The real choice for Prime Minister

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The Green Barbarian wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 9:25 am
hobbyguy wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 9:20 am It is interesting how many do not seem to understand the Canadian parliamentary system. We do not get to vote for who is prime minister, we vote for who is the best person to represent us in our local electoral district.
That's why for people in Kelowna it's a no brainer - you get the best candidate and the best choice for PM by voting for the Conservatives.
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Same here in the South Okanagan - Kootenay riding.

I'm quite happy with O'Toole's performance during this campaign. Trudeau has been flatfooted throughout, and seems utterly unprepared despite having intentionally foisted this election on us. He really seems to be making everything up as he goes along, as though for him governance is an ongoing evening of improv. Turns out he's not very good at ad-libbing, though.

While improv can be fun theatre, it's no way to govern. Trudeau is a man without a plan - and a failure to plan is a plan to fail. Time for a new prime minister. O'Toole's not only our best hope for a change, he's also a good fit.
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rustled wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 9:51 am
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Same here in the South Okanagan - Kootenay riding.

I'm quite happy with O'Toole's performance during this campaign. Trudeau has been flatfooted throughout, and seems utterly unprepared despite having intentionally foisted this election on us. He really seems to be making everything up as he goes along, as though for him governance is an ongoing evening of improv. Turns out he's not very good at ad-libbing, though.

While improv can be fun theatre, it's no way to govern. Trudeau is a man without a plan - and a failure to plan is a plan to fail. Time for a new prime minister. O'Toole's not only our best hope for a change, he's also a good fit.
Rustled, not sure if you saw the footage this morning of Justin trying to make a "climate change announcement" in Cambridge Ontario - seems that with everything else failing, now it's time to sell the "climate change boogey-man" as their last desperate and probably futile attempt to salvage what has been one of the most disastrous campaigns since Kim Campbell in 1992. I posted it in another thread earlier.

What was interesting in the footage wasn't Justin's usual platitude blathering and nonsensical message "you're all doomed to die a horrible cataclysmic death wrought by man-made climate change if you don't vote Liberal", it was that I could barely hear it, due to the large contingent, surely outnumbering the Liberal supporters, who showed up to boo Justin and yell "vote him out" and "get off the stage". This movement to show up and boo Justin started last week, and seems to be growing each day, as more and more people want to vent their anger at him for six years of betrayal and this insanely stupid election call, in person. Interesting phenomenon in crowd behavior and group psychology - people just want something, any way they can find, to get out all of their anger and frustration with the Liberals, and who better to do it in front of, but the symbol of vacuousness and uncaring that they've grown to despise - Justin Trudeau.

You don't get to just build a positive PM image on stupid empty photo-ops like kneeling in graveyards with teddy bears, with fake tears rolling down your cheeks. You have to show you actually care, with real actions. Calling an election of out of naked self interest when the entire country is reeling and hurting shows you don't give a darn, at all. This was the last straw. The Liberals blew it. At this rate, Justin is going to just have to go hide in a basement; he's just going to keep drawing bigger and bigger crowds of angry people who want him gone.
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erinmore3775 wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 8:27 am
Perhaps the best solution would be a coalition government. At the moment, both the Liberal and the NDP candidates have demonstrated better and more community support and involvement than the incumbent. All things considered, I will probably continue to vote for the best candidate to represent my riding than for the party. If others did the same perhaps we would get a more representative government and maybe a coalition government.
Which riding are you talking about? Certainly not any in the Okanagan, that's for sure.
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hobbyguy wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 9:20 amWe do not get to vote for who is prime minister, we vote for who is the best person to represent us in our local electoral district.
I suspect that many will ignore the qualities of their local candidate and vote for Prime Minister through them. This is how many ridings end up with poor representation.
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I for one have always voted for the best local candidate first and considered party affiliation second. I am not impressed with either Mr. O'Toole or Mr. Trudeau. In fact, I believe that both of these leaders would say anything at anytime if they thought it would convince you to vote for them. They represent parties that in the past have lied to the public, been unethical, and funnelled money to favoured groups. The most trusted leader seems to be Mr. Singh. The NDP candidate in my riding also has a long history of community support, in sharp contrast to the CPC incumbent. I have traditional progressive conservative values and therein is my quandary...vote for an incompetent boob who only wants the pension, vote for competent candidate whose party offers more of the same, or vote for a competent candidate whose party is untested in power but offers a set of alternatives.

Yes, GB, I would be voting for Dan Albas if I was in his riding, but I am not.
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fluffy wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 7:17 am I'm wondering, didn't Mr. Singh mention the idea of an NDP/Liberal coalition to keep the CPC from gaining power during the last election ? Given the way the Libs are sliding in the polls there's a pretty good chance that could be on the table again.
Should there be a minority government, I suspect you will see the Bloc jump on board to support the Conservatives.
Trudeau has upset Quebec by meddling in their medical system.
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bb49 wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 8:11 pmShould there be a minority government, I suspect you will see the Bloc jump on board to support the Conservatives.
Trudeau has upset Quebec by meddling in their medical system.
That's a possibility, but the Bloc sits left of centre and might be hesitant of jumping on a right wing bandwagon, and the CPC and the Bloc together might still have trouble achieving a majority. Current forecasts would put them a few seats short.
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bb49 wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 8:11 pm Should there be a minority government, I suspect you will see the Bloc jump on board to support the Conservatives.
Trudeau has upset Quebec by meddling in their medical system.
Not too sure about that.
Mr. Blanchet has said that Mr. O’Toole's positions on climate change, health transfers and child care issues are not compatible with the interests of Quebec.
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Mr. O'Toole and the CPC can't be happy with the heckling situation in Ontario the last few days. I'm sure he'd just as soon keep that dark side of the right tucked away for now.
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fluffy wrote: Aug 30th, 2021, 7:21 am Mr. O'Toole and the CPC can't be happy with the heckling situation in Ontario the last few days. I'm sure he'd just as soon keep that dark side of the right tucked away for now.
Those are Liberals doing the heckling.

They recognize that the Great Reset means being in opposition for a decade while they sanitize the party after Trudeau's stench infected it.

They've got a big job ahead of them cleaning that mess up.
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hobbyguy wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 9:20 am Ask yourself how much better our Canadian government would be if folks the like Jody Wilson Raybould and Michael Chong were the majority of MPs chosen. Independent thinkers with great intellectual agility and empathy for all of their constituents that seek to unite and better their communities. Both were and are prepared to risk their political careers to seek something better for Canada and their constituents with a minimal number of blind spots.
I can't seriously be the only one that sees the incredible amount of irony in this post from one of the most prolific Trudeau supporters on CNet!

Could not agree more with this sentiment HG. :130:

Such a shame things didn't really work out for Ms Wilson Raybould but sadly that's what happens when you stand up to a staggeringly corrupt and evil narcissist like Sockboy. At least she can hold her head up high knowing she stood her ground and didn't cower to him.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: Aug 30th, 2021, 7:52 amThose are Liberals doing the heckling.
"Conservative candidate Kyle Seeback said Saturday some of his campaign volunteers were at the Liberal event shut down by police last night amid a tenuous security situation."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conser ... -1.6156959

Keep in mind that while CPC candidates may openly denounce their far right supporters, there can be no denying that these people do exist, and in numbers large enough to be seriously disruptive when they so choose. Should a Conservative government take power these people will see that as a blank cheque to continue on the path they have chosen, a path that says aggressive behavior is a legitimate politcal tool. Is that the future we want for Canada ?
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fluffy wrote: Aug 29th, 2021, 4:14 pm
I suspect that many will ignore the qualities of their local candidate and vote for Prime Minister through them. This is how many ridings end up with poor representation.
and no riding better represents this theory than Penticton.
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fluffy wrote: Aug 30th, 2021, 7:21 am Mr. O'Toole and the CPC can't be happy with the heckling situation in Ontario the last few days. I'm sure he'd just as soon keep that dark side of the right tucked away for now.
I can't see Singh or Bernier being very happy with the heckling either, given the PPC and NDP supporters are in there giving Trudeau a ton of "heck" as well.
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