Chinese commies hand Liberals 12 seats

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PoplarSoul wrote: Sep 27th, 2021, 9:21 am Which Canadian ridings will be investigated?
Where are those 12 seats exactly?
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For the record, it isn’t only Conservative supporters who are concerned about China’s influence in Canada
Canada’s intelligence agencies have taken the rare step of naming China as a significant threat to the country’s sovereignty, with CSIS director David Vigneault publicly saying in a February 2021 speech that Canadians are being “aggressively” targeted by foreign interests – and Beijing was engaged in “activities that are a direct threat to our national security and sovereignty.”

“Under the Chinese Communist regime, Chinese Communist Party members have an executive decision role in all of the companies and NGOs that operate out of China,” Cherie Wong, executive director of Alliance Canada Hong Kong, explained to CTVNews.ca in an interview.

Wong’s observations were seconded by Charles Burton, senior fellow at the MacDonald-Laurier Institute and an expert on Canada-China relations.

“All business enterprises in China, whether they're state-owned enterprises or non- state-owned enterprises, have at the peak of their organization the Chinese Communist Party branch, which coordinates the activities of every organization so that it serves the interests of all,” Burton said in a telephone interview with CTVNews.ca.

Burton, using the example of Chinese telecom giant Huawei, said that “under Chinese law, all Chinese citizens are required to cooperate with the Chinese intelligence and security services if asked…If the Chinese state wanted to use Huawei to obtain personal data files or to identify means to sabotage critical infrastructure, then they would be required to provide that.”
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Merry wrote: Sep 27th, 2021, 10:26 am For the record, it isn’t only Conservative supporters who are concerned about China’s influence in Canada
Merry, I would like to compare the 12 ridings before and after election.
I want to know if they were Conservative ridings in 2019 turned Liberal in 2021.
Do you know which ridings former Conservative organizer Karamveer Lalh is talking about?
I have asked 3 times now and no one has any answers.
I'm thinking you would know.
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https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ ... s-election

It does not matter where I look for some substantiated information that indicates the CPC lost 12 seats in close races to influence from a foreign government it cannot be found. The 12 ridings are not named. The inference made though is that since the ridings had significant Chinese residency, a Canadian/Chinese candidate should have been elected. What Horse Pucky!

Many ridings in the lower BC mainland and in the GTA elected Chinese/Canadians, Indoasian/Canadians, and those of other ethnic backgrounds. The CPC loss in many of those ridings must be attributed to their rhetoric, positions on abortion and guns, and their rather inarticulate platform.

There is no doubt that lobbiests, both foreign and Canadian tried to influence voter decisions during the election. Early in the election, the CPC were very upset with the UNIFOR ads. While I agree that ALL lobbiests, both foreign and Canadian, MUST be registered, I caution against blanket suspression of political comments on platforms like WeChat, Twitter, Facebook, or even platforms like Castanet Opinion. It is important to note that forum comments posted here are often biased, bullying, and at times border on racist. When you throw out a blanket to cover influencers and commenters, you want to be careful about who and what you cover. While CSIS and the RCMP must always be concerned about foreign and Canadian influence during an election, legislation to control that must be carefully crafted as it may have unintended consequences.

This was an election no one wanted and each party did not get what they wanted. However, not to take responsibility for your political election shortcomings and cast the blame on a foreign government just shows how shallow your platform really was.
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erinmore3775 wrote: Sep 27th, 2021, 10:53 am https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ ... s-election

It does not matter where I look for some substantiated information that indicates the CPC lost 12 seats in close races to influence from a foreign government it cannot be found. The 12 ridings are not named. The inference made though is that since the ridings had significant Chinese residency, a Canadian/Chinese candidate should have been elected. What Horse Pucky!

Many ridings in the lower BC mainland and in the GTA elected Chinese/Canadians, Indoasian/Canadians, and those of other ethnic backgrounds. The CPC loss in many of those ridings must be attributed to their rhetoric, positions on abortion and guns, and their rather inarticulate platform.

There is no doubt that lobbiests, both foreign and Canadian tried to influence voter decisions during the election. Early in the election, the CPC were very upset with the UNIFOR ads. While I agree that ALL lobbiests, both foreign and Canadian, MUST be registered, I caution against blanket suspression of political comments on platforms like WeChat, Twitter, Facebook, or even platforms like Castanet Opinion. It is important to note that forum comments posted here are often biased, bullying, and at times border on racist. When you throw out a blanket to cover influencers and commenters, you want to be careful about who and what you cover. While CSIS and the RCMP must always be concerned about foreign and Canadian influence during an election, legislation to control that must be carefully crafted as it may have unintended consequences.

This was an election no one wanted and each party did not get what they wanted. However, not to take responsibility for your political election shortcomings and cast the blame on a foreign government just shows how shallow your platform really was.
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erinmore3775 wrote: Sep 27th, 2021, 10:53 am
What Horse Pucky!
The only horse pucky being spewed here is from pro-Liberal factions who have been thoroughly embarrassed that their close ties to the Chinese communists have been revealed, and also embarrassed that with the help of the Chinese commies, they still lost the election.
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Merry wrote: Sep 27th, 2021, 10:26 am For the record, it isn’t only Conservative supporters who are concerned about China’s influence in Canada
Canada’s intelligence agencies have taken the rare step of naming China as a significant threat to the country’s sovereignty, with CSIS director David Vigneault publicly saying in a February 2021 speech that Canadians are being “aggressively” targeted by foreign interests – and Beijing was engaged in “activities that are a direct threat to our national security and sovereignty.”

“Under the Chinese Communist regime, Chinese Communist Party members have an executive decision role in all of the companies and NGOs that operate out of China,” Cherie Wong, executive director of Alliance Canada Hong Kong, explained to CTVNews.ca in an interview.

Wong’s observations were seconded by Charles Burton, senior fellow at the MacDonald-Laurier Institute and an expert on Canada-China relations.

“All business enterprises in China, whether they're state-owned enterprises or non- state-owned enterprises, have at the peak of their organization the Chinese Communist Party branch, which coordinates the activities of every organization so that it serves the interests of all,” Burton said in a telephone interview with CTVNews.ca.

Burton, using the example of Chinese telecom giant Huawei, said that “under Chinese law, all Chinese citizens are required to cooperate with the Chinese intelligence and security services if asked…If the Chinese state wanted to use Huawei to obtain personal data files or to identify means to sabotage critical infrastructure, then they would be required to provide that.”
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Exactly Merry. Those who care about free and fair elections. This isn't a partisan issue. It's an issue about our democracy.
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so which 12 seats GB?
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GB, the tenor of your comments speaks volumes.

For those who would like to read the CSIS based report on Foreign Interference Threats to Canada's Democratic Process, it is here.

https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intel ... ocess.html

It is important to note that it references foreign government and agents. These include not only agents of China, but Russia, as well as other foreign influencers.

I urge those interested in this topic to read this summary, draw your own conclusions, and use them to analyze the complaints and innuendo used to explain the election results of some CPC candidates.
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erinmore3775 wrote: Sep 27th, 2021, 12:37 pm GB, the tenor of your comments speaks v
And Erin the tenor of your comments also speaks volumes, as well as the misleading content of your posts. It's quite obvious what the agenda is here, and that's to obfuscate and save Liberal behinds from the horrible embarrassment of being caught out hopping into bed with Chinese communists. It's just so ridiculous.

This needs to be investigated, immediately. Let's go NDP, BQ and CPC, open up the committees, right now, and nail the Liberals right to the wall.
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watch it Erinmore.. getting dangerously close to being branded a commie yourself by GB lol
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Sep 27th, 2021, 11:30 am
erinmore3775 wrote: Sep 27th, 2021, 10:53 am
What Horse Pucky!
The only horse pucky being spewed here is from pro-Liberal factions who have been thoroughly embarrassed that their close ties to the Chinese communists have been revealed, and also embarrassed that with the help of the Chinese commies, they still lost the election.
This sounds like Trump insisting he now won Arizona after the recent investigation amounted to *less* votes than previously counted.
Very unCanadian.
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