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"Guilbeault disputes that and says he wants to work with all provinces and territories to make sure the regulations work for everyone and also reduce emissions."

Also...

"But he says allowing Alberta to have special treatment under the regulations would not be fair to the rest of the country."

Danielle has to convince the majority of other Premiers to stand with her on making sure the regulations work for everyone. We don't know what inter-provincial deal-making politics are already in play.

I hope I'm still alive in 2035 to see how this ends. Maybe I won't have to wait until then. How long until the next federal election, 2 years and 3 weeks...?

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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Sep 30th, 2023, 11:36 am Yes ALBERTA , the backbone of the country and I can’t for the life of me comprehend why people want to slam it very single day .
It's not that complicated George. Sure, oil is a money maker, but it's dirty money. The goal is to reduce GHG emissions and seek out alternative energy sources. Danielle Smith is purposefully moving in the opposite direction, of course she's going to get slammed.
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fluffy wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 4:12 am
George Orwell 1984 wrote: Sep 30th, 2023, 11:36 am Yes ALBERTA , the backbone of the country and I can’t for the life of me comprehend why people want to slam it very single day .
It's not that complicated George. Sure, oil is a money maker, but it's dirty money. The goal is to reduce GHG emissions and seek out alternative energy sources. Danielle Smith is purposefully moving in the opposite direction, of course she's going to get slammed.
Sorry dear the dirty money was in Ottawa but I doubt there is any left. I love ALBERTA oil , you should too.
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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 6:32 am I love ALBERTA oil , you should too.
I do, to a point. The industry treated a couple of members of my family, and a whole bunch of others, quite well but the science is against the industry now. Selling off our collective futures for the sake of short term profits is no longer seen as a smart play. And Ms. Smith putting a moratorium on a thriving alternative energy sector has to be the bonehead maneuver of the decade, and for what ? Does she actually think she can pressure the feds into changing their stance on emissions reduction ? She's setting herself up for a Danielle vs. the environment fight and that's not one she can win. The far right is leaving covid restrictions behind as their raison d'etre, and latching onto climate change denial instead. That's not likely to win many elections.
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IMO, anyone who can write "but the science is against the industry", and not recognize the incongruity of suggesting "the science" takes sides, has adopted a religious stance toward environmental stewardship.

This is particularly ironic:
...environmentalists argue the ads are misleading because they don't make it clear that oilsands firms are actually planning to increase oil output overall — their net-zero goals only apply to the actual extraction process, not the product they produce. https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/44 ... uel-sector
The ads for "green" technologies are similarly misleading in that they do the opposite, ignoring and downplaying the real environmental and societal costs of "renewables" cradle-to-grave. They'd best be careful of opening this can of worms. So certain are they of being "on the right side", their hubris may be their undoing.

Extremism has never resulted in net-favourable outcomes. Alberta's taking the sensible approach.
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A reliable , cost effective approach to heating ,material delivery ,food production , putting food on the table , paying mortgages, paying for schools hospitals, roads ( and the asphalt to make them) . Every product that people use daily and most of all paying taxes to the greedy gods in Ottawa to have it heaved out the door for every woke cause possible . Meanwhile the world laughs and laughs while Canada swirls the toilet bowl.

I LOVE ALBERTA OIL, you should too!
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fluffy wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 7:15 am
George Orwell 1984 wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 6:32 am I love ALBERTA oil , you should too.
I do, to a point. The industry treated a couple of members of my family, and a whole bunch of others, quite well but the science is against the industry now. Selling off our collective futures for the sake of short term profits is no longer seen as a smart play. And Ms. Smith putting a moratorium on a thriving alternative energy sector has to be the bonehead maneuver of the decade, and for what ? Does she actually think she can pressure the feds into changing their stance on emissions reduction ? She's setting herself up for a Danielle vs. the environment fight and that's not one she can win. The far right is leaving covid restrictions behind as their raison d'etre, and latching onto climate change denial instead. That's not likely to win many elections.
Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy, when the "propaganda & fear eco warriors keep loading, heating and stirring the flake, fake & misinformation pot, frothing over from the made up lies.
These Ecotists are the first inline for their entitled share of huge efforts by others, who will have to wait until these activists, Ottawa & kebec are satisfied with confiscating, now nearing a Trillion since the old trudeau, started stealing from Alberta.
This is like, O & Q demanding free illegal life ending drugs and injection services for their addiction, while advocating that society must do more to fight addiction and the associated casualties.
The minute ottawa & kebec legally state they no longer are entitled or need the cream from the top of Alberta's created wealth, Alberta be happy to invest that money so it can become even more efficient in their biggest environmental undertaking effort, removing the bitumen from the dirt and returning the clean soil back to nature and deliver the needed refined left over energy resource to all corners of Canada.
The real hypocrisy here is, the fake Ecotists know they can't do without oil, they are just like old trudeau & his off spring, they want to control and own this resource.
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fluffy wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 7:15 am
George Orwell 1984 wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 6:32 am I love ALBERTA oil , you should too.
I do, to a point. The industry treated a couple of members of my family, and a whole bunch of others, quite well but the science is against the industry now. Selling off our collective futures for the sake of short term profits is no longer seen as a smart play. And Ms. Smith putting a moratorium on a thriving alternative energy sector has to be the bonehead maneuver of the decade, and for what ? Does she actually think she can pressure the feds into changing their stance on emissions reduction ? She's setting herself up for a Danielle vs. the environment fight and that's not one she can win. The far right is leaving covid restrictions behind as their raison d'etre, and latching onto climate change denial instead. That's not likely to win many elections.
Can you provide data to support how trudeaus virtue signaling plan will change the world climate? And smith has not disagreed to clean energy transition. She is only including actually change over process. Which virtue signalers can not offer. Smith is being realistic. Canada will never compete with the manufacturing giant countries. So if some virtue signalling liberalist could supply the answers to this pipe dream it would be great.
And it did do well in the election thing.
questions, what ev do you drive? have you stopped taking winter vacations involving a plane? How much was it to change your home over to electric or solar?
Anyone supporting the far lefts climate virtue signalling plan and attacking others with more common sense and realistic approaches could have already contributed to what they believe. But thats the funny part, they dont. Hence the virtue signalling and more people being realistic like smith. Maybe thats what creates the hatred towards this, people are hiding from addressing themselves and their own lack of actions.
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liisgo wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 10:54 am ...others with more common sense and realistic approaches...
And just what is "common sense and realistic" about ramping up production when everyone with more than two clues is saying "reduce" ?
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liisgo wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 10:54 am
fluffy wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 7:15 am

I do, to a point. The industry treated a couple of members of my family, and a whole bunch of others, quite well but the science is against the industry now. Selling off our collective futures for the sake of short term profits is no longer seen as a smart play. And Ms. Smith putting a moratorium on a thriving alternative energy sector has to be the bonehead maneuver of the decade, and for what ? Does she actually think she can pressure the feds into changing their stance on emissions reduction ? She's setting herself up for a Danielle vs. the environment fight and that's not one she can win. The far right is leaving covid restrictions behind as their raison d'etre, and latching onto climate change denial instead. That's not likely to win many elections.
Can you provide data to support how trudeaus virtue signaling plan will change the world climate? And smith has not disagreed to clean energy transition. She is only including actually change over provess. Which virtue signalers can not offer. Smith is being realistic. Canada will never compete with the manufacturing giant countries. So if some virtue signalling liberalist could supply the answers to this pipe dream it would be great.
And it did do well in the election thing.
questions, what ev do you drive? have you stopped taking winter vacations involving a plane? How much was it to change your home over to electric or solar?
Anyone supporting the far lefts climate virtue signalling plan and attacking others with more common sense and realistic approaches could have already contributed to what they believe. But thats the funny part, they dont. Hence the virtue signalling and more people being realistic like smith. Maybe thats what creates the hatred towards this, people are hiding from addressing themselves and their own lack of actions.

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fluffy wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 1:58 pm
liisgo wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 10:54 am ...others with more common sense and realistic approaches...
And just what is "common sense and realistic" about ramping up production when everyone with more than two clues is saying "reduce" ?
Others are a little bit more into the logistic's and realities of this energy, climate thing than just using it as a virtue signalling opportunity,,,Liberalist thing.
Thats why I asked you some questions that you do not seem to want to answer. No one has to wait and just hate others that are being more realistic about time frames, abilities, infrastructures, cost's, etc. Your opportunity to contribute started a while ago.
The technology to supply a non structured clean energy and climate policy of like what is being sold to some right now by the liberalists party, means nothing to others that actually understand the problems and infrastructures needed to achieve the goal. Smith and many others that do not need to virtue signal, understand there is more to it.
What EV do you own, how much did it cost to switch your home energy over to solar? Just asking, because if you haven't yet, there's a reason.
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fluffy wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 1:58 pm
liisgo wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 10:54 am ...others with more common sense and realistic approaches...
And just what is "common sense and realistic" about ramping up production when everyone with more than two clues is saying "reduce" ?
It's common sense and realistic to ensure we can continue to rely on domestic supply (and provide our cleaner supply on the world market) while technological advances allow reduction without negatively impacting the environment and the poor.
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fluffy wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 1:58 pm
liisgo wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 10:54 am ...others with more common sense and realistic approaches...
And just what is "common sense and realistic" about ramping up production when everyone with more than two clues is saying "reduce" ?
Sadly Alberta "common sense" is a term the progressive woke Ecotist identity group is not familiar with, as realistic & common sense are the opposite of their fantasy & new world self destructive euphoria.

Just hoping that with "everyone" it meant the eco-terro identity group that wants to steal & control Alberta's natural resources, exclusively for the laurentians, so transfer payments are no longer needed.
And please don't include or associate me with that identity group or any other social construct identity group that practises self victimization, still suffering at the hands of the only right wing identity group, the colonialist invaders, identified by the colour of their skin.
However lately, many from different tribes from around the world have joined this Canadian group and together forming the single biggest & strongest group, that trudeau refers to as,
the only conservative right wing identity group that trudeau labels "the Fringe".
However common sense speaking, this spontaneously formed Canadian group, made up of many different colours and united, is here to challenge la guy that is calling us the unacceptables.
Alberta is using the old trudeau 1982 charter, to let his drama actor offspring know, who controls Alberta's natural resources, just like kebec control their natural resources and the waters that provide their hydro electricity.
The pm now knows that it is not just Alberta who is stopping his divisive & polarizing narratives and battle for full control over Alberta & its oil, it is all the multi colour unacceptables from the fringes, coming together to save Canada from a terrible left hand communist turn by the laurentian rats, under one new multi colour, symbolizing what "The Fringe" really stand for.
Note; the lpc had its own rats, call the "ratpac" lead by Sheila Tequila, after their greatest political defeat in 1984. Will history repeat itself ?
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liisgo wrote: Oct 1st, 2023, 2:28 pm Thats why I asked you some questions that you do not seem to want to answer. No one has to wait and just hate others that are being more realistic about time frames, abilities, infrastructures, cost's, etc. Your opportunity to contribute started a while ago.
The time for us all to contribute started a long while ago. The science of human caused global warming was there in the 1950s, but got brushed aside for the sake of profits and convenience. Nobody listened. Now look where we are, and people are still advocating for business as usual, some even want more business.
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The time for us to contribute did start a long time ago….. the moment when liberals began taxing the air. Tell us again what has changed since , other than longer line ups at food banks.

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