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nucksRnum1 wrote: Aug 22nd, 2021, 4:22 pm Thank god that the Cons are not in control of immigration of this magnitude. When the Cons were in power - the selection metric was to only allow "Christian" Syrians into the country to buoy their base and votes. Vetting Afghan "Christians" would be next to impossible.
The Liberals have no idea what they are doing. Thank goodness they will be out the door soon, and the CPC can again be in charge of immigration.
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Hurtlander wrote: Aug 22nd, 2021, 6:24 pm
nucksRnum1 wrote: Aug 22nd, 2021, 4:22 pm Thank god that the Cons are not in control of immigration of this magnitude. When the Cons were in power - the selection metric was to only allow "Christian" Syrians into the country to buoy their base and votes. Vetting Afghan "Christians" would be next to impossible.
As usual you don’t have the first clue. Harper was in Afghanistan quite often, he made the trips on a low key basis without a bunch of media fanfare and media photo-ops and grandstanding.. Harper was exponentially better versed on the situation in Afghanistan than Trudeau will ever be, just talk to any members of the Canadian armed forces that were in Afghanistan during the Harper years, he was well thought of and respected.
I find it quite bizarre that people think Harper should have forced people who were working to rebuild Afghanistan to leave Afghanistan while he was PM.

It's as though Harper was PM when the US announced they were pulling out.

This is what the total inability to acknowledge Justin Trudeau's failures to take seriously his responsibilities as PM looks like.

For many months, our PMO knew the US was pulling out of Afghanistan - just as we all did.

For weeks, people in Afghanistan who didn't want to risk staying during and after the withdrawal were trying to get the paperwork done to get out of the country, paperwork that was stalled in the mire of our sluggish Canadian government bureaucracy.

For weeks, the Trudeau government wasn't expediting the process as people at risk in Afghanistan waited on tenterhooks for our government to give them a modicum of control over their predicament. Instead, for weeks, Trudeau was busy plotting his next move, weighing his options for taking more control of the Canadian government.

And after weeks of ignoring pleas for help from Afghanistan, and even as the Canadian embassy in Kabul was being closed as the Taliban took Kabul, Trudeau was waltzing into Rideau Hall with his pretty, perfectly safe family and his pretty, perfectly vacuous smile to ask our GG to let him have what he wanted, instead of doing the serious stuff for which he was already responsible. What effect did the erupting crisis in Afghanistan have on Trudeau's opportunistic power grab? None whatsoever.

"Oh, well, no big deal, Canada. We'll just express our sad feelings about Afghanistan and promise to take 20,000 refugees! That will make up for the bad optics of me not taking my job seriously, right?"
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rustled wrote:

I find it quite bizarre that people think Harper should have forced people who were working to rebuild Afghanistan to leave Afghanistan while he was PM.

It's as though Harper was PM when the US announced they were pulling out.

This is what the total inability to acknowledge Justin Trudeau's failures to take seriously his responsibilities as PM looks like.

For many months, our PMO knew the US was pulling out of Afghanistan - just as we all did.

For weeks, people in Afghanistan who didn't want to risk staying during and after the withdrawal were trying to get the paperwork done to get out of the country, paperwork that was stalled in the mire of our sluggish Canadian government bureaucracy.

For weeks, the Trudeau government wasn't expediting the process as people at risk in Afghanistan waited on tenterhooks for our government to give them a modicum of control over their predicament. Instead, for weeks, Trudeau was busy plotting his next move, weighing his options for taking more control of the Canadian government.

And after weeks of ignoring pleas for help from Afghanistan, and even as the Canadian embassy in Kabul was being closed as the Taliban took Kabul, Trudeau was waltzing into Rideau Hall with his pretty, perfectly safe family and his pretty, perfectly vacuous smile to ask our GG to let him have what he wanted, instead of doing the serious stuff for which he was already responsible. What effect did the erupting crisis in Afghanistan have on Trudeau's opportunistic power grab? None whatsoever.

"Oh, well, no big deal, Canada. We'll just express our sad feelings about Afghanistan and promise to take 20,000 refugees! That will make up for the bad optics of me not taking my job seriously, right?"
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Trudeau has lots of blood on his hands from his complete failure during C-19.

Now this. Trudeau's Train Wreck just keeps getting worse and worse.

Former Afghan interpreter: Trudeau will have “blood on his hands” if families get executed


Sahar addressed Canada’s prime minister Justin Trudeau on CTV’s Power Play: “If my family gets executed, or any other family gets executed, know that you have the blood on your hands”

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At the end of the day, Canada relied too much on US intelligence in regard to Afghanistan. Not 1 of the main contingents (US, UK, Can) saw the crumbling of the nation so quickly. It isn't the fault of the military and politicians that the Afghan's turned tail and ran within days. If the Afghan army would have done their job - any of the people that wanted to come to immigrate would have done so on their own timeline. Most of these Afghans wanted to be the change they were shown by the allied forces and stay. But that just didn't happen. How that is Trudeaus fault is crazy. The cudda, shudda and wuddah is irrelevant. Besides what's in the past is in the past. It's a clean slate. At least that's what I hear all the time from conservative shills. What's important is that Canada is bringing our comrades home right now.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 9:57 am At the end of the day, Canada relied too much on US intelligence in regard to Afghanistan.
Well, with absolutely NO intelligence in the Liberal government, they had to rely on someone!
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 10:00 amWell, with absolutely NO intelligence in the Liberal government, they had to rely on someone!
CSIS may be small - but it has a strong legacy. And no - the Liberals are not lacking in intelligence. They sealed the deal in the 3rd period in one game. And then scored on an empty net in the other. I predict a hard-fought 3 periods - but the win will be with the Liberals where it belongs.
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To understand what is happening now in Afghanistan and why partisan CPC blowhards are complaining about filling out paperwork for the delay in getting the Afghani refugees, we should go back in history and find out who escalated our involvement there in the first place that cost Candian lIves and north of 18 billion dollars and who would that be?.......... :biggrin:
It is alarming for many Canadians to watch Stephen Harper, the head of a minority government with the support of fewer than 40% of citizens, turn Canada into a nation of war. But that is what is happening.

The roots of Harper's preference for war go to the core of his view of government: maintaining a strong, war-fighting armed forces is one of the few roles that Harper believes government should have............

It will go down in history as one of our country's biggest foreign policy disasters........

Stephen Harper's contempt for Canada and what it became in the decades following the Second World War is firmly on the record. Most of his comments--his sneering dismissal of our egalitarianism and sense of community--relate to social programs like Medicare..........

It was not until recently that he revealed his disdain for Canada's three decades of peacekeeping. In a CBC interview conducted as Parliament resumed sitting in September, Harper showed that he relished the fact that Canadian soldiers were war-fighting, and dismissed Canada's peacekeeping history as virtual cowardice: "For a lot of the last 30 or 40 years, we were the ones hanging back." He even mused that the deaths of Canadian soldiers were a boost for the military--cathartic after years of not being able to kill or die like real soldiers. :200: "I can tell you it's certainly engaged our military. It's, I think, made them a better military, notwithstanding--and maybe in some way because of--the casualties.".......

You have only to look at Harper's history and his government's "five priorities" to understand why he would get Canada and himself deeper into a conflict he cannot win. For five years, in the middle of his political career, Harper was with the National Citizens Coalition, an extreme right-wing organization that was founded by an insurance company millionaire explicitly to fight public Medicare. Its slogan is "More freedom through less government." It is virtually impossible for Stephen Harper to recognize Canadian leadership in any field--such as Medicare--that he believes Canada should not be involved in. For the Conservative prime minister, the Afghanistan conflict may be literally the first time that Canada has shown real leadership in decades.

Harper can finally be proud of Canada, now that we are making war. It does not even matter to him that more Canadians question the country's commitment to the increasingly distorted mission in Afghanistan (49%) than support the mission (38%). Embarrassed for years about living in a “socialist” country, Harper can now hold his head high where it counts: in Calgary and Washington, D.C.....
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Yup, Not to hard to understand the motivations of the war hawk PM that escalated the war for Canadians in Afghanistan. It was because Emperor Harper wanted to look like a strong leader in front of the world aND in particular, the US.......in another words, plain ole vanity was his motivation.

That's how it was in 2006 but 8 years later after getting our behind smacked by the Taliban, he turned into a little dove and pulled out all our troops from there. He certainly wasn't thinking about our Afghani allies as he turned us around and high tailed it out of there. I'm actually shocked he manged to bring over those paltry 800 Afghani Allies that risked there lives to help our troops. Not only did he treat the Afghani badly, he also had no use for the returning vets in showing no support for them after the war as in zero......nada.

For the same partisan CPC windbags to criticize JT and his efforts to bring over 20,000 refugees in a country where he had no involvement in, is the height of hypocrisy and two-faceness but then again, no surprise there.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Aug 22nd, 2021, 4:22 pm Thank god that the Cons are not in control of immigration of this magnitude. When the Cons were in power - the selection metric was to only allow "Christian" Syrians into the country to buoy their base and votes. Vetting Afghan "Christians" would be next to impossible.
And the Libs aren't letting in future Liberal voters to further their globalist causes?
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oldtrucker wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 1:58 pmAnd the Libs aren't letting in future Liberal voters to further their globalist causes?
If the Liberals gain votes as a result of this it will be deserved. The Afghans let into Canada under Trudeau were looking down the barrel of a loaded gun. Whereas the Syrian refugees had enough time to be sought out and vetted by Conservatives and their missionaries. There is s huge difference.
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^^^ Maybe one day people will come to terms that there are approx 7,900,000,000 on earth with a few billion of them not in ideal conditions and that it isn't up to Canada or any other nation to rescue everyone in the world from themselves. 7.9 billion.....gotta say stop, no more sometime.
If they played a big role in helping our forces while over there-then yes....do what we can to help them (those particular people) out....but that was part of what the last 20 years was about. Has it occurred to some that the Taliban are there still because a large portion of the people of the region want them there ?
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oldtrucker wrote: Aug 23rd, 2021, 2:46 pmHas it occurred to some that the Taliban are there still because a large portion of the people of the region want them there ?
No. That hasn't occurred to rational people. Especially the ones who are trying feverishly to get their interpreters and government workers out. Because military personnel and journalists all know that it isn't a choice to have the Taliban. It is an "or else".

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