“I have reason to believe that the agents as a whole … are doing all they can, by refusing food until the Indians are on the verge of starvation, to reduce the expense." - Sir John A. MacDonald
-
- Buddha of the Board
- Posts: 23886
- Joined: Dec 26th, 2010, 12:47 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
You've used a specific person as an example of why we should share your view, along with loaded language.
You certainly seem to be justifying anti-Semitism.
You can be like anyone who stands against injustice without justifying the use of loaded language, and without suggesting we should join you in hating "a guy like Yonatan Yosef".Brass Monkey wrote:Yes and then I can be like the Canadians of the early 1900s and turn a blind eye to Israeli settlement over unprotected peoples lands.
Provoking shame and assigning blame are endeavours of the small-minded. - John Zada
-
- Grand Pooh-bah
- Posts: 2801
- Joined: Jul 9th, 2014, 6:50 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
This specific person is empowered by the Israeli government. It is no longer a matter of individualism when the government emboldens it.
I think you might be conflating anti-radical zionism and anti-semitism.
Yonatan Yosef is cut from the same cloth as those who believe that America belongs to the whites, the same as those who believed Germany belonged to the whites. There are ethnic nationalists in every nation but it seems Israeli’s get a pass on it.
“I have reason to believe that the agents as a whole … are doing all they can, by refusing food until the Indians are on the verge of starvation, to reduce the expense." - Sir John A. MacDonald
-
- Buddha of the Board
- Posts: 23886
- Joined: Dec 26th, 2010, 12:47 pm
Re: Anti-Semitism in Canada - More Leftist hate
While I'm not prepared to take your description here as accurate, I'd also suggest there's no reason to be intolerant of any group of people because of what their government does or does not do.Brass Monkey wrote: ↑Sep 10th, 2021, 12:14 pmThis specific person is empowered by the Israeli government. It is no longer a matter of individualism when the government emboldens it.
Choosing not seeing people as individuals is the basic requirement for prejudice, bigotry and intolerance.
You're here in this thread about anti-Semitism in Canada, presenting arguments and excuses intended to justify the increase in anti-Semitism.
Your "Israelis get a pass on it" complaint promotes the notion that Israelis are Yonatan Yosef, someone you ask us to hate. I find your statements in this thread rife with intolerance bigotry, stereotyping and prejudice against Israelis. I find little evidence you see them as individuals, and plenty of evidence you see them all as guilty of crimes against Arabs. This is seriously problematic, IMO - a terrible backsliding to embrace and promote the intolerance and bigotry that leads to hatred. Nothing good can come of it.Brass Monkey wrote:Yonatan Yosef is cut from the same cloth as those who believe that America belongs to the whites, the same as those who believed Germany belonged to the whites. There are ethnic nationalists in every nation but it seems Israeli’s get a pass on it.
Provoking shame and assigning blame are endeavours of the small-minded. - John Zada