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Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 10th, 2023, 8:06 am Can any of the NDP Liberals explain to us what the exact effect will be on global temperatures if they succeed in shutting down our oilsands industry?

Here are the figures to get you started. Show your calculations.

Mike Campbell wrote:"The Canadian oilsands represent ~0.1% of global CO2 emissions. In a world in which the demand for oil will I believe grow for many years to come, any action by a government to cap production should be considered economic treason."
Eric Nuttal, Eric Nuttall, partner and senior portfolio manager at Ninepoint Partners
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I continue to ask - what specifically did Canada get in return for saying no to hundreds of billions in economic activity along with tens of billions in government revenues?
The PM, Minister Giulbeaut, FM Freeland have yet to answer - despite the government's opposition to oil and gas that has literally changed Canada's financial future.
It’ll probably keep global temperatures about the same if that’s done. But that’s also kinda the goal. You asked the wrong question. Try again.
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Jonrox wrote: Dec 10th, 2023, 9:59 am
Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 10th, 2023, 8:06 am Can any of the NDP Liberals explain to us what the exact effect will be on global temperatures if they succeed in shutting down our oilsands industry?

Here are the figures to get you started. Show your calculations.


It’ll probably keep global temperatures about the same if that’s done. But that’s also kinda the goal. You asked the wrong question. Try again.
So you're saying that if we eliminate 0.1% of global emissions while China brings two coal-fired plants per week online, global temperatures will stay the same.

That's an admission that China's increasing coal-fired plants at a crazy fast rate has no effect on global temperatures, and I'm wondering how that fits the whole AGW theory.

The weird part is that only eliminating Canada's oilsands will stabilize global temperatures. :135:
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 10th, 2023, 10:42 am
Jonrox wrote: Dec 10th, 2023, 9:59 am
It’ll probably keep global temperatures about the same if that’s done. But that’s also kinda the goal. You asked the wrong question. Try again.
So you're saying that if we eliminate 0.1% of global emissions while China brings two coal-fired plants per week online, global temperatures will stay the same.

That's an admission that China's increasing coal-fired plants at a crazy fast rate has no effect on global temperatures, and I'm wondering how that fits the whole AGW theory.

The weird part is that only eliminating Canada's oilsands will stabilize global temperatures. :135:
Correct. What changes things is an aggregation of actions. Any one action on its own won’t move the needle much. *removed*
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Dec 10th, 2023, 10:42 am
Jonrox wrote: Dec 10th, 2023, 9:59 am
It’ll probably keep global temperatures about the same if that’s done. But that’s also kinda the goal. You asked the wrong question. Try again.
So you're saying that if we eliminate 0.1% of global emissions while China brings two coal-fired plants per week online, global temperatures will stay the same.

That's an admission that China's increasing coal-fired plants at a crazy fast rate has no effect on global temperatures, and I'm wondering how that fits the whole AGW theory.

The weird part is that only eliminating Canada's oilsands will stabilize global temperatures. :135:
Yup. All the moronic fearmongering about the man-made climate change myth is disgusting.
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https://angusreid.org/alberta-canada-p ... mith-ucp/

“The lack of enthusiasm coming from Albertans when asked about leaving the CPP is largely based on concerns that their own household costs may increase. While more than one-in-three (37%) believe they would save money if Alberta leaves, a larger group (48%) say it would cost them more…most Albertans are more comfortable with the CPP than they would be with a new APP. Half (51%) worry that they would be worse off, including one-in-five UCP voters. Another one-in-five overall (18%) say they anticipate breaking even, while three-in-10 (31%) say they would be better off with a provincial plan…”

It appears that the Premier has/had not read her citizens very well. They do not like the idea of an APP. However, the Premier did speak to supporters.
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An important question is how much of what Ms. Smith says and does arises out of genuine concern for Albertans, and how much is just "playing to the cameras" ? Her rural base, far to the right of center, delights in her willingness to take on Ottawa in just about anything they say and do, and her recent trip to Dubai and the COP28 convention has even been portrayed in the same light. On closer inspection just about everything she say is full of half-truths and contradictions, with the clear beneficiaries being the oil & gas producers who really could not care less about Albertans and their province.
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fluffy wrote: Dec 12th, 2023, 6:46 am On closer inspection just about everything she say is full of half-truths
Voters will settle for half the truth compared to the 100%+ of lies spewing from the gobs of the NDP Liberals.

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fluffy wrote: Dec 12th, 2023, 6:46 am On closer inspection just about everything she say is full of half-truths and contradictions,
Not really.
with the clear beneficiaries being the oil & gas producers who really could not care less about Albertans and their province.
Oh no - oil and gas producers who provide a giant portion of our funds for all of our social programs might not be treated like garbage!! How dare the government do that!! As for the "not caring" about Albertans, this is just such a load of nonsense. The only people who "don't care" about Albertans are the NDP, anti-semitic idiots like Jodi Gondek, and the horrible unions like CUPE who are being sued for their awful racist behavior. That's it.
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fluffy wrote: Dec 12th, 2023, 6:46 am On closer inspection just about everything she say is full of half-truths and contradictions,
Yup, and her seal clapping supporters are too dumb to notice how much Smith is lying to Albertans.
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Pappywinkle wrote: Dec 3rd, 2021, 8:30 am
The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 3rd, 2021, 8:11 am It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with oil prices going up.
It's definitely true that it has everything to do with oil prices and not anything done by the incompetent UCP. And at least with oil prices rising the disastrously massive deficits caused by the incompetent Kenney and his gang of buffoons will be a bit less disastrous, and when Notley inevitably gets elected the NDP will have a bit less of a mess to clean up.
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https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/4 ... rvers-say ,

“… in August, Alberta's United Conservative government announced a moratorium on approvals for all wind, solar and geothermal projects greater than one megawatt. The announcement was made suddenly, without consultation.
Government officials initially said the pause was made at the request of rural municipalities and the Alberta Utilities Commission. When it turned out no such requests had been made, the move was justified by concerns over reclamation, destruction of farmland and despoiling of what the government called "pristine viewscapes…
Hastings-Simon said installing enough solar power for Alberta to have a net-zero grid would consume about 0.1 per cent of its arable land.

"We certainly need to be thoughtful about local land use impacts," she said. "But as far as the concern around competition for land, the scale of land available suggests that's not a serious concern."

The Alberta Utilities Commission requested a report on agricultural effects. It found farming can continue around renewable energy sites, from pasturing animals to growing crops.
“The commission also asked for a report into how giant windmills might affect the province's much-loved landscapes.
“That report looked at 20 different studies of how wind farms affected real estate values. Eight studies showed no effect, six showed a negative effect while the rest showed mixed results.
“The very idea of "viewscapes" rules makes investors nervous, said Dye.
"It's too nebulous to be a regulatory concept."

It seems that Alberta has gone from a leader in renewable energy to what? And what is the reason, political rhetoric? There is room for both petroleum production and renewables in Alberta’s energy scheme and one can help offset the other. Perhaps Premier Smith would like to explain her “conservative” energy policy to her citizens.
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erinmore3775 wrote: Dec 16th, 2023, 9:51 pm https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/4 ... rvers-say ,

“… in August, Alberta's United Conservative government announced a moratorium on approvals for all wind, solar and geothermal projects greater than one megawatt. The announcement was made suddenly, without consultation.
and it was a great decision. Good job Danielle!! :up:
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 17th, 2023, 2:12 pm
erinmore3775 wrote: Dec 16th, 2023, 9:51 pm https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/4 ... rvers-say ,

“… in August, Alberta's United Conservative government announced a moratorium on approvals for all wind, solar and geothermal projects greater than one megawatt. The announcement was made suddenly, without consultation.
and it was a great decision. Good job Danielle!! :up:
:up: :up: :up:

Danielle is a wise lady. She has the interests of Albertans at heart, and she could easily see the folly of continuing on the economically and environmentally destructive path these moronic projects were creating.
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erinmore3775 wrote: Dec 16th, 2023, 9:51 pm Perhaps Premier Smith would like to explain her “conservative” energy policy to her citizens.
Sounds like she has offered a few different explanations already, none of which make any sense but all of which are gleefully gobbled up by her base in absence of things like reason and truth.
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erinmore3775 wrote: Dec 16th, 2023, 9:51 pm https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/4 ... rvers-say ,

“… in August, Alberta's United Conservative government announced a moratorium on approvals for all wind, solar and geothermal projects greater than one megawatt. The announcement was made suddenly, without consultation.
Danielle is not a very smart lady. She only has the interests of the oil companies at heart, and cannot see the folly of putting Alberta's economic future all in one basket. A very short-sighted and ill-advised decision that will ultimately hurt Albertans.

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