Breaking: JWR not running again

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The Green Barbarian wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 7:25 pm
foenix wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 6:47 pm
She'll sour on you real fast. She doesn't have a long shelf life.
And yet you were the one who said that she was "palatable" lol lol lol
Nice try but this is what I wrote......
The desperation in the pro-O'Toole camp is palatable.
Let me get my Cracker Jacks decorder out and translate for you.....it says....

.....The desperation from the O'Toole camp tastes wonderful if they are considering recruiting JWR into their dysfunction.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 11th, 2021, 10:26 pm
JWR good riddance. She sat around one night sipping wine with her bff Phillpott getting more and more intoxicated in girl power with the spice girls vinyl in the back round. Concocting a way to stab Trudeau in the back and start a mutiny. This was how she was wanting to bring about her dads prophecy of her being a PM.
It’s amazng how people can reinterpret events to suit their own particular view of the World.

Clearly, in your eyes, Trudeau is such a hero that anything JWR said about him that was negative couldn’t possibly be true. So you’ve invented a narrative that doesn’t contradict your rosy view of JT and his ilk.

You’ve completely ignored the fact that BOTH JWR and Dr Philpott were huge Trudeau admirers prior to being given an opportunity to work closely with him, and get to know him better. And you’ve also completely overlooked the fact that they are BOTH still supporters of Liberal ideals, just not of the Party’s current leadership.

Choosing to tell the truth, instead of covering up for a Leader’s malfeasance, is a difficult decision which often leads to the kind of Public criticism, bordering on hate, that is evident in your post.
nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 11th, 2021, 10:26 pm She didn't do as she was told
It is illegal in Canada for the Prime Minister to tell the Attorney General what to do.
nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 11th, 2021, 10:26 pm and did not review if there was anything that could be done to protect workers all across Canada from executive shenanigans and fraud.

What the hell are you talking about? She was EXPOSING executive shenanigans and fraud!
SNC-Lavalin was a bad actor. There can be no sugarcoating that fact. The World Bank has blacklisted SNC over high-level allegations of conspiracy. And the company has been implicated in multiple corruption scandals, including illegally donating more than $83,000 to the Liberal Party.

SNC [was] facing criminal charges relating to allegations of bribing Libyan officials in exchange for construction contracts between 2001 and 2011. Apparently, SNC really wanted to help Muammar Gaddafi build some prisons.

A conviction would result in a 10-year ban on bidding on federal contracts
But there [was] a way out. You see, after intense lobbying by SNC, a brand new get-out-of-jail-free card was buried in a 2018 omnibus, budget-implementation bill. The new deferred prosecution agreement provision would allow prosecutors, if SNC met certain legal criteria, to drop criminal charges.

But on Sept. 4, 2018, the director of public prosecutions, Kathleen Roussel, decided against offering SNC any deals. It was probably a pretty easy call because SNC met virtually none of the factors in the new legislation to justify the sweetheart deal.

So, SNC began lobbying for Jody Wilson-Raybould to overrule the director of public prosecutions.

Wilson-Raybould could [have done] it, but that decision [was] hers and hers alone. The principle is called the Shawcross doctrine and it’s pretty simple: The responsibility for prosecutorial decision, such as overturning the SNC decision, rests with the attorney general, and she is not to be put under any pressure by the government.
https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/news/ ... air/275902
nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 11th, 2021, 10:26 pm JWR chose to ignore those Canadians and their livelihoods
SNCs lobbying efforts weren’t about jobs, but about protecting the Company’s bottom line. A fact reinforced in the Ethic’s Commissioner’s report
The [Ethics Commissioner’s] report analyses SNC-Lavalin's interests and finds that the lobbying effort advanced private interests of the company, rather than public interests.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair
nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 11th, 2021, 10:26 pm and create a political issue around the issue. Trying to embroil Justin and his chief in a scandal that wasn't really a scandal at all.
Allowing a company facing criminal prosecution to have secret meetings with multiple top Government Officials (both elected and unelected) for the purpose of persuading those officials to change the criminal code to help said company avoid prosecution is indeed a scandal.

But it’s an even bigger scandal that the company was successful in its efforts to get the law changed. And that the change was buried in a Budget Omnibus Bill, which even Liberal Members of the Finance committee didn’t at first realize included the change. And once they did, expressed surprise that such an important change to the criminal code wasn’t a separate piece of legislation, that would have allowed for more consideration and debate prior to passage.

Unfortunately for SNC, following passage of the Bill the Federal Prosecutor determined the company didn’t qualify for the DPA they had lobbied so hard for, and that should have been the end of it. Because prosecutorial discretion is a basic principle in Canadian Law. (One that was reinforced by the Federal Court when SNC tried to get the court to overule the decision). Nevertheless, Trudeau and many other Senior Officials tried to illegally pressure JWR to overrule the Federal Prosector’s decision (as detailed in the report of the Ethics Commissioner into the affair).
On 14 August 2019, [the Ethics Commissioner] released a report that concluded Trudeau had contravened section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act by improperly pressuring Wilson-Raybould. The report details lobbying efforts by SNC-Lavalin to influence prosecution since at least February 2016, including the lobbying efforts to enact DPA legislation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair

It’s important to note that companies bribing international officials to obtain lucrative contracts was only criminalized in Canada because we’d signed an International Treaty that requires it. Prior to that, companies like SNC could, and did, bribe foreign officials on a regular basis.
For years Canada lagged behind the rest of the G7 countries in criminalizing foreign bribery. For example, into the early 1990s, Canadian companies were at liberty to deduct bribes paid to foreign officials from their taxes, affording them an “advantage over the Americans”, according to Bernard Lamarre former head of Lavalin (now SNC Lavalin). In 1991, Bernard, the older brother to SNC Lavalin’s subsequent head Jacques Lamarre, told Maclean’s that he always demanded a receipt when paying international bribes. “I make sure we get a signed invoice,” he said. “And payment is always in the form of a cheque, not cash, so we can claim it on our income tax!”

In 1977, the US Foreign Corrupt Practices Act outlawed bribes to foreign officials. Ottawa failed to follow suit until the Organisation of Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) launched its anti-bribery convention in 1997. The OECD convention obliged signatories to pass laws against bribing public officials abroad and two years later Canada complied, passing the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act (CFPOA). Still, for the next decade Canadian officials did little to enforce the law. The RCMP waited until 2008 to create an International Anti-Corruption Unit and didn’t secure a significant conviction under the CFPOA until 2011.

As the recent scandal demonstrates — and the Financial Post noted years ago — SNC has “considerable lobbying power in Ottawa
https://yvesengler.com/2019/03/02/snc-l ... gn-policy/
nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 11th, 2021, 10:26 pm As a result of not performing her duties effectively
JWR performed her duties EXACTLY as required by Law
Wilson-Raybould said: "I was, in my opinion, doing my job as the attorney general. I was protecting a fundamental constitutional principle of prosecutorial independence and the independence of our judiciary. That's the job of the attorney general."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair
nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 11th, 2021, 10:26 pm she was moved from her position and into the indigenous portfolio. Which we saw afterwards - she spit in the face of her people and refused the job.

Not true; offering JWR that portfolio was a cynical move n Trudeau’s part, because he knew it would involve her having to defend policies she’d railed against for years prior to joining Government.
Ahead of the cabinet shuffle in January 2019, Jody Wilson-Raybould is said to have rebuffed an offer to take over the Indigenous Services file – apparently because of her opposition to the Indian Act, which she would have been tasked with administering in the role.

Trudeau’s former principal secretary Gerald Butts said Trudeau decided to offer Indigenous Services to Wilson-Raybould because he wanted to signal to Indigenous communities that the file was still of incredible importance to him.

But some have questioned whether the offer of the Indigenous Services file was only perfunctory, because Wilson-Raybould’s previous public comments on the matter imply she would not accept the file.

Others said it showed how disconnected the Trudeau government is from Indigenous issues.
During the suicide crisis in Attawapiskat First Nations, where nearly a dozen people attempted to take their own lives on one night, Wilson-Raybould staunchly stated her opinion of the Indian Act, which is governed by the Indigenous Services ministry.

“For Attawapiskat and for all First Nations, the Indian Act is not a suitable system of government, it is not consistent with the rights enshrined in our Constitution, the principles as set out in (UNDRIP) or calls to action from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission report. In addition to the need for social and economic support, urgently needed in Attawapiskat and all First Nations, all Indigenous Peoples need to be empowered to take back control of their own lives,” she said in April 2016, according to APTN.

Even before joining the Liberal cabinet, Wilson-Raybould, who herself is Kwakwaka’wakw, authored a massive 800-plus page document outlining how First Nations could veer away from the Indian Act.

In testimony to the House of Commons justice committee, Michael Wernick, Clerk of the Privy Council said Wilson-Raybould doesn’t want to be Indigenous Affairs minister “and be seen as the Indian agent for her own people.”

An Indian agent was a person usually placed on reserves to enforce the Indian Act.

“So what that meant was there was somebody in the community who … was in charge of making sure the laws were being followed,” explained Tara Williamson, a research fellow at the First Nations-led Yellowhead Institute at Ryerson University.

And since the minister of Indigenous Services is the one administering the Indian Act, an Indigenous person would be “the person who is oppressing [their] own people, essentially.”
One can see why that person wouldn’t want the position, “given its continued effect on communities, on identity or even on just the imposition of chief and council system,” Williamson explained.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5031294/jody ... ndian-act/
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Despite all that effort, the only thing that counts is that JWR the AG and the Justice Minister at the time said JT did nothing ILLEGAL....end of story.
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foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 11:30 am Despite all that effort, the only thing that counts is that JWR the AG and the Justice Minister at the time said JT did nothing ILLEGAL....end of story.
That was her opinion at the time. However, the Ethics Commissioner later ruled that Trudeau did indeed violate the Conflict of Interest Act when pressuring Raybould to change the Law to help SNC avoid criminal prosecution.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau broke the nation’s conflict of interest law by pressuring his former attorney general to help SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. settle corruption charges out of court, Canada’s ethics watchdog ruled.

Since the Montreal-based engineering firm would have benefited financially from Trudeau’s efforts, the prime minister’s actions contravened the act, Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion said
https://time.com/5652315/trudeau-confli ... violation/
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Merry wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:21 pm
foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 11:30 am Despite all that effort, the only thing that counts is that JWR the AG and the Justice Minister at the time said JT did nothing ILLEGAL....end of story.
That was her opinion at the time. However, the Ethics Commissioner later ruled that Trudeau did indeed violate the Conflict of Interest Act when pressuring Raybould to change the Law to help SNC avoid criminal prosecution.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau broke the nation’s conflict of interest law by pressuring his former attorney general to help SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. settle corruption charges out of court, Canada’s ethics watchdog ruled.

Since the Montreal-based engineering firm would have benefited financially from Trudeau’s efforts, the prime minister’s actions contravened the act, Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion said
https://time.com/5652315/trudeau-confli ... violation/
That's what happens when an American news mag reports on Canada. They don't seem to know the difference between Law and Act as some of the Canadians seemed not to too.........

I think you're confusing "law" with "act". An act can be a subset of "law" but it's not. So in this case JT broke the Ethics Act not the law, a world of difference. That's why he only got a slap on the wrist for violation of the "Act".

Difference Between Act and Law (With Table)

https://askanydifference.com/difference ... t-and-law/
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Liberal supporter logic:

White supremacists strongly condemn rape, therefore, rape is a good thing.
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foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:41 pm
Merry wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:21 pm
That was her opinion at the time. However, the Ethics Commissioner later ruled that Trudeau did indeed violate the Conflict of Interest Act when pressuring Raybould to change the Law to help SNC avoid criminal prosecution.

https://time.com/5652315/trudeau-confli ... violation/
That's what happens when an American news mag reports on Canada. They don't seem to know the difference between Law and Act as some of the Canadians seemed not to too.........
Including YOU, apparently
foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:41 pm I think you're confusing "law" with "act".


No, I’m not. You are.
foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:41 pm An act can be a subset of "law" but it's not. So in this case JT broke the Ethics Act not the law, a world of difference.
Garbage

Law is the term used to describe all the rules and regulations by which a society is governed. In Canada we have Common Law and Legislated law. Common Law are laws which have been set by precedent, and passed down through the generations. Legislated law is law which has been passed by Parliament. Such laws are introduced as Bills, and once passed by Parliament and given Royal Assent, become Acts of Parliament.

However, some Acts of Parliament, fail to include a meaningful penalty if violated. And the Conflict of Interest Act is one such Act.
foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:41 pm That's why he only got a slap on the wrist for violation of the "Act".
This is the reason Trudeau only got a slap on the wrist
Canada's Conflict of Interest Act "does not provide for any sanctions for breaches found following an examination by the conflict of interest and ethics commissioner."
In February 2018, Dion testified before the parliamentary ethics committee and called for amendments to give him a heavier hand when it comes to scolding misbehaving parliamentarians.

"There should be sanctions because there aren't any currently," Dion told the committee at the time.

"One should not ignore the dissuasive effect that sanctions can have. They help to focus the mind. They also provide Canadians with the assurance that there are consequences for breaching the act that are more serious than what has been called 'naming and shaming.'"

Dion went on to say that sanctions could help rebuild trust with the Canadian public.

In the meantime, Dion remains toothless when it comes to infractions like the one Trudeau committed during the SNC-Lavalin scandal.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/this-is ... -1.4551354
foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:41 pm Difference Between Act and Law (With Table)
https://askanydifference.com/difference ... t-and-law/
I don’t know who created that webpage, but it’s a load of rubbish.

Try reading this one instead
https://www.differencebetween.com/diffe ... nd-vs-law/
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While we’re on the subject of Canada’s Conflict of Interest Act, some of you might be interested in reading this artice which details some of the other failings of the Act
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/ethics-law-1.4389739
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Merry wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 1:46 pm
foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:41 pm That's why he only got a slap on the wrist for violation of the "Act".
This is the reason Trudeau only got a slap on the wrist
Canada's Conflict of Interest Act "does not provide for any sanctions for breaches found following an examination by the conflict of interest and ethics commissioner."
In February 2018, Dion testified before the parliamentary ethics committee and called for amendments to give him a heavier hand when it comes to scolding misbehaving parliamentarians.

"There should be sanctions because there aren't any currently," Dion told the committee at the time.
Ah so it is :biggrin: .....too bad about the lack of sanctions but then again, just look at the party that brought it in and the reason it's toothless is because they (CPC) didn't want to be ensnared in it themselves. That's why legislation was written like.....
Every public office holder who contravenes one of the following provisions commits a violation and is liable to an administrative monetary penalty not exceeding $500:

If the Commissioner believes on reasonable grounds that a public office holder has committed a violation, the Commissioner may issue, and shall cause to be served on the public office holder, a notice of violation.

he amount of a proposed penalty is, in each case, to be determined taking into account the following matters:

(a) the fact that penalties have as their purpose to encourage compliance with this Act rather than to punish;
What a garbage "law"......but then again look at the party that brought it in.
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foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 2:27 pm
Merry wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 1:46 pm

This is the reason Trudeau only got a slap on the wrist

Ah so it is :biggrin: .....too bad about the lack of sanctions but then again, just look at the party that brought it in and the reason it's toothless is because they (CPC) didn't want to be ensnared in it themselves. That's why legislation was written like.....
Every public office holder who contravenes one of the following provisions commits a violation and is liable to an administrative monetary penalty not exceeding $500:

If the Commissioner believes on reasonable grounds that a public office holder has committed a violation, the Commissioner may issue, and shall cause to be served on the public office holder, a notice of violation.

he amount of a proposed penalty is, in each case, to be determined taking into account the following matters:

(a) the fact that penalties have as their purpose to encourage compliance with this Act rather than to punish;
What a garbage "law"......but then again look at the party that brought it in.
I agree it's a "garbage" law, but the Trudeau Liberals have had 6 years to fix it. And chose not to.
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Merry wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:21 pmThat was her opinion at the time. However, the Ethics Commissioner later ruled that Trudeau did indeed violate the Conflict of Interest Act when pressuring Raybould to change the Law to help SNC avoid criminal prosecution.
so you are saying that because "at the time" Trudeau was exonerated legally - that the finding is somehow different now? Who exactly does it sound like that is cherry picking truths? Shortly after Trudeau was rewarded with remaining in power with a minority - despite the wonder woman team trying to take Trudeau down. And according to many posters here it is bad form to name "he who shall not be named".......so i suppose that means its history and forget about JWR. She is ancient history.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 6:09 pm

so you are saying that because "at the time" Trudeau was exonerated legally -
How was Trudeau "exonerated" exactly? That piece of slime totally was acting unethically, along with his partner in crime Gerald Butts, who was forced to resign in total shame for his actions in the SNC Lavalin debacle.
Justin Trudeau- racist, elitist, liar. What a sick piece of garbage.

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Merry wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 6:05 pm
foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 2:27 pm

Ah so it is :biggrin: .....too bad about the lack of sanctions but then again, just look at the party that brought it in and the reason it's toothless is because they (CPC) didn't want to be ensnared in it themselves. That's why legislation was written like.....



What a garbage "law"......but then again look at the party that brought it in.
I agree it's a "garbage" law, but the Trudeau Liberals have had 6 years to fix it. And chose not to.
Why would they, it serves both parties well. At least the Liberals don't have their names on the sham "law".
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foenix wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 6:28 pm At least the Liberals don't have their names on the sham "law".
Of course they do. Butts had to resign because of it!
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