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Purity wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 9:57 am I adopt an BC/Alberta and Saskatchewan pancake and lunch social on every second Sunday of July ongoing so we can start to heal our inter provincial hate that has been entrenched by the anti-Canadian antisocial subversives. Becoming Neighbors, Showing Friendship and Building Trust would sure help cure our inter provincial cooperation moving forward! :smt045
It can't be held at a restaurant because Albertans and Saskatchewanites don't have vaxports.
'Course maybe by Sunday, July 3 or 10, 2022 all of this vaxport stuff will be a far-off memory.
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This BC vaccine passport is gonna be awkward for Albertans alleging their primary residence is in Alberta........
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 12th, 2021, 9:54 pm This BC vaccine passport is gonna be awkward for Albertans alleging their primary residence is in Alberta........
Yes, maybe. BC tourism has been hit hard over the last 2 years by the pandemic and the fires. If Albertans and Sask'ites have to show proof of vaccination in order to access places of entertainment, that's just one more reason for them to stay away from BC. I doubt they want restaurant staff knowing they're from out-of-province, or they may get a little spit in their food from the Alberta- and Sask-hating British Columbians.

By the way, in most cases, BC personal tax is cheaper than Alberta personal tax, so not sure why anyone would "allege" that their primary rez is in Alberta. Is it so that they can pay higher income tax AND pay the Spec Tax?
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Septuagenarian wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 4:55 am If anyone want's to see how we Albertans are going to deal with our proof of vaccination, here's the webpage.

https://www.alberta.ca/proof-of-vaccination-faq.aspx
They're smart not to implement them. It's a waste of resources considering
a.) the new variants are rendering vaccines ineffective and
b.) the Feds are developing their own vaxport.
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Septuagenarian wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 11:36 am [icon_lol2.gif] They're smart not to call it a Vaxport.

And I'll be happy to have my little covid vax card to go with my present lifelong vax card as well as my ALCB proof of age card from 1971 in my wallet. Also, I didn't see anybody protesting the Boozeport idea while we were lining up back then with our creds, having our pictures taken, and then happily going off to the Commie bar in the Commercial Hotel on White Avenue to get ourselves inoculated with a beneficial brew that sadly, too, lost it's effect without a booster. :biggrin:
It's a different time now. Having one person look at a piece of paper ID is very different from having your ID scanned into a government database that tracks you (contact tracing has gone high-tech, yes?).

This reminds me of those Americans who argue that it's their right to own semi- and automatic-weapons as per the Constitution, when in fact those weapons weren't even a consideration when the constitution was written.

I have a 'vax card', too, but it's nothing more than a record of vaccines for my own personal use. It isn't government surveillance and it isn't used to coerce* others into getting a vaccine.

*Read: I'm not being used as leverage by the government to force others into getting a vaccine simply by having a paper vaccination record. The same can't be said for the new vaxports.
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Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 11:09 am ...a.) the new variants are rendering vaccines ineffective and...
Everything I've read is choosing to say "less effective", as there are breakthrough cases occurring. "Ineffective" is totally inaccurate.
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Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:01 pm
*Read: I'm not being used as leverage by the government to force others into getting a vaccine simply by having a paper vaccination record. The same can't be said for the new vaxports.
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No one is being "forced" into getting a vaccine. There are "options" if someone doesnt want to get one.

Do vaccine mandates violate Canadians' charter rights?


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fluffy wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:11 pm
Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 11:09 am ...a.) the new variants are rendering vaccines ineffective and...
Everything I've read is choosing to say "less effective", as there are breakthrough cases occurring. "Ineffective" is totally inaccurate.
The term "vaccine resistant" is being used to describe the Mu variant.

Example of how a vaccine's effectiveness is measured by the CDC (US)...

What are factors that influence how well flu vaccines work?
How well flu vaccines work (or their ability to protect against a certain outcome) can vary from season to season. Protection can vary depending on who is being vaccinated. At least two factors play an important role in determining the likelihood that vaccination will protect a person from flu illness: 1) characteristics of the person being vaccinated (such as their age and health), and 2) how well the vaccines “match” the flu viruses spreading in the community. When flu vaccines are not well matched to one or more circulating influenza viruses, it is possible that vaccination may provide little or no protection from illness caused by those viruses, but still provide protection against other flu viruses that circulate during the season.

"Little or no protection..." At what point is vaccine protection so immaterial that it is said to be "vaccine resistant"? Again, the term "vaccine resistant" is being used to describe the Mu variant, which is coming our way. It's likely that we're all going to be considered unvaxxed 'dolts' in due time. I'd caution against self-righteousness and name-calling.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/e ... nessqa.htm

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foenix wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:20 pm
Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:01 pm
*Read: I'm not being used as leverage by the government to force others into getting a vaccine simply by having a paper vaccination record. The same can't be said for the new vaxports.
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No one is being "forced" into getting a vaccine. There are "options" if someone doesnt want to get one.
As already discussed at length...

co·erce /kōˈərs/
verb
1.) persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.
"they were coerced into silence"
2.) obtain (something) by using force or threats.
"their confessions were allegedly coerced by torture"

Coercion means forcing a person to do something that they would not normally do by making threats against their safety or well-being, or that of their relatives or property...

"Do this or suffer the consequences." is coercion. "Get the vaccine or lose some of your freedoms" is coercion.

Threatening to take away one's freedom of choice is coercion. The fact that the government is the perpetrator doesn't make it something other than coercion.

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Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:31 pm
fluffy wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:11 pm

Everything I've read is choosing to say "less effective", as there are breakthrough cases occurring. "Ineffective" is totally inaccurate.
The term "vaccine resistant" is being used to describe the Mu variant.

Example of how a vaccine's effectiveness is measured by the CDC (US)...

What are factors that influence how well flu vaccines work?
How well flu vaccines work (or their ability to protect against a certain outcome) can vary from season to season. Protection can vary depending on who is being vaccinated. At least two factors play an important role in determining the likelihood that vaccination will protect a person from flu illness: 1) characteristics of the person being vaccinated (such as their age and health), and 2) how well the vaccines “match” the flu viruses spreading in the community. When flu vaccines are not well matched to one or more circulating influenza viruses, it is possible that vaccination may provide little or no protection from illness caused by those viruses, but still provide protection against other flu viruses that circulate during the season.

"Little or no protection..." At what point is vaccine protection so immaterial that it is said to be "vaccine resistant"? Again, the term "vaccine resistant" is being used to describe the Mu variant, which is coming our way. It's likely that we're all going to be considered unvaxxed 'dolts' in due time. I'd caution against self-righteousness and name-calling.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/e ... nessqa.htm

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Remember this...

"In 2014-15, the flu shot offered essentially zero protection against the circulating influenza virus of that season. Back then, the prevailing strain was H3N2."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-f ... -1.3669427

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So are there people that's been hospitalized or killed by the Mu varriant? If not that's a moot point no?
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Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:42 pm
foenix wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:20 pm

No one is being "forced" into getting a vaccine. There are "options" if someone doesnt want to get one.
As already discussed at length...

co·erce /kōˈərs/
verb
1.) persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.
"they were coerced into silence"
2.) obtain (something) by using force or threats.
"their confessions were allegedly coerced by torture"

Coercion means forcing a person to do something that they would not normally do by making threats against their safety or well-being, or that of their relatives or property...

"Do this or suffer the consequences." is coercion. "Get the vaccine or lose some of your freedoms" is coercion.

Threatening to take away one's freedom of choice is coercion. The fact that the government is the perpetrator doesn't make it something other than coercion.

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Oh something like the helmet or the seatbelt laws? We can sit here and discuss semantics all day but the fact is the government is doing nothing that is against our Charter of Rights. If they are, perhaps challange it in court and see if in fact the government is doing anything to violate our Rights.
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Septuagenarian wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:47 pm
Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:01 pm
It's a different time now. Having one person look at a piece of paper ID is very different from having your ID scanned into a government database that tracks you (contact tracing has gone high-tech, yes?).

This reminds me of those Americans who argue that it's their right to own semi- and automatic-weapons as per the Constitution, when in fact those weapons weren't even a consideration when the constitution was written.

I have a 'vax card', too, but it's nothing more than a record of vaccines for my own personal use. It isn't government surveillance and it isn't used to coerce* others into getting a vaccine.

*Read: I'm not being used as leverage by the government to force others into getting a vaccine simply by having a paper vaccination record. The same can't be said for the new vaxports.
...owning a gun in Canada is a privilege not a right...
I'm very thankful that we're far more sensible about gun ownership in Canada than our cousins to the south.

I do believe that you understood my point regarding arguments that are based on what was true 'back in the day' cannot necessarily be used in today's modern world. Otherwise we wouldn't have to introduce new laws that pertain specifically to new technologies, such as internet privacy, etc.
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foenix wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 1:07 pm Oh something like the helmet or the seatbelt laws?
Can you show me where vaccines are governed by law?
We can sit here and discuss semantics* all day but the fact is the government is doing nothing that is against our Charter of Rights. If they are, perhaps challange it in court and see if in fact the government is doing anything to violate our Rights.
Vaccine mandates are already being challenged in court. There's a reason for that. You should be thankful for that reason because it protects you, too. Otherwise any old government can go around infringing on people's human rights. No matter how you cut it, this matter has to get a court ruling one way or the other. The fact that the government is imposing its will without a ruling doesn't make the government right.

*You aren't using the term 'semantics' properly. We're discussing legalities and human rights here, not the meaning of words.
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JagXKR wrote: Jul 12th, 2021, 10:59 am “The single rats that we find in Alberta have usually come from B.C. and they've hitched rides on vehicles or recreation vehicles to the province,” said Wickerson.
Funny how the opposite is also true. Most rats we find here in the Okanagan usually come from Alberta, riding on vehicles or rec vehicles into BC! :biggrin:
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Gee...you think?

We opened too fast

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