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foenix wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 10:03 am

Hmmm.....too bad Albertans disagree with you about that.
LOL - again with the stupid polls. As we saw in the federal election, polls are really meaningless. Even though it's fun when you see loser political figures like Joe Biden falling to basically a zero approval rating, it's still a long way to the next election so who really cares.
Ouch!! I'm thinking Albertans are wishing for those glorious Rachel Notley days.
They are experiencing the Rachel Notley glory days right now, with her being as far away from power as possible, where she and her gang of baristas and Hugo Chavez-wannabe meat-heads should be.
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fluffy wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 7:24 am Kenney is all about "an angry voter is not a thinking voter", the basis of "modern" conservatism.
This is absolutely true, which is why the only people still desperately clinging to the blight of the disastrous Kenney are "non-thinking" voters. No one who sits down to think things through would ever vote UCP as they've proven completely incompetent.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 8:17 am
It's actual "modern" progressives (regressives who have terrible policies that cause nothing but mass human suffering like Alberta saw under the NDP) who are rotten to the core. They already have become a blight and a pestilence everywhere they have been, and disgusting as well. They need to stop causing so much pain on our society, and go do what they do best, collect welfare and do absolutely nothing.
Seems to me GB, that there really isn’t that many true blue ‘conservatives’ left in this world anymore. However, some want change just for the sake of change but give no quarter to ever actually improving a given situation.

What I see is that almost everyone buys into the notion of moving forward and improving society. What we think is the best approach to get there is the issue. i.e.

Right Wing = pragmatic, calculated progressivism

whereas;

Left wing = emotional, feel good progressivism.
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YzzzR1 wrote: Seems to me GB, that there really isn’t that many true blue ‘conservatives’ left in this world anymore.
That's Darwinism at work. More and more people are coming to realize we are not going to solve or even effectively address the problems facing us today using the same kind of thinking that created them.
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YzzzR1 wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 10:45 am
The Green Barbarian wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 8:17 am
It's actual "modern" progressives (regressives who have terrible policies that cause nothing but mass human suffering like Alberta saw under the NDP) who are rotten to the core. They already have become a blight and a pestilence everywhere they have been, and disgusting as well. They need to stop causing so much pain on our society, and go do what they do best, collect welfare and do absolutely nothing.
Seems to me GB, that there really isn’t that many true blue ‘conservatives’ left in this world anymore. However, some want change just for the sake of change but give no quarter to ever actually improving a given situation.

What I see is that almost everyone buys into the notion of moving forward and improving society. What we think is the best approach to get there is the issue. i.e.

Right Wing = pragmatic, calculated progressivism

whereas;

Left wing = emotional, feel good progressivism.
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Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 10:58 am More and more people are coming to realize we are not going to solve or even effectively address the problems facing us today using the same kind of thinking that created them.
This is true, Ka-El.

Yet after decades of predominately emotional, feel-good style of progressivism, we still see people trying to convince us we just need to ramp up the emotional, feel-good progressivism. These folk really don't seem to realize we are not going to solve anything using the same kind of emotional, feel-good progressivism thinking shaped where we are now.
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rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 11:08 am Yet after decades of predominately emotional, feel-good style of progressivism, we still see people trying to convince us we just need to ramp up the emotional, feel-good progressivism. These folk really don't seem to realize we are not going to solve anything using the same kind of emotional, feel-good progressivism thinking shaped where we are now.
I don't think anyone with a brain would label the trucker pity parade as 'progressivism', despite the overly emotional rhetoric about 'freedoms'. These trucker pity parade folks don't seem to realize they're not going to solve anything using the same kind of emotional, hate-filled "progressivism" thinking that makes the vast majority of Canadians hold their noses at the un-Canadian Maverick/Wexit party and their board of grifters.
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rustled wrote: Yet after decades of predominately emotional, feel-good style of progressivism, we still see people trying to convince us we just need to ramp up the emotional, feel-good progressivism.
Yes, by now we're all aware of your propensity to displace responsibility for negative outcomes due to decades of neoliberal policy to so-called progressive policies. This is a very popular strategy from the far right but more and more people are starting to see through this facade as well.
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Yet after decades of predominately emotional, feel-good style of progressivism, we still see people trying to convince us we just need to ramp up the emotional, feel-good progressivism. These folk really don't seem to realize we are not going to solve anything using the same kind of emotional, feel-good progressivism thinking shaped where we are now.
Alberta has never had a progressive govt.If they did have one, they would not be in the mess they are headed for.
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captkirkcanada wrote: Jan 18th, 2022, 4:40 am Battle lines drawn, the teachers are ready for war with the UCP


https://mydigimag.rrd.com/publication/? ... &ver=html5
Thanks for posting this - just another great example of why the union industrial model doesn't work for public education. Unionized teachers are bad for everyone, including teachers.
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Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 11:20 am
rustled wrote: Yet after decades of predominately emotional, feel-good style of progressivism, we still see people trying to convince us we just need to ramp up the emotional, feel-good progressivism.
Yes, by now we're all aware of your propensity to displace responsibility for negative outcomes due to decades of neoliberal policy to so-called progressive policies.
The topic isn't "what rustled always does that 'we' don't like", Ka-El. Maybe try not to make it about me and what you think of me.

:topic: This is the usual deflection required by emotional, feel-good progressivism: rather than acknowledge that for decades our public policies have been increasingly formed and influenced by emotional, feel-good style progressivism - even in Alberta! - displace responsibility by accusing someone else of displacing responsibility. Pretend it's all someone else's fault. Ignore how this applies, in reality, to how we got to where we are today, including in Alberta:
Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 10:58 amMore and more people are coming to realize we are not going to solve or even effectively address the problems facing us today using the same kind of thinking that created them.
Fewer people are accepting the "save the planet from climate change" narrative promulgated by emotional, feel-good progressivism, Albertans included.

More and more people in Alberta and elsewhere are jaded by the manipulation, and are turning back toward what YzzzR1 referred to as more pragmatic, calculated progressivism.

Attempting to re-manipulate these Albertans into supporting more of the same emotional, feel-good "thinking" that created today's problems with new "save the planet from neo-liberalism" messaging that seeks to deflect from reality may not prove particularly successful.
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rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 12:10 pm This is the usual deflection required by emotional, feel-good progressivism: rather than acknowledge that for decades our public policies have been increasingly formed and influenced by emotional, feel-good style progressivism - even in Alberta!
I'd say especially in Alberta, given how easily Albertan voters are manipulated by right parties to believe provincial governments control global oil prices and the constant hatred for Quebec. Thankfully Albertan voters have realized how terrible Kenney's UCP has been for Albertan families and will surely give them the boot to return to prosperous days of NDP governance.
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rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 12:10 pm
More and more people in Alberta and elsewhere are jaded by the manipulation, and are turning back toward what YzzzR1 referred to as more pragmatic, calculated progressivism.
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....and what exactly is that, again? Can you give us one example of this pragmatic calculated progressivism?
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rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 12:10 pm

Attempting to re-manipulate these Albertans into supporting more of the same emotional, feel-good "thinking" that created today's problems with new "save the planet from neo-liberalism" messaging that seeks to deflect from reality may not prove particularly successful.
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Well said.

And yet another thread gets sucked into the nonsensical "neo-liberalism" pit of hell. This is supposed to be a thread about Alberta, so I'll try and lug this back on topic from the usual suspect thread derailers...

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-ne ... among-kids

Good job in working to get these vax rates up! :up:
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Ka-El wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 11:20 am
rustled wrote: Yet after decades of predominately emotional, feel-good style of progressivism, we still see people trying to convince us we just need to ramp up the emotional, feel-good progressivism.
Yes, by now we're all aware of your propensity to displace responsibility for negative outcomes due to decades of neoliberal policy to so-called progressive policies. This is a very popular strategy from the far right but more and more people are starting to see through this facade as well.
Well said.

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Pappywinkle wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 12:19 pm
rustled wrote: Jan 25th, 2022, 12:10 pm This is the usual deflection required by emotional, feel-good progressivism: rather than acknowledge that for decades our public policies have been increasingly formed and influenced by emotional, feel-good style progressivism - even in Alberta!
I'd say especially in Alberta, given how easily Albertan voters are manipulated by right parties to believe provincial governments control global oil prices and the constant hatred for Quebec. Thankfully Albertan voters have realized how terrible Kenney's UCP has been for Albertan families and will surely give them the boot to return to prosperous days of NDP governance.
Well said.

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