Reform/Progressive Conservative crack forms

[The Green Barbarian]

Yup, CPC aficionados don't get it.

Don't get what? It's Liberal aficionados that don't get it.

[The Green Barbarian]

You and millions of other Canadians continue to suffer from CPC O'Toole whiplash.

And you and millions of other Canadians continue to suffer from LPC Trudeau whiplash. The CPC is doing just fine, and Erin is doing a fantastic job. Keep up the great work Erin!

[Pappywinkle]

Can anyone say for sure what the broken CPC's position is today re the vaccine requirements to enter the House?

In the last few days, the leader has swapped positions at least four times, and said one thing in English and the opposite in French.

Does the party try to appease the moderates on odd days, and the redneck hillbillies on even days?

I'm getting whiplash.

It's become clear that Erin Flip Flop O'Toole can't even say for sure what the broken CPC's position is...on anything. Flippy O'Toole is proving over and over how terrible a PM he would've been, and his disastrous flip flopping is causing the CPC to crumble and splinter further.

It's blatantly obvious to Canadians who aren't stuck in the dark ages that the CPC is completely imploding, and rightly so! At least when its all over the centrist conservatives, far-right so-con people, and the evil and disgusting far right racists can each form their own parties instead of stinking up the big blue CPC outhouse.

[barianqueen]

Leslyn Lewis (Loopy Leslyn) is dragging the party down into cesspool territory. She's spreading anti-science nonsense and should be fired.

[barianqueen]

Leslyn Lewis says racist slurs from viewers during Tory leadership debate ‘not surprising’

The litany of racial slurs inserted into the comments section of an online Conservative leadership debate Wednesday was not surprising, candidate Leslyn Lewis said the next day.

Lewis, Erin O’Toole and Derek Sloan were debating B.C.-related issues when for nearly a minute, slurs started filling the chat box of the video conference program.

Lewis, who is the first Black candidate to run for the Conservative party leadership, said she saw them and then closed the chat screen so she could focus on the event.

“The racist comments during last night’s debate which were directed at me, Black people and Jewish people were sadly not surprising,” she said in a statement Thursday.

“This past week we saw much more blatant displays of antisemitism in Toronto, and it has not been an irregular occurrence for me to encounter racist individuals during this campaign.”

This Loopy Leslyn chick is just the worst. She needs to go away.

[bob vernon]

The reopening of Parliament can't come soon enough. We want to see how the Conservatives vote on an increase in the price of carbon. Split. And then we need to see the legislation on banning conversion therapy. Some loopy Conservative backbenchers are still in favour of allowing religious nuts to torture kids to drive out demons. The social conservative and moderate wings of the party just don't see the world the same. And then the unvaxxed Conservatives wanting to get into the building should provide more embarrassment for the brand.

[nucksRnum1]

What is happening here is exactly what more Canadians who voted for a party besides Conservatives already knew. It doesn't matter who the face of the Conservative party is - there is a penchant by the Conservative party to bait and switch. All kinds of promises - and then a sharp right when they get in power. At the end of the day, the western branch of the party outvotes the East coast. This is why there was more red back east and more blue out west. And why the conservatives lost yet again.

[The Green Barbarian]

And then we need to see the legislation on banning conversion therapy.

Yes, the Liberals killed that bill with their $600 million lust for power, and lost again at the polls, looking the giant fools while doing so. Let's see this bill brought back, although another two years will have been lost in getting this through the legislative system. Homophobia has a huge price, and the Liberals were the ones that caused this bill. Such utter fools.

Looking forward to Parliament getting going and seeing the Conservatives kick some major butt again. I can't believe that the Liberals kicked Mark Garneau out of cabinet. What a huge and tragic loss. With this cabinet full of total foolish ideologues, the Conservatives are going to feast, and feast big time, on the rivers of nonsense we will be seeing going forward. Just unending stupidity and child-like blabberings from this cabinet. Go Erin!!

[crookedmember]

How sad the one person who could have fixed the cracks in the "conservative" party was hounded out of it.

Rona Ambrose was certainly the smartest member the CPC had. She was well-educated, well-spoken, and tactful. She was respected on the other side.

Unfortunately, conservative men tend to be woefully uneducated and shamelessly redneck, and are frankly scared of strong women, and women who are more successful than themselves. Thus, Ambrose was not really welcome.

Instead of a unified party, the CPC is a corral of feral cats.

Instead of strong and serious women, they have the loopy Michelles, Candices and Leslyns.

[nucksRnum1]

How sad the one person who could have fixed the cracks in the "conservative" party was hounded out of it.

Rona Ambrose was certainly the smartest member the CPC had. She was well-educated, well-spoken, and tactful. She was respected on the other side.

Unfortunately, conservative men tend to be woefully uneducated and shamelessly redneck, and are frankly scared of strong women, and women who are more successful than themselves. Thus, Ambrose was not really welcome.

Instead of a unified party, the CPC is a corral of feral cats.

Instead of strong and serious women, they have the loopy Michelles, Candices and Leslyns.

Great point. Rona respected the other side. So much so - that she worked hand in hand with Liberals in the new framework of the free trade agreement. Nice to see at least 1 conservative put the whole country first and not just a region.

[erinmore3775]

Let's be honest here. If someone like Rosa Ambrose, with her leadership skills, communication skills, and her intelligence had been leader, the CPC would have won the last election and be forming government. However, there is no one of her caliber on the CPC horizon. The cabal within the CPC eats and destroys capable people. As a result we have the waffling leadership of those like Mr O'Toole. It really is time for "GO ERIN GO!" Yet his demise will also mean the demise of the Big Tent CPC.

[erinmore3775]

Brian Mulroney on Mr. O'Toole and the current CPC.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/o-too ... 1.5644326

This article is worth reading. Whether you agreed with Mr. MUlroney or not when he was Prime Minister, he clearly showed leadership and made the Conservatives a party that reflected the desires and values of middle class Canadians. Unfortunately something that the present day leadership and party does not.

[crookedmember]

To be fair to Iffy O'Toole, it's probably too late to save the party, even if he suddenly did grow a spine.

The loopy faction of the party has forever soiled it for 2/3rds of Canadians.

There used to be a large block of voters who could easily swing between the Liberals and PCs at election time, but that block is no longer willing to swing all the way right to Crazytown.

[Catri]

Brian Mulroney on Mr. O'Toole and the current CPC.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/o-too ... 1.5644326

This article is worth reading. Whether you agreed with Mr. MUlroney or not when he was Prime Minister, he clearly showed leadership and made the Conservatives a party that reflected the desires and values of middle class Canadians. Unfortunately something that the present day leadership and party does not.

Absolutely agree with him on leadership. It seems a bit draconian, but party leaders have to really lead. Not to veer too far off topic, but my biggest criticism of the current Prime Minister is that he didn't jettison Wilson-Raybould and her sidekick from caucus quickly and decisively when they mutinied. I thought it showed poor leadership when he let it drag on. I think he's gotten better, but it will always colour my opinion of him as a leader.

Back on topic, I agree the only way any leader is going to herd those conservative cats is to really whip them (in the political sense). At this point I would be surprised to see O'Toole grow a spine when it comes to leadership and would not be surprised to see a more conservative leader bringing the centrists in the party to heel before I see a moderate actually moving the CPC the other way. It's a shame, but the so-cons seem to have quite a hold over the party.

Mulroney's experience was a little different, he led a party that was united in it's centre-right ideology, so much so that he was able to bring part of the sovereigntist faction into the PC tent. That united front helped them be ready to exploit the weakness of their opposition at the end of the other Trudeau era and the global trend toward conservative government (Thatcher, Reagan, etc.). Not saying he wasn't a strong leader, he was, just that it was a different time.

My Sunday morning laugh was this:

Although, as I remember, Brian Mulroney did pretty well in two general elections as a Progressive Conservative, winning the largest victory in Canadian history. And with his second one, he was the first Conservative leader since Sir John A. Macdonald to win back-to-back majorities in 100 years,” he said.

There's something about anyone referring to themselves in the 3rd person that is guaranteed to crack me up!

[nucksRnum1]

I think Rona saw the writing on the wall. And recognized that the crazies out in right field were going to bring the whole party down. Which has happened - much to my delight. Why would someone who can still make a run for leadership at any time in the future - waste time when the party is a mess?