China gets ship building contract from Liberals

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How do conservatives expect to be taken seriously about the 2 Michaels - when they rolled over and showed their belly to China?
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 9:48 am
Ka-El wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 7:57 am It certainly won’t be easy and could potentially cost us even more.
p.s. Harper committed us to this treaty for 31 years.
Great Point. It's so crazy that everything for conservatives is so black/white or easy. It's easy to say you can stand up to China when you obviously can't. Perfectly illustrated by your treaty find. That's such a wet rag door mat treaty. But hey - conservatives are gonna play hardball! Pfftt
From the government website regarding the FIPA agreement:

but “investment” does not mean:
(k) claims to money that arise solely from
(i) commercial contracts for the sale of goods or services, or

Agreement Between the Government of Canada and the Government of the People's Republic of China for the Promotion and Reciprocal Protection of Investments

Definitions
For the purpose of this Agreement,
1. “investment” means:
(a) an enterprise;
(b) shares, stocks and other forms of equity participation in an enterprise;
(c) bonds, debentures, and other debt instruments of an enterprise;
(d) a loan to an enterprise
(i) where the enterprise is an affiliate of the investor, or
(ii) where the original maturity of the loan is at least three years;
(e) notwithstanding sub-paragraphs (c) and (d) above, a loan to or debt security issued by a financial institution is an investment only where the loan or debt security is treated as regulatory capital by the Contracting Party in whose territory the financial institution is located;
(f) an interest in an enterprise that entitles the owner to share in the income or profits of the enterprise;
(g) an interest in an enterprise that entitles the owner to share in the assets of that enterprise on dissolution;
(h) interests arising from the commitment of capital or other resources in the territory of a Contracting Party to economic activity in such territory, such as under
(i) contracts involving the presence of an investor’s property in the territory of the Contracting Party, including turnkey or construction contracts, or concessions to search for and extract oil and other natural resources, or
(ii) contracts where remuneration depends substantially on the production, revenue or profits of an enterprise;
(i) intellectual property rights; and
(j) any other tangible or intangible, moveable or immovable, property and related property rights acquired or used for business purposes;

but “investment” does not mean:
(k) claims to money that arise solely from
(i) commercial contracts for the sale of goods or services, or


...So unless all the contract-speak that's written after that statement somehow contradicts it for the purpose of ship building, it looks like Trudeau wasn't obligated to enter into this contract with China...?

https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-c ... x?lang=eng
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:08 am How do conservatives expect to be taken seriously about the 2 Michaels - when they rolled over and showed their belly to China?
FIPA is a two-way agreement that benefits Canada as well.

If Trudeau hadn't snatched Meng Wanzhou then China wouldn't have snatched The Two Michaels. Trudeau was offside with this agreement. Lay blame where blame is due.
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Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:30 am
nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:08 am How do conservatives expect to be taken seriously about the 2 Michaels - when they rolled over and showed their belly to China?
FIPA is a two-way agreement that benefits Canada as well.

If Trudeau hadn't snatched Meng Wanzhou then China wouldn't have snatched The Two Michaels. Trudeau was offside with this agreement. Lay blame where blame is due.
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How can people allege to be so sure the 2 Michaels wouldn't have been snatched regardless? *removed*
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:42 am
Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:30 am
FIPA is a two-way agreement that benefits Canada as well.

If Trudeau hadn't snatched Meng Wanzhou then China wouldn't have snatched The Two Michaels. Trudeau was offside with this agreement. Lay blame where blame is due.
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How can people allege to be so sure the 2 Michaels wouldn't have been snatched regardless? *removed*
Do you honestly believe their arrest was simply coincidence?
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:42 am
Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:30 am If Trudeau hadn't snatched Meng Wanzhou then China wouldn't have snatched The Two Michaels. Trudeau was offside with this agreement. Lay blame where blame is due.
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How can people allege to be so sure the 2 Michaels wouldn't have been snatched regardless? *removed*
Oh, I don't know, call it a hunch.
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bb49 wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 12:37 pm
nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:42 am How can people allege to be so sure the 2 Michaels wouldn't have been snatched regardless? *removed*
Do you honestly believe their arrest was simply coincidence?
Perhaps he also believes it's a coincidence that they were all released at the same time, too.
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Rejigger wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:30 am
nucksRnum1 wrote: Sep 13th, 2021, 10:08 am How do conservatives expect to be taken seriously about the 2 Michaels - when they rolled over and showed their belly to China?
FIPA is a two-way agreement that benefits Canada as well.

If Trudeau hadn't snatched Meng Wanzhou then China wouldn't have snatched The Two Michaels. Trudeau was offside with this agreement. Lay blame where blame is due.
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The US wanted Wanzhou
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It is interesting that the Trudeau bashers from the CPC once again show their lack of fact based grasp.

The Canadian contract was given to a Swedish company to provide a chartered vessel. It was the Swedish company that then contracted the CSOC to build the vessel.

The sabre rattling by Canadian shipyards is hollow. They can not even keep up with the contracts they have.

It is all nonsense... like most of the CPC Trudeau bashing - which is designed to deflect attention from the abject incompetence of Conservative gubmints.
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hobbyguy wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 12:17 pm It is interesting that the Trudeau bashers from the CPC once again show their lack of fact based grasp.

The Canadian contract was given to a Swedish company to provide a chartered vessel. It was the Swedish company that then contracted the CSOC to build the vessel.

The sabre rattling by Canadian shipyards is hollow. They can not even keep up with the contracts they have.

It is all nonsense... like most of the CPC Trudeau bashing - which is designed to deflect attention from the abject incompetence of Conservative gubmints.
A quick glance at this forum suggests the China bogeyman is the tory DIs' latest shiny object. That's okay, they need something to keep their minds off the fact that they just lost another election. Expect more of the same on this forum for the foreseeable future, fabricated vitriol, rinse, repeat. It's all they've got.
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Catri wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 12:46 pm
A quick glance at this forum suggests the China bogeyman is the tory DIs' latest shiny object.
And it also seems that the Liberal DI's strategy is to deflect and outright lie about how much help the Chinese commies gave the Liberals, and the Liberals still lost the election. The Liberals hopped into bed with an evil foreign power and still lost. Talk about inept!!
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 2:46 pm
Catri wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 12:46 pm
A quick glance at this forum suggests the China bogeyman is the tory DIs' latest shiny object.
And it also seems that the Liberal DI's strategy is to deflect and outright lie about how much help the Chinese commies gave the Liberals, and the Liberals still lost the election. The Liberals hopped into bed with an evil foreign power and still lost. Talk about inept!!
Repeating utter nonsense over and over and over does not make it true. That really does seem to be a CPC problem.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 2:46 pm
Catri wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 12:46 pm
A quick glance at this forum suggests the China bogeyman is the tory DIs' latest shiny object.
And it also seems that the Liberal DI's strategy is to deflect and outright lie about how much help the Chinese commies gave the Liberals, and the Liberals still lost the election. The Liberals hopped into bed with an evil foreign power and still lost. Talk about inept!!
Yeah, just like that. 😄
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hobbyguy wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 12:17 pm It is interesting that the Trudeau bashers from the CPC once again show their lack of fact based grasp.

The Canadian contract was given to a Swedish company to provide a chartered vessel. It was the Swedish company that then contracted the CSOC to build the vessel.
The Swedish company would have been obligated to inform Canada that the ship construction was being assigned to another country.
And knowing it was going to a Chinese company should have set off alarm bells.

That is assuming the Canadians weren't asleep on the job.
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hobbyguy wrote: Sep 25th, 2021, 4:49 pm

Repeating utter nonsense over and over and over does not make it true.
A fact that I wish all Liberal aficionados would take to heart, for once.
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