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Pappywinkle wrote: Dec 4th, 2021, 9:24 am
AlienSoldier wrote: Dec 4th, 2021, 9:20 am That is basically what Trudeau did when he bought the TMX and has been expanding it. It should be operational by 2023 as per the TMX website.
Yup. Albertans are so lucky to have the Trudeau government working so hard to keep their economy afloat after the UCP totally ruined it.
^^^^^^ THIS
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When it comes to living in Alberta, half of Canadians outside province aren't keen to find out, poll finds


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nucksRnum1 wrote: Dec 4th, 2021, 2:34 pm
Pappywinkle wrote: Dec 4th, 2021, 9:24 am
Yup. Albertans are so lucky to have the Trudeau government working so hard to keep their economy afloat after the UCP totally ruined it.
^^^^^^ THIS
This...is a prevarication...obviously. Is that what you meant?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bakx-o ... -1.6271537

The Federal and Provincial governments are about to walk a very fine line. Regulations are about to be relaxed, which will allow major oil sand extractors to release tailing pond waters back into the environment. The release of these partially treated waters will result in water containing significant amounts of toxic materials being released into the environment.

Industry and government officials state that while the treated effluent contains toxic materials at levels higher than the surrounding environment the discharge is safe because it will be diluted by its surroundings. This points out the huge cavalier attitude which the industry and the Alberta government has had towards the environment. The Alberta government has ignored orphan wells, reduced environmental standards, and as a result allowed environmentalists to put extreme pressure on the oil sands.

Canada and the world depends on 40% of the oil produced for the production of medicines, fabrics, and building and packaging materials. Petroleum based products are essential to our life and health. Alberta and the Federal government need to require full treatment of the tailing pond discharges. Federal support of the industry and Alberta should be contingent on that. In that way the industry becomes cleaner more environmentally friendly. It is also important to note that many of the toxic materials present in the tailings have commercial applications. Therefore, the future costs may well be balanced against future returns. It is time for Alberta and the Federal government to take a principal end stand; support the petroleum industry and the environment.
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erinmore3775 wrote: Dec 6th, 2021, 8:45 am https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bakx-o ... -1.6271537

The Federal and Provincial governments are about to walk a very fine line. Regulations are about to be relaxed, which will allow major oil sand extractors to release tailing pond waters back into the environment. The release of these partially treated waters will result in water containing significant amounts of toxic materials being released into the environment.

Industry and government officials state that while the treated effluent contains toxic materials at levels higher than the surrounding environment the discharge is safe because it will be diluted by its surroundings. This points out the huge cavalier attitude which the industry and the Alberta government has had towards the environment. The Alberta government has ignored orphan wells, reduced environmental standards, and as a result allowed environmentalists to put extreme pressure on the oil sands.

Canada and the world depends on 40% of the oil produced for the production of medicines, fabrics, and building and packaging materials. Petroleum based products are essential to our life and health. Alberta and the Federal government need to require full treatment of the tailing pond discharges. Federal support of the industry and Alberta should be contingent on that. In that way the industry becomes cleaner more environmentally friendly. It is also important to note that many of the toxic materials present in the tailings have commercial applications. Therefore, the future costs may well be balanced against future returns. It is time for Alberta and the Federal government to take a principal end stand; support the petroleum industry and the environment.
Looking at the article, the volume of stored toxic water is eye popping.

"The tailings ponds in northern Alberta, adjacent to oilsands mines, store about 1.4 trillion litres of waste water. That's the equivalent volume of more than 560,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools, which would stretch from Edmonton to Melbourne, Australia, and back if placed end-to-end."

The other factoid that struck me is that it takes 4 barrels of water to produce 1 barrel of bitumen.

At a time when water is becoming a scarce resource in many parts of the world, like California, the numbers give pause for thought.

The other thing that strikes me is the thought, "...and people worry about a small volume of nuclear waste from safe nuclear power...". Investments in the oil sands are staggering, The peak years saw investments running around $80 billion per year. I wonder how many safe nuclear power plants could have been built... perhaps Jason Kenney is onto something with his expressed interest in developing safe nuclear energy in Alberta.,

Meanwhile, these tailing ponds are massive problem.
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The worst part is that these ponds were actual wildlife ponds 50-60 years ago when there was less environmental accountability.
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And people complain about dog owners not scooping.
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Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways

As a public service I have herein drawn up a concise — some might even say terse — table of the most explicit contrasts between Alberta and Quebec.

There is nothing new here, but as an aid to easy reference and quick digestion it is my hope it will prove of some utility.


• Alberta signed the Canadian Constitution. Quebec did not sign the Canadian Constitution.

• Quebec believes it can amend the Constitution even if it affects other provinces. Alberta accepts that it can’t.

• Quebec can import oil from Saudi Arabia. Alberta can export oil from Canada only with great difficulty.

• Quebec is a recipient of federal equalization money. Alberta is a giver of federal equalization money.

• In Quebec the federal government does all it can to help that province’s economy. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. (See SNC-Lavalin.) In Alberta the frequently proclaimed goal of the federal government is to shut down the province’s largest industry, and until that is accomplished, to box in its resources and carbon-tax the living daylights out of them.

• Quebec regularly sends a band of separatist politicians to the national Parliament. Alberta hasn’t started doing that. Yet.

• And the most significant contrast: Quebec is a nation. Alberta is a province (so far).

Now let us go on to more narrow territory, a particular. Quebec can and has reassigned a teacher for wearing a hijab. It has created quite a storm because this action is seen as discrimination on the grounds of religion.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wishes to remain out of this battle, off the field, a spectator.

On this differential, here are the prime minister’s words: While he is “deeply” opposed to Bill 21, his government “won’t step into the legal challenge taking place in Quebec in order to avoid triggering a fight with the province over jurisdiction.”
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/r ... d=msedgntp
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That's the thing about conservatives and alberta. They cant negotiate worth *bleep* - and they can't win unless they cheat. Whereas Quebec knew how to negotiate - and have a party that is in the federal government and can prop up the minority Liberals. That must sting eh?
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 16th, 2021, 4:54 pm
Rex Murphy: How are Alberta and Quebec treated differently? Let me count the ways

As a public service I have herein drawn up a concise — some might even say terse — table of the most explicit contrasts between Alberta and Quebec.

There is nothing new here, but as an aid to easy reference and quick digestion it is my hope it will prove of some utility.


• Alberta signed the Canadian Constitution. Quebec did not sign the Canadian Constitution.

• Quebec believes it can amend the Constitution even if it affects other provinces. Alberta accepts that it can’t.

• Quebec can import oil from Saudi Arabia. Alberta can export oil from Canada only with great difficulty.

• Quebec is a recipient of federal equalization money. Alberta is a giver of federal equalization money.

• In Quebec the federal government does all it can to help that province’s economy. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. (See SNC-Lavalin.) In Alberta the frequently proclaimed goal of the federal government is to shut down the province’s largest industry, and until that is accomplished, to box in its resources and carbon-tax the living daylights out of them.

• Quebec regularly sends a band of separatist politicians to the national Parliament. Alberta hasn’t started doing that. Yet.

• And the most significant contrast: Quebec is a nation. Alberta is a province (so far).

Now let us go on to more narrow territory, a particular. Quebec can and has reassigned a teacher for wearing a hijab. It has created quite a storm because this action is seen as discrimination on the grounds of religion.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wishes to remain out of this battle, off the field, a spectator.

On this differential, here are the prime minister’s words: While he is “deeply” opposed to Bill 21, his government “won’t step into the legal challenge taking place in Quebec in order to avoid triggering a fight with the province over jurisdiction.”
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/r ... d=msedgntp
Rex isn't up to date. Trudeau is moving toward a legal challenge of bill 21.

Rex also forgets his history, guess his memory is either failing or selective. Alberta had an opportunity with Trudeau senior to get a pipeline to eastern Canada - and they rejected it out of hand. That forced Quebec, Ontario and Atlantic Canada to cut deals with OPEC. Alberta literally drove eastern and Atlantic away as customers and said "let the eastern bastads freeze in the dark".

Alberta has always, always been guilty of short term thinking made worse by acting out of a misplaced sense of grievance and blaming others. Now Alberta wants Ontario and Quebec as customers - after having told them to screw off. Not exactly a good set of sales tactics - especially as Alberta constantly whines about Quebec and Ontario. Let's see, I'm working as a salesman, I want to get a client's business, so I tell them to screw off, I tell them they are idiots, and I keep telling them they are idiots. Chances of getting that business??? About zero.
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Interesting developments going on in Ottawa and Edmonton. While for many, it may seem the oddest pairing for teamwork:

Sonya Savage: https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-ne ... rth-metals

"Energy Minister Sonya Savage tabled a bill in the legislature on Thursday that, if passed, would move the regulation of all mineral and rare earth mining and development under the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) from start to finish. She also presented a plan to develop the industry in the province as global demand for the sector is set to increase by 500 per cent in the next several decades."

Justin Trudeau: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politic ... nvestment/

"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wants to make Canada a global leader in the production of batteries for electric cars, and has asked for a review of investment legislation to protect industry from hostile foreign investors.

Innovation Minister François-Philippe Champagne will be working to unlock the country’s large rare-earth mineral deposits to put Canada at the forefront of supplying the world with these elements, vital to electric vehicles, smartphones, high-tech equipment and military hardware.

The Prime Minister included those instructions to Mr. Champagne among mandate letters released to his ministers two months after the recent federal election."

And interestingly, there is also a Saskatchewan connection through the construction of a rare earth metals processing plant for the concentrate, and an indigenous led enterprise to mine the rare earth metals - without tailings ponds! https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ra ... -1.5993809

I have no idea if it is commercially viable, but there are also rare earth materials present in the waste streams from oil sands production....

Maybe in 5-10 years we will see Sonya Savage and Justin Trudeau doing a duet about the wonders of battery electric vehicles lol.

Seriously though, this is all good news. Politicians actually working to develop new industries, new jobs for everyday folks, and jobs that are relevant for the next generations. Just shows that if politicians put aside their silly games, they can indeed make moves that offer a brighter future for all.
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hobbyguy wrote: Dec 17th, 2021, 8:33 am
Rex also forgets his history, guess his memory is either failing or selective. Alberta had an opportunity with Trudeau senior to get a pipeline to eastern Canada - and they rejected it out of hand. That forced Quebec, Ontario and Atlantic Canada to cut deals with OPEC. Alberta literally drove eastern and Atlantic away as customers and said "let the eastern bastads freeze in the dark".
Talk about revisionist history, with a dash of lying by omission. The way you tell it, Alberta just suddenly and with no reason decided to pee all over Eastern Canada with no underlying reason or motivation. Such utter garbage. The reason Alberta was so angry was that in 1980 they had the disgusting and stupid Liberals under Justin's evil dad and the house-plant IQ Marc Lalonde force the National Energy Policy down Alberta's throat. After that anal-raping, Alberta is to be blamed for "not cutting a deal" with "Trudeau Sr." Seriously? That's like saying that the Jews could have avoided Auschwitz if they had just "cut a deal" with Himmler. Just such stupidity being displayed here with your version of historical events. So silly.
Alberta has always, always been guilty of short term thinking made worse by acting out of a misplaced sense of grievance and blaming others.
And yet it was the Liberals under Justin's evil dad who were the ones guilty of not just "short term" thinking, but blatantly stupid thinking, in enacting the NEP, out of some misplaced sense of grievance and blaming others. And general arrogance, something we see in spades today with the current Liberals. It was reported that Keith Davey, chief Liberal strategist at the time, said the following: ‘Screw the West, we’ll take the rest.’” Sounds about right, and exactly what the current Liberals are saying. Such horrible filth.

https://boereport.com/2015/10/06/rememb ... the-elder/
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 17th, 2021, 10:32 am
hobbyguy wrote: Dec 17th, 2021, 8:33 am
Rex also forgets his history, guess his memory is either failing or selective. Alberta had an opportunity with Trudeau senior to get a pipeline to eastern Canada - and they rejected it out of hand. That forced Quebec, Ontario and Atlantic Canada to cut deals with OPEC. Alberta literally drove eastern and Atlantic away as customers and said "let the eastern bastads freeze in the dark".
Talk about revisionist history, with a dash of lying by omission. The way you tell it, Alberta just suddenly and with no reason decided to pee all over Eastern Canada with no underlying reason or motivation. Such utter garbage. The reason Alberta was so angry was that in 1980 they had the disgusting and stupid Liberals under Justin's evil dad and the house-plant IQ Marc Lalonde force the National Energy Policy down Alberta's throat. After that anal-raping, Alberta is to be blamed for "not cutting a deal" with "Trudeau Sr." Seriously? That's like saying that the Jews could have avoided Auschwitz if they had just "cut a deal" with Himmler. Just such stupidity being displayed here with your version of historical events. So silly.
Alberta has always, always been guilty of short term thinking made worse by acting out of a misplaced sense of grievance and blaming others.
And yet it was the Liberals under Justin's evil dad who were the ones guilty of not just "short term" thinking, but blatantly stupid thinking, in enacting the NEP, out of some misplaced sense of grievance and blaming others. And general arrogance, something we see in spades today with the current Liberals. It was reported that Keith Davey, chief Liberal strategist at the time, said the following: ‘Screw the West, we’ll take the rest.’” Sounds about right, and exactly what the current Liberals are saying. Such horrible filth.

https://boereport.com/2015/10/06/rememb ... the-elder/
I followed that whole thing very closely at the time, and there was a deal to be had. Alberta simply started the whole thing off with a huge chip on their shoulders, Western Standard "Bible Bill" style nonsense. So now I just laugh when digits like Rex mumble about Quebec buying Saudi crude and cry in the oil sands.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 3rd, 2021, 9:03 am
AlienSoldier wrote: Dec 3rd, 2021, 9:00 am
With Trudeau's support to get more oil to markets :)
Yes, if one thing is consistent and constant over the decades, it's been the Trudeau family supporting Alberta. :up:
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vegas1500 wrote: Dec 17th, 2021, 8:23 pmAlberta doesn’t want Notley. Her reign was the start of our decline.
That's a stupid way of seeing things. Notley was cursed with what most progressive governments eventually faced. Notley had to clean up a pigsty mess after 40 years of conservative complacency.

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