Canada natural resource wealth

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Randall T wrote: Aug 10th, 2021, 11:24 am
rustled wrote: Aug 10th, 2021, 10:03 am It's the same mindset, though, IMO. We are still expected to suspend disbelief and go along with doom and gloom prophesies of the coming apocalypse. The objectives of today's prophets are no different than the objectives of previous religions.

We have been innovating over the past century - and for all of the centuries before that. It is human nature to innovate, and it is human nature to gravitate toward better ways of doing things - just as it's human nature for some to exploit opportunities.

This talk of "corporate mentality needs to change in order to bring the other side closer" - that's all about convincing us there are two clear-cut sides, and that we should collectively consider one side moral and the "other" side immoral, and take the "moral" side in all of our conversations with everyone else. This is precisely, IMO, the unhelpful divisiveness we need less of in Canada. IMO, the suggestion there's "no regard to our wildlife" when we develop land in Canada is another vague and illogical assertion intended to support divisiveness - blaming, shaming, othering.

Because responsible practices often do affect the bottom line, rational folk (IMO) ought to insist we define responsible practices realistically, rather than using loaded language to manipulate emotions, pit people against the "other side", and bog us down in foolish moral arguments.

Our government subsidizes the import of "green" materials which require other countries to access resources that our own "responsible practices" insist we leave in the ground.

There is nothing moral about appeasing people who are utterly illogical in their demands (and blind to the consequences of their demands), particularly when that appeasement is to curry votes or access public funds. Morally, environmentally and financially, this ongoing appeasement of illogic makes no sense whatsoever.
Simply, and without getting into a lengthy rebuttal, shutting the barn door after the horses have run off is the problem. That's where we are now.
This is a slogan to support a talking point to support a narrative.
Randall T wrote:So what is your solution at this place in time? Just keep on keeping on?
Yup.
Randall T wrote: Then expect things to get uglier and much quicker than originally thought.
That's what the narrative requires us to believe.
Randall T wrote: There's no simple and immediate solution now as we've lost a few decades for the opportunity of gradual and cleaner positive change.
So is this. It's remarkably similar to quoting biblical scripture to convince the non-believers to suspend disbelief.
Randall T wrote: Alberta has their oil woes, BC lumber and mining.
Yup, environmental activism has resulted in consequences - some positive and some distinctly negative.
Randall T wrote: Industries that should have seen troubles on the horizon but went for instant gratification instead.
A first world country engaged in resource extraction, which improved the standard of living for all Canadians - just as people have done since we lived in caves. You can call it "instant gratification" if you wish, but IMO most people would just call it "making the best possible use of what we have".

Progress used to be something people who considered themselves progressives understood - today, progress is routinely vilified by fear-mongering puritans.
Randall T wrote: We have managed to screw up everything we touch.
Hogwash hyperbole. We've made messes, and we've cleaned up messes, too, and we're getting better at understanding how to not make big messes in the first place. That's part of progress - and IMO no one genuinely thinks we should all be living in mud huts and caves with high child mortality rates and low life expectancies.
Randall T wrote: The lip service is "responsible management" which always turns out to be disastrous because the word "responsible" is just the lipstick on the pig.
More hogwash. Canadian resource extraction has become so responsible, we now import resources from countries without our level of responsible management rather than extract them here.

There's plenty of lipstick smeared all over the faux environmentalism of importing instead of extracting and refining our own resources.
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rustled wrote:More hogwash. Canadian resource extraction has become so responsible, we now import resources from countries without our level of responsible management rather than extract them here.

Hmmmmm......
Today, mining in Canada generates over 30 times the volumes of solid waste that all citizens, municipalities & industries combined produce on a yearly basis.

As the grades of the ore deposits that are mined get lower and lower over time, the more waste is generated.

Mine waste sites are also failing at an increasing rate, with more and more catastrophic spills documented in recent years.

Many Canadian lakes, rivers and watersheds are already contaminated by mining, some very recently.

Dozens of mine waste sites will require wastewater treatment for the next 200 to 400 years, or more.
https://miningwatch.ca/blog/2020/10/5/m ... -liability

This is the world's most destructive oil operation—and it's growing

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/envi ... fight-back
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"Canadian resource extraction has become so responsible"

I suggest anyone buying this hogwash take a look at the Alberta orphan well situation and the hundreds of billions of dollars in liabilities Alberta taxpayers inherited when those responsible resource companies walked away from them.
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crookedmember wrote: Aug 10th, 2021, 12:33 pm "Canadian resource extraction has become so responsible"

I suggest anyone buying this hogwash take a look at the Alberta orphan well situation and the hundreds of billions of dollars in liabilities Alberta taxpayers inherited when those responsible resource companies walked away from them.
Conservatives are renowned for hogwash.

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