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The Green Barbarian wrote: Oct 18th, 2021, 5:10 pm Here's a perfect example of why the Paris Accords are just so dumb. Enviro-nuts in Sweden managed to get their main cement plant shut down, due to the apocalyptic fairy tale of man-made climate change. But what these people don't get is, their cement has to come from somewhere. So you'd rather have your cement coming from plants with much worse "emissions"? How freaking dumb are you enviro-lunatics??
How green champion Sweden could end up exporting its carbon sins

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - When a Swedish court ordered the country's biggest cement maker to stop mining limestone by its huge factory on the windswept island of Gotland to prevent pollution, ecologists cheered.

Besides protecting wildlife and water supplies, the ruling could force the plant that makes 75% of Sweden's cement and is the country's second biggest carbon emitter to slash output while it finds raw materials elsewhere, or even shut altogether.

That might be good for Sweden's emissions targets, but not such good news for the rest of the planet.

A government-commissioned report seen by Reuters said it could force Sweden to import cement from countries that pump out more emissions in the overall manufacturing process - or risk massive job losses in the construction industry at home.

"Imports from countries outside the EU would probably lead to larger environmental impacts as a result of lower standards related to CO2 emissions and lower standards in land use," the report, obtained via a freedom of information request, said.

Sweden's dilemma encapsulates one the challenges facing nations meeting in Glasgow for the U.N. COP26 climate talks: how to show they are not cutting emissions by simply exporting the problem elsewhere - a phenomenon known as "carbon leakage".
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... d=msedgntp
Too dumb to understand what this might mean relative to the above.
Cementa’s Stockholm cement terminal to transition to fly ash cement supply
Written by Global Cement Staff

18 October 2021

https://www.globalcement.com/news/item/ ... ent-supply

Sweden: Cementa has announced that its Stockholm cement terminal will no longer receive deliveries of its Slite brand cement and will instead begin solely stocking the company’s fly ash cement from 1 December 2021. The producer says that the transition will reduce the carbon footprint of the terminal’s products by 30,000t/yr. Slite cement will continue to be available from the nearby Köping and Oxelösund cement terminals.
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Nick Zenter from Central Washington University is a great lecturer. He really explains the geologic and earth science very well. My take away is what the earth has gone through throughout its history. You get a real perspective of time with his lectures. It appears too that volcanic action does play a role in climate change. Such as huge basalt floods that cover enormous areas, covering and killing all below. Interesting stuff,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUnfd5dX9hk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQhjkemEyUo
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Septuagenarian wrote: Oct 18th, 2021, 7:46 pm
Too dumb to understand what this might mean relative to the above.
What it means is that Sweden will have to get their cement elsewhere, which isn't going to save any "carbon emissions" (if you are dumb enough to care about such things) and instead have more emissions. These enviro-lunatics, by thinking that they are helping, are instead just causing more pain to the world. As is always the case. Their inability to see consequences of bad decisions all in the name of a warm tummy is causing things to be worse. If you honestly believe in this nonsense in the first place.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 8:51 am
Septuagenarian wrote: Oct 18th, 2021, 7:46 pm
Too dumb to understand what this might mean relative to the above.
What it means is that Sweden will have to get their cement elsewhere, which isn't going to save any "carbon emissions" (if you are dumb enough to care about such things) and instead have more emissions. These enviro-lunatics, by thinking that they are helping, are instead just causing more pain to the world. As is always the case. Their inability to see consequences of bad decisions all in the name of a warm tummy is causing things to be worse. If you honestly believe in this nonsense in the first place.
Sadly, that does nothing to answer my original question, so I'll make sure it's still out there.
Septuagenarian wrote: Oct 18th, 2021, 7:46 pm
The Green Barbarian wrote: Oct 18th, 2021, 5:10 pm Here's a perfect example of why the Paris Accords are just so dumb. Enviro-nuts in Sweden managed to get their main cement plant shut down, due to the apocalyptic fairy tale of man-made climate change. But what these people don't get is, their cement has to come from somewhere. So you'd rather have your cement coming from plants with much worse "emissions"? How freaking dumb are you enviro-lunatics??



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... d=msedgntp
Too dumb to understand what this might mean relative to the above.
Cementa’s Stockholm cement terminal to transition to fly ash cement supply
Written by Global Cement Staff

18 October 2021

https://www.globalcement.com/news/item/ ... ent-supply

Sweden: Cementa has announced that its Stockholm cement terminal will no longer receive deliveries of its Slite brand cement and will instead begin solely stocking the company’s fly ash cement from 1 December 2021. The producer says that the transition will reduce the carbon footprint of the terminal’s products by 30,000t/yr. Slite cement will continue to be available from the nearby Köping and Oxelösund cement terminals.
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And now I'm a dumb lunatic for seeing where they might even be able to get get their supplies from Canada.

https://www.heidelbergcement.com/en/canada

https://www.heidelbergcement.com/en/sweden
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Septuagenarian wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 9:30 am

Sadly, that does nothing to answer my original question, so I'll make sure it's still out there.
Honestly, your question makes no sense. Read the article, enough with the deliberate obfuscation. The Paris Accords are dumb. Just beyond dumb.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 9:49 am
Septuagenarian wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 9:30 am

Sadly, that does nothing to answer my original question, so I'll make sure it's still out there.
Honestly, your question makes no sense. Read the article, enough with the deliberate obfuscation. The Paris Accords are dumb. Just beyond dumb.
Why? Please use quotes from the actual agreement (that you definitely have not read) and state your reasons.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 9:49 am
Septuagenarian wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 9:30 am

Sadly, that does nothing to answer my original question, so I'll make sure it's still out there.
Honestly, your question makes no sense. Read the article, enough with the deliberate obfuscation. The Paris Accords are dumb. Just beyond dumb.
What on earth could be beyond dumb if using fly ash could turn out be a more environmentally friendly win for making cement than what Cementa Stockholm, which is just a cog in a Worldwide system of subsidiary companies that's also connected with Canada, has been banned from using now?

But I don't know if using fly ash satisfies that parameter, and that's why I keep on asking.

Still, of course I'm a dumb, obfuscating lunatic for persisting on wanting to know.
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Septuagenarian wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 10:32 am

Still, of course I'm a dumb, obfuscating lunatic for wanting to know.
This is just pure obfuscation, but we all get it. When you apply logic, reason and math to the Paris Accords, as demonstrated by that story about the Swedish cement plant, the Paris Accords are just plain dumb. Babble on about "fly ash" all you want, but the reality is, enviro-lunatics are causing, once again, far more harm than good. And no one should be surprised by this. Over the course of this entire fraud, all the world has seen has been trillions wasted, all in the name of a stupid fairy tale.

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Mark5 wrote: Oct 18th, 2021, 9:47 pm Nick Zenter from Central Washington University is a great lecturer. He really explains the geologic and earth science very well. My take away is what the earth has gone through throughout its history. You get a real perspective of time with his lectures. It appears too that volcanic action does play a role in climate change. Such as huge basalt floods that cover enormous areas, covering and killing all below. Interesting stuff,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUnfd5dX9hk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQhjkemEyUo
Very interesting. I've enjoyed the first and look forward to the second.

Thanks for posting.

Edited to add: did a quick check for more recent vids (he threatened to do one specific to "climate change", lol). Were you aware of this? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4szl4 ... 80wJP40UBA
‘Nick From Home’ Livestream #44 - Milankovitch Cycles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cA5A4dZ0gs
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Good interview (sorry if already posted, I'm skipping a lot of pages in this thread)...

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The Green Barbarian wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 10:35 am
Septuagenarian wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 10:32 am

Still, of course I'm a dumb, obfuscating lunatic for wanting to know.
This is just pure obfuscation, but we all get it. When you apply logic, reason and math to the Paris Accords, as demonstrated by that story about the Swedish cement plant, the Paris Accords are just plain dumb. Babble on about "fly ash" all you want, but the reality is, enviro-lunatics are causing, once again, far more harm than good. And no one should be surprised by this. Over the course of this entire fraud, all the world has seen has been trillions wasted, all in the name of a stupid fairy tale.

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The Green Barbarian wrote: Oct 18th, 2021, 5:10 pm Here's a perfect example of why the Paris Accords are just so dumb. Enviro-nuts in Sweden managed to get their main cement plant shut down, due to the apocalyptic fairy tale of man-made climate change. But what these people don't get is, their cement has to come from somewhere. So you'd rather have your cement coming from plants with much worse "emissions"? How freaking dumb are you enviro-lunatics??
How green champion Sweden could end up exporting its carbon sins

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - When a Swedish court ordered the country's biggest cement maker to stop mining limestone by its huge factory on the windswept island of Gotland to prevent pollution, ecologists cheered.

Besides protecting wildlife and water supplies, the ruling could force the plant that makes 75% of Sweden's cement and is the country's second biggest carbon emitter to slash output while it finds raw materials elsewhere, or even shut altogether.

That might be good for Sweden's emissions targets, but not such good news for the rest of the planet.

A government-commissioned report seen by Reuters said it could force Sweden to import cement from countries that pump out more emissions in the overall manufacturing process - or risk massive job losses in the construction industry at home.

"Imports from countries outside the EU would probably lead to larger environmental impacts as a result of lower standards related to CO2 emissions and lower standards in land use," the report, obtained via a freedom of information request, said.

Sweden's dilemma encapsulates one the challenges facing nations meeting in Glasgow for the U.N. COP26 climate talks: how to show they are not cutting emissions by simply exporting the problem elsewhere - a phenomenon known as "carbon leakage".
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... d=msedgntp
Septuagenarian wrote: Oct 18th, 2021, 7:46 pm
Too dumb to understand what this might mean relative to the above.
Cementa’s Stockholm cement terminal to transition to fly ash cement supply
Written by Global Cement Staff

18 October 2021

https://www.globalcement.com/news/item/ ... ent-supply

Sweden: Cementa has announced that its Stockholm cement terminal will no longer receive deliveries of its Slite brand cement and will instead begin solely stocking the company’s fly ash cement from 1 December 2021. The producer says that the transition will reduce the carbon footprint of the terminal’s products by 30,000t/yr. Slite cement will continue to be available from the nearby Köping and Oxelösund cement terminals.
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It just seems to me that there could be a correlation with the article you posted and the Cemeta announcement, as it looks to me like they may have appeared on the same day. Also, Cementa seems to be claiming that using fly ash will reduce their carbon footprint.

As well, in your own words you are asking, 'So you'd rather have your cement coming from plants with much worse "emissions"? How freaking dumb are you enviro-lunatics??'

So what i'm asking is for is confirmation from an expert here that this will be the actually be case.

In other words, if it's true about the fly ash, then 'how freaking dumb can those enviro-lunatics be??'
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Glacier wrote: Oct 19th, 2021, 11:48 am Good interview (sorry if already posted, I'm skipping a lot of pages in this thread)...

Thanks Glacier. I always have an open mind when it comes to Professor Peterson.

Also, I just downloaded, Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All, by Michael Shellenberger from the Edmonton Public e-Library, and I see where the OK Library carries a hard copy.

https://orl.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S111C588845

BTW I love Professor Peterson's 'rant on Climate change as he makes some real good points in his inimitable style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZgf-YecQ
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So right now I'm reading the book and then I'm planning on watching the video.

Is anybody else on that track, or does anybody plan to obtain the book and follow that track? Or will it be just the video and, "good interview," as Glacier says, with no discussion at all?
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So first we have this:
Plans for global fossil fuel production wildly out of step with climate limits

World governments plan to produce fossil fuels at more than double the rate consistent with warming of 1.5°C, new research has found.

The 2021 Production Gap Report, prepared by top climate scientists in concert with the UN Environment Programme (UNEP), calculates the gap between governments’ plans for oil, gas, and coal production and the fossil fuel production that would align with other thresholds—including national climate pledges and warming of 1.5 and 2°C.

“Governments continue to plan for and support levels of fossil fuel production that are vastly in excess of what we can safely burn,” stated Ploy Achakulwisut, a scientist with the Stockholm Environment Institute (SEI) and one of the report’s lead authors.

“The research is clear,” Achakulwisut noted, “global coal, oil, and gas production must start declining immediately and steeply to be consistent with limiting long-term warming to 1.5°C.”
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/weather/topst ... d=msedgntp

I love the language used by these fools: "What we can "safely" burn". Good grief. You don't even have a proven scientific hypothesis about whether any oil and gas production has any effect on our climate, and you are babbling about "what can be safely burned". But hey people, here's why governments are continuing to expand oil and gas exploration and planned production - there are almost 8 billion people on earth now, who need to be fed, housed and clothed. They need to be able to survive swings in temperatures of 40 degrees C each way, so they need air conditioning in summer and heat in winter. Nothing is going to change that.

So dummies, you can babble on about "safely burning" things or you can accept that without oil and gas, billions of people will die.

As I said before, it looks like this winter, people are going to die, thanks to scum like these guys. They are literally going to be killing people, thanks to this nonsensical fake apocalyptic garbage. Enough! Put a cork in it idiots!
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Peter Tertzakian: We are witnessing the perils of a disorderly energy transition
Renewables going up is not translating into oil and gas going down

Climate crisis plus energy crisis does not equal a good path to net-zero emissions. Policy wonks at the upcoming COP26 conference in Glasgow later this month will have a tough time with this calculus.

It’s been a while since the phrase energy crisis has been thrown around. When I hear it, I have déjà vu to the 1970s, the late-2000s and other lesser episodes in between. I reflect on societal hardship, ugly politics and uncertain outcomes.

Today, a panoply of numbers is pointing to a looming energy deficit that may rival big ones of the past. Volatile commodity markets agree: The price of oil, now over US$80 per barrel, has doubled in the past year. Natural gas in some markets has shot up five-fold. Coal, the fuel with more lives than a black cat, is setting record high prices.

The contagion of energy price inflation is happening from Germany to Brazil to China, and it’s on its way to a gas pump, furnace and wall plug near you.

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So, what does the updated data show? The global trends to 2021 are shown in the Figure below.

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The rise of renewables between 2010 and 2020 will be recorded as one of the biggest events in energy history. But it wasn’t the biggest. Whether measured in Joules or dollars, the rise of U.S. shale gas and oil was a bigger transformation. American independent oil companies (IOCs) aggressively took global oil market share, so much so that for the first time in five decades the control of oil markets shifted from the OPEC cartel to greater free-market, global competition.

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The notion of working with Western oil and gas companies to reduce emissions quickly and be part of an orderly transition to a clean energy future is anathema to those working hard on clean energy transformations and climate change policy. But animosities go even deeper. Non-emitting nuclear power is often left out of discussion too (did I mention that the price of uranium is up 45 per cent since the beginning of the year?)

As a side note, the grass isn’t greener on the clean side of the energy fence: Lithium prices for electric vehicle batteries are now at an all-time high and many vital minerals clean energy technologies are in short supply.
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