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If the people of Afghanistan wanted a democracy or anything other than the Taliban, and given they had 20 years to form a kick bleep army with the help of NATO/coalition forces.....they would have booted them a long time ago. They didn't want their country occupied by Russian forces in the 80's nor do they want it occupied by US forces now.
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oldtrucker wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 2:46 pm ^^^ Maybe one day people will come to terms that there are approx 7,900,000,000 on earth with a few billion of them not in ideal conditions and that it isn't up to Canada or any other nation to rescue everyone in the world from themselves. 7.9 billion.....gotta say stop, no more sometime.
If they played a big role in helping our forces while over there-then yes....do what we can to help them (those particular people) out....but that was part of what the last 20 years was about. Has it occurred to some that the Taliban are there still because a large portion of the people of the region want them there ?
The Taliban "government" has always been and is "government at the end of gun barrel".

I still don't understand how Trump thought starting "negotiations" with such a terrorist group was going to end well, nor do I understand Biden following along that path. Might as well try to negotiate with a zonked out meth head that has roid rage to boot.

Negotiation implies a level of rationality, and the Taliban are entirely irrational.

I note that some ad hoc groups are starting in with fighting the Taliban.

On the other side of the coin the CCP in China is somehow ok with the Taliban being in control of Afghanistan. To me, that entirely delegiimizes the Taliban (although that notion needed no help). The CCP in China are playing a dangerous game. They have Islamic folks in western China really annoyed with them already - and the Taliban don't care about borders.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 10:00 am
At the end of the day, Canada relied too much on US intelligence in regard to Afghanistan.
Well, with absolutely NO intelligence in the Liberal government, they had to rely on someone!
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It's interesting to watch people here bending over backwards to pretend that Trudeau didn't have weeks during which he could have chosen to help the Canadians and our allies who were still in Afghanistan and were trying to get their paperwork done so they could get out. Weeks during which Trudeau was preoccupied with whether or not to call a snap election.

Trudeau completely fumbled this, and then tried to distract us from his ineptitude by promising to accept 20,000 refugees.
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rustled wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 4:15 pm
Gone_Fishin wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 10:00 am

Well, with absolutely NO intelligence in the Liberal government, they had to rely on someone!
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It's interesting to watch people here bending over backwards to pretend that Trudeau didn't have weeks during which he could have chosen to help the Canadians and our allies who were still in Afghanistan and were trying to get their paperwork done so they could get out. Weeks during which Trudeau was preoccupied with whether or not to call a snap election.

Trudeau completely fumbled this, and then tried to distract us from his ineptitude by promising to accept 20,000 refugees.
The pretense by CPC aficiandos that Canada was in a position to do more is just a joke. Canada pulled out of Afghanistan years ago. We had no troops on the ground, no military infrastructure in Afghanistan to speak of.

But that's real facts, and CPC aficianados would rather ignore facts and realities than wear the past sins of the likes of Jason Kenney and the CPC who deliberately left these folks behind when pulling out in 2014.
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hobbyguy wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 5:04 pm
rustled wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 4:15 pm
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It's interesting to watch people here bending over backwards to pretend that Trudeau didn't have weeks during which he could have chosen to help the Canadians and our allies who were still in Afghanistan and were trying to get their paperwork done so they could get out. Weeks during which Trudeau was preoccupied with whether or not to call a snap election.

Trudeau completely fumbled this, and then tried to distract us from his ineptitude by promising to accept 20,000 refugees.
The pretense by CPC aficiandos that Canada was in a position to do more is just a joke. Canada pulled out of Afghanistan years ago. We had no troops on the ground, no military infrastructure in Afghanistan to speak of.
People - Canadians and allies - in Afghanistan applying to return to Canada were dealing with Canadian bureaucracy. You're deflecting to military infrastructure when that has nothing to do with their problem - they were stalled by paperwork, not by the troops or military infrastructure.

You're presenting facts that have nothing to do with the issue, so you can help Trudeau avoid accountability by doing this:
hobbyguy wrote:But that's real facts, and CPC aficianados would rather ignore facts and realities than wear the past sins of the likes of Jason Kenney and the CPC who deliberately left these folks behind when pulling out in 2014.
You're being silly here, and IMO it's unlikely rational people will go along with your partisan foolishness.

We know that the people who have been trying to get out of Afghanistan for the past few weeks were not trying to leave in 2014. They started trying a few weeks ago, when the US decided to pull out. Their paperwork was stalled, their window of opportunity closed while Trudeau was preoccupied with matters that meant more to him - e.g., whether or not he could benefit by calling a snap election.

These people were unable to get their paperwork through in a timely fashion under Trudeau's watch, while Trudeau neglected to pay attention to what was happening in Afghanistan "because election, me me me", and now Trudeau is trying to cover up for the consequences of his neglect by making promises to take in 20,000 refugees.
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:spitcoffee: [icon_lol2.gif]

When has any government moved in a speedy fashion?......on either side. If the hope here is that the CPC or Harper would have moved in a more timely fashion, I've got a goose that lays golden eggs for sale.

At some point the onus is on the applicant to put the paperwork in before 2 weeks in the hope that last ditch paperwork gets processed. It's only rationale that as the ink was drying on the treaty signed by that dufus Trump in late 2020 with the Taliban, the application should have started then, not 2 weeks ago. The Afghanis knew 5000 Taliban would be let out and the US was going to pull out in May. Where were the applications to leave in May even, or June, or July? Why wait til the last min when the plane is literally leaving Afghanistan.

If there are blame to go around, it's for partisan reasons that JT is single out in a country he had no involvement in........hello....Emperor Harper.........
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Trudeau was caught completely flat-footed when people were trying to get out of Afghanistan - he doesn't "think" about pesky stuff like why our parliament should be in session during a crisis. He thinks about more important things:
Shut down Parliament for this garden-party of a useless election, and who cares what goes on in Afghanistan?
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/r ... d=msedgntp

Ah, but pretend there was nothing government could have done to expedite the government paperwork, and promise to accept 20,000 refugees, and it's all good - right?
The Brits returned to full session to pass a motion condemning the witlessness and carelessness of Joe Biden, and his decision to remove American troops from Afghanistan. They didn’t call it a She-vacuation. They called it “contemptible” and “shameful.” One Tory MP, obviously mincing his words, called it “catastrophic, cack-handed, cruel and humiliating … a watershed in the failure of the West.” And former prime minister Tony Blair thought that epic catalogue would be improved by adding “imbecilic.”

What’s your view? Do you agree with the Brits? Or do you hope to skate past the Afghanistan horror, and our unpreparedness, the plight of our stranded citizens and interpreter allies, because it might cast a slight gloom on some of the campaign meet and greet in Aurora or St. John’s?

Just a thought, do you plan a dedicated address to Canadian veterans of Afghanistan? Will this crisis have its own debate?
Oh, well, we'll take 20,000, and that'll make up for it...

NOT.
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Our "brothers?"

HUH?

The Liberals are crawling into bed with the Taliban? Does Justin admire their basic dictatorship, too?

BREAKING: Trudeau's Gender Equality Minister refers to Taliban as 'our brothers'

Liberal Minister for Gender Equality Miryam Monsef referred to the Taliban as "our brothers" during a press conference on Wednesday.


Liberal Minister for Gender Equality Maryam Monsef referred to the Taliban as "our brothers" during a press conference providing updates on the situation in Afghanistan on Wednesday.

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The statement comes just one day after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau changed his tone on dealing with the Taliban. While Trudeau initially said that Canada had no plans to recognize the Taliban, yesterday the prime minister said that there would be certain criteria that the terror group could meet to potentially be heard at an international level.

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking- ... r-brothers
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Someone should tell the Liberals that the Taliban are not our brothers, as minister Monsef just referred to them. :200:
Time to fly the Taliban flag on parliament hill?

Ministers in this government leave us shaking our heads.
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bb49 wrote: Aug 25th, 2021, 9:59 am Someone should tell the Liberals that the Taliban are not our brothers, as minister Monsef just referred to them. :200:
Time to fly the Taliban flag on parliament hill?

Ministers in this government leave us shaking our heads.
That's called politics and diplomacy in trying to steer our enemies into not antagonize them as we negotiate more days to evacuate our Afghani allies.
While Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has made the point of calling the Taliban in Afghanistan a terrorist group, his minister for women and gender equality is calling the Taliban “our brothers.”

Maryam Monsef made the comments while speaking on a call with other ministers regarding the evacuation efforts in Afghanistan.

“I want to take this opportunity to speak to our brothers, the Taliban. We call on you to ensure the safe and secure passage of any individual in Afghanistan out of the country,” Monsef said.

“We call on you to immediately stop the violence. The genocide, the femicide, the destruction of infrastructure including heritage buildings.”

Monsef went on to call on the Taliban to return to the peace deal negotiated and to ensure women and minorities were part of that process.

Asked by a reporter during the news conference if the reference to “brothers” was a softening of the government’s position on the Taliban, Monsef said no.

“Hardly, the Taliban are a terrorist group and yet they claim to be Muslims,” Monsef said.

“The reference to brothers is a cultural reference of course but let me be very clear, we do not support the Taliban. We are horrified that the hard-won gains of the past 20 years are at stake,” Monsef said.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/li ... r-brothers

But nice effort to take it out of context and the usal smear tactics by another CPC lackey.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Aug 25th, 2021, 9:57 am Our "brothers?"

HUH?

The Liberals are crawling into bed with the Taliban? Does Justin admire their basic dictatorship, too?

I think this is because Monsef is still pushing the lie that she was born in Afghanistan.

Since she is the Minister for Women, will she push to strip Afghanistan of their seat that gives the Taliban the right to have a seat at the "status of women" table?

https://thepostmillennial.com/taliban-m ... s-of-women
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Glacier wrote: Aug 25th, 2021, 11:55 am
Gone_Fishin wrote: Aug 25th, 2021, 9:57 am Our "brothers?"

HUH?

The Liberals are crawling into bed with the Taliban? Does Justin admire their basic dictatorship, too?

I think this is because Monsef is still pushing the lie that she was born in Afghanistan.

Since she is the Minister for Women, will she push to strip Afghanistan of their seat that gives the Taliban the right to have a seat at the "status of women" table?

https://thepostmillennial.com/taliban-m ... s-of-women
Her story sounds believable to me....
Cabinet minister Maryam Monsef, who has frequently been touted as Canada's first Afghan-born member of Parliament, now concedes she was actually born in Iran.

Monsef, 31, says her mother told her of her true place of birth last week, after The Globe and Mail's Robert Fife inquired about her early life. Monsef had been under the impression that she was born in Afghanistan, although she did spend parts of her childhood living in Iran. She came to Canada as a refugee with her widowed mother and two younger sisters in 1996, after her mother fled Afghanistan to escape the Taliban.

The cabinet minister has often said she was born in Afghanistan, and news headlines frequently refer to her as the "Afghan-born MP."

In June, Robert Fife, then host of CTV’s Question Period, asked Monsef in an interview if she was born in Afghanistan.

"I believe I was," Monsef replied.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mp-mary ... -1.3083437

A lie would be knowingly telling all of Canada that someone was a broker and finding out he was just a helper to a broker.

This should answer the second part.........

“Hardly, the Taliban are a terrorist group and yet they claim to be Muslims,” Monsef said.

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