Canada accepting 20,000 Afghanistan's

[Gone_Fishin]

At the end of the day, Canada relied too much on US intelligence in regard to Afghanistan.

Well, with absolutely NO intelligence in the Liberal government, they had to rely on someone!

[nucksRnum1]

Well, with absolutely NO intelligence in the Liberal government, they had to rely on someone!

CSIS may be small - but it has a strong legacy. And no - the Liberals are not lacking in intelligence. They sealed the deal in the 3rd period in one game. And then scored on an empty net in the other. I predict a hard-fought 3 periods - but the win will be with the Liberals where it belongs.

[nucksRnum1]

[foenix]

To understand what is happening now in Afghanistan and why partisan CPC blowhards are complaining about filling out paperwork for the delay in getting the Afghani refugees, we should go back in history and find out who escalated our involvement there in the first place that cost Candian lIves and north of 18 billion dollars and who would that be?..........

It is alarming for many Canadians to watch Stephen Harper, the head of a minority government with the support of fewer than 40% of citizens, turn Canada into a nation of war. But that is what is happening.

The roots of Harper's preference for war go to the core of his view of government: maintaining a strong, war-fighting armed forces is one of the few roles that Harper believes government should have............

It will go down in history as one of our country's biggest foreign policy disasters........

Stephen Harper's contempt for Canada and what it became in the decades following the Second World War is firmly on the record. Most of his comments--his sneering dismissal of our egalitarianism and sense of community--relate to social programs like Medicare..........

It was not until recently that he revealed his disdain for Canada's three decades of peacekeeping. In a CBC interview conducted as Parliament resumed sitting in September, Harper showed that he relished the fact that Canadian soldiers were war-fighting, and dismissed Canada's peacekeeping history as virtual cowardice: "For a lot of the last 30 or 40 years, we were the ones hanging back." He even mused that the deaths of Canadian soldiers were a boost for the military--cathartic after years of not being able to kill or die like real soldiers. "I can tell you it's certainly engaged our military. It's, I think, made them a better military, notwithstanding--and maybe in some way because of--the casualties.".......

You have only to look at Harper's history and his government's "five priorities" to understand why he would get Canada and himself deeper into a conflict he cannot win. For five years, in the middle of his political career, Harper was with the National Citizens Coalition, an extreme right-wing organization that was founded by an insurance company millionaire explicitly to fight public Medicare. Its slogan is "More freedom through less government." It is virtually impossible for Stephen Harper to recognize Canadian leadership in any field--such as Medicare--that he believes Canada should not be involved in. For the Conservative prime minister, the Afghanistan conflict may be literally the first time that Canada has shown real leadership in decades.

Harper can finally be proud of Canada, now that we are making war. It does not even matter to him that more Canadians question the country's commitment to the increasingly distorted mission in Afghanistan (49%) than support the mission (38%). Embarrassed for years about living in a “socialist” country, Harper can now hold his head high where it counts: in Calgary and Washington, D.C.....

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/publi ... an-mission

Yup, Not to hard to understand the motivations of the war hawk PM that escalated the war for Canadians in Afghanistan. It was because Emperor Harper wanted to look like a strong leader in front of the world aND in particular, the US.......in another words, plain ole vanity was his motivation.

That's how it was in 2006 but 8 years later after getting our behind smacked by the Taliban, he turned into a little dove and pulled out all our troops from there. He certainly wasn't thinking about our Afghani allies as he turned us around and high tailed it out of there. I'm actually shocked he manged to bring over those paltry 800 Afghani Allies that risked there lives to help our troops. Not only did he treat the Afghani badly, he also had no use for the returning vets in showing no support for them after the war as in zero......nada.

For the same partisan CPC windbags to criticize JT and his efforts to bring over 20,000 refugees in a country where he had no involvement in, is the height of hypocrisy and two-faceness but then again, no surprise there.

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[nucksRnum1]

And the Libs aren't letting in future Liberal voters to further their globalist causes?

If the Liberals gain votes as a result of this it will be deserved. The Afghans let into Canada under Trudeau were looking down the barrel of a loaded gun. Whereas the Syrian refugees had enough time to be sought out and vetted by Conservatives and their missionaries. There is s huge difference.

[nucksRnum1]

Has it occurred to some that the Taliban are there still because a large portion of the people of the region want them there ?

No. That hasn't occurred to rational people. Especially the ones who are trying feverishly to get their interpreters and government workers out. Because military personnel and journalists all know that it isn't a choice to have the Taliban. It is an "or else".

[hobbyguy]

^^^ Maybe one day people will come to terms that there are approx 7,900,000,000 on earth with a few billion of them not in ideal conditions and that it isn't up to Canada or any other nation to rescue everyone in the world from themselves. 7.9 billion.....gotta say stop, no more sometime.
If they played a big role in helping our forces while over there-then yes....do what we can to help them (those particular people) out....but that was part of what the last 20 years was about. Has it occurred to some that the Taliban are there still because a large portion of the people of the region want them there ?

The Taliban "government" has always been and is "government at the end of gun barrel".

I still don't understand how Trump thought starting "negotiations" with such a terrorist group was going to end well, nor do I understand Biden following along that path. Might as well try to negotiate with a zonked out meth head that has roid rage to boot.

Negotiation implies a level of rationality, and the Taliban are entirely irrational.

I note that some ad hoc groups are starting in with fighting the Taliban.

On the other side of the coin the CCP in China is somehow ok with the Taliban being in control of Afghanistan. To me, that entirely delegiimizes the Taliban (although that notion needed no help). The CCP in China are playing a dangerous game. They have Islamic folks in western China really annoyed with them already - and the Taliban don't care about borders.

[rustled]

At the end of the day, Canada relied too much on US intelligence in regard to Afghanistan.

Well, with absolutely NO intelligence in the Liberal government, they had to rely on someone!

It's interesting to watch people here bending over backwards to pretend that Trudeau didn't have weeks during which he could have chosen to help the Canadians and our allies who were still in Afghanistan and were trying to get their paperwork done so they could get out. Weeks during which Trudeau was preoccupied with whether or not to call a snap election.

Trudeau completely fumbled this, and then tried to distract us from his ineptitude by promising to accept 20,000 refugees.

[hobbyguy]

Well, with absolutely NO intelligence in the Liberal government, they had to rely on someone!

It's interesting to watch people here bending over backwards to pretend that Trudeau didn't have weeks during which he could have chosen to help the Canadians and our allies who were still in Afghanistan and were trying to get their paperwork done so they could get out. Weeks during which Trudeau was preoccupied with whether or not to call a snap election.

Trudeau completely fumbled this, and then tried to distract us from his ineptitude by promising to accept 20,000 refugees.

The pretense by CPC aficiandos that Canada was in a position to do more is just a joke. Canada pulled out of Afghanistan years ago. We had no troops on the ground, no military infrastructure in Afghanistan to speak of.

But that's real facts, and CPC aficianados would rather ignore facts and realities than wear the past sins of the likes of Jason Kenney and the CPC who deliberately left these folks behind when pulling out in 2014.

[rustled]

It's interesting to watch people here bending over backwards to pretend that Trudeau didn't have weeks during which he could have chosen to help the Canadians and our allies who were still in Afghanistan and were trying to get their paperwork done so they could get out. Weeks during which Trudeau was preoccupied with whether or not to call a snap election.

Trudeau completely fumbled this, and then tried to distract us from his ineptitude by promising to accept 20,000 refugees.

The pretense by CPC aficiandos that Canada was in a position to do more is just a joke. Canada pulled out of Afghanistan years ago. We had no troops on the ground, no military infrastructure in Afghanistan to speak of.

People - Canadians and allies - in Afghanistan applying to return to Canada were dealing with Canadian bureaucracy. You're deflecting to military infrastructure when that has nothing to do with their problem - they were stalled by paperwork, not by the troops or military infrastructure.

You're presenting facts that have nothing to do with the issue, so you can help Trudeau avoid accountability by doing this:

But that's real facts, and CPC aficianados would rather ignore facts and realities than wear the past sins of the likes of Jason Kenney and the CPC who deliberately left these folks behind when pulling out in 2014.

You're being silly here, and IMO it's unlikely rational people will go along with your partisan foolishness.

We know that the people who have been trying to get out of Afghanistan for the past few weeks were not trying to leave in 2014. They started trying a few weeks ago, when the US decided to pull out. Their paperwork was stalled, their window of opportunity closed while Trudeau was preoccupied with matters that meant more to him - e.g., whether or not he could benefit by calling a snap election.

These people were unable to get their paperwork through in a timely fashion under Trudeau's watch, while Trudeau neglected to pay attention to what was happening in Afghanistan "because election, me me me", and now Trudeau is trying to cover up for the consequences of his neglect by making promises to take in 20,000 refugees.

[foenix]

When has any government moved in a speedy fashion?......on either side. If the hope here is that the CPC or Harper would have moved in a more timely fashion, I've got a goose that lays golden eggs for sale.

At some point the onus is on the applicant to put the paperwork in before 2 weeks in the hope that last ditch paperwork gets processed. It's only rationale that as the ink was drying on the treaty signed by that dufus Trump in late 2020 with the Taliban, the application should have started then, not 2 weeks ago. The Afghanis knew 5000 Taliban would be let out and the US was going to pull out in May. Where were the applications to leave in May even, or June, or July? Why wait til the last min when the plane is literally leaving Afghanistan.

If there are blame to go around, it's for partisan reasons that JT is single out in a country he had no involvement in........hello....Emperor Harper.........

[rustled]

Trudeau was caught completely flat-footed when people were trying to get out of Afghanistan - he doesn't "think" about pesky stuff like why our parliament should be in session during a crisis. He thinks about more important things:

Shut down Parliament for this garden-party of a useless election, and who cares what goes on in Afghanistan?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/r ... d=msedgntp

Ah, but pretend there was nothing government could have done to expedite the government paperwork, and promise to accept 20,000 refugees, and it's all good - right?

The Brits returned to full session to pass a motion condemning the witlessness and carelessness of Joe Biden, and his decision to remove American troops from Afghanistan. They didn’t call it a She-vacuation. They called it “contemptible” and “shameful.” One Tory MP, obviously mincing his words, called it “catastrophic, cack-handed, cruel and humiliating … a watershed in the failure of the West.” And former prime minister Tony Blair thought that epic catalogue would be improved by adding “imbecilic.”

What’s your view? Do you agree with the Brits? Or do you hope to skate past the Afghanistan horror, and our unpreparedness, the plight of our stranded citizens and interpreter allies, because it might cast a slight gloom on some of the campaign meet and greet in Aurora or St. John’s?

Just a thought, do you plan a dedicated address to Canadian veterans of Afghanistan? Will this crisis have its own debate?

Oh, well, we'll take 20,000, and that'll make up for it...

NOT.

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