Reform/Progressive Conservative crack forms

[crookedmember]

Thank God the horrid CPC PM who gave these nuts near-lifetime jobs is gone.



A Haiku for He Who Shall Not Be Named

Steve picked lotsa kooks
Like crazy Denise Batters
Mad as a hatters

[featfan]

How scared is the tool of Leslyn Lewis?

[hobbyguy]

Thank God the horrid CPC PM who gave these nuts near-lifetime jobs is gone.



A Haiku for He Who Shall Not Be Named

Steve picked lotsa kooks
Like crazy Denise Batters
Mad as a hatters

Don't think I would characterize Denis Batters that way. The fact that I haven't noticed her as being controversial plays into that. She also has a pretty solid CV. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denise_Batters

I actually happen to agree with Senator Batters that a party leader should represent what the grass roots of the party has voted on, and selected as policy - not make it up on the fly and contradict what the party membership wants.

O'Toole clearly did not follow what the party grassroots selected and voted for as policy positions. Nor did O'Toole follow the precepts he laid out in his own leadership campaign. And that, in a nutshell, has made it inevitable that there would be some very unhappy grassroots segments within the CPC.

I do not agree with many of the positions taken by the CPC grassroots, which is why I am not a member of that party. O'Toole needs to think about the same thing - if the CPC party grassroots wants "x", and he disagrees with "x", then perhaps he ought to choose another party, or do what Max Bernier did.

[nucksRnum1]

So I have a question about the Conservative party. Are they in a rebuild? Or do they think they will win an election with a western grassroots status quo?

[nucksRnum1]

This shows how little conservatives regard democracy. Many conservatives want a redo after a leader was elected fair and square.

[hobbyguy]

nucks - I certainly don't see it that way. If you listen to senator Batters, what she is doing is pushing back against the nonsense of a party leader going against the wishes of the party grassroots. It isn't democratic when a leader of a party ignores the democratic votes of a party.

As an example: I sincerely doubt that the CPC party membership would vote for a carbon tax. Yup, the CPC memebrship voted not to accept that climate change is real. What does O'Toole do? - a carbon tax and climate change GHG reduction plan (sort of).

Nor do I think that the process by which O'Toole was "elected" leader was democratic. It is documented that Leslyn Lewis got substantially more votes than O'Toole, yet was dropped out of the vote tally. It is documented that O'Toole packed and stacked the twisted process by signing up gun advocate "members" in moribund Quebec ridings. It is documented that the CPC made the leadership campaign by setting impossibly high entry requirements. In a purely democratic system any member should be free to run, and the candidate with the most votes ought to win. That is clearly NOT what happened with O'Toole.

It is also fundamentally dishonest for O'Toole to have run as a "true blue" Conservative and then immediately switched to "Trudeau lite". O'Toole flat out deceived the membership, and it is only just that he should be held to account.

IF O'Toole wanted a carbon tax and wanted to go after man made climate change, then the correct thing to do would have been to introduce a resolution at the party convention and have the members vote on it. Clearly those resolutions would NOT have passed, and so O'Toole chose to simply ignore the party membership. THAT is the real source of the issues and the split in the CPC at the moment.

If I were a CPC member, I would be asking myself "what's the point in being a member if the party brass and the "leader" just ignore the democratic votes of the membership??". That, I believe, is what Senator Batters is addressing.

After all, if O'Toole had run for the leadership as "Trudeau-lite", I doubt very much that he would have even beat Derek Sloan in the first round of vote count. "Trudeau-lite" is NOT what the CPC membership wants, and not what they voted for!

[crookedmember]

It looks like the whole conservative movement in Canada is cracking up.

In Manitoba, Lurch bolted for Costa Rica and the PC leadership race is in court, with a crazy lady claiming she won when she really lost.

In Alberta 22 constituency associations want Jason Kenney gone NOW, and Jason responds by really packing on the pounds and blaming the Feds for his ill-fitting trousers.

The Harpercon wing is plotting to forcibly exile o'toole after he lost an election to the same guy Harper lost an election to, and they still have a hopper full of choices even more unattractive than erin.

Moe and Higgs are imploding after both are caught governing like Moe drives (drunk).

What a time to be alive.

[Pappywinkle]

Crack forming has been part of conservative parties ever since Rob Ford.

At least he admitted to it...

[hobbyguy]

It looks like the whole conservative movement in Canada is cracking up.

In Manitoba, Lurch bolted for Costa Rica and the PC leadership race is in court, with a crazy lady claiming she won when she really lost.

In Alberta 22 constituency associations want Jason Kenney gone NOW, and Jason responds by really packing on the pounds and blaming the Feds for his ill-fitting trousers.

The Harpercon wing is plotting to forcibly exile o'toole after he lost an election to the same guy Harper lost an election to, and they still have a hopper full of choices even more unattractive than erin.

Moe and Higgs are imploding after both are caught governing like Moe drives (drunk).

What a time to be alive.

They are running out of Harpercon choices. Ed Fast hasn't run yet. I think he is the last of that bunch -except of course Pierre P. Michael Chong won't run.

If they do run another leadership campaign, odds on favorite has to be Leslyn Lewis. Or maybe they can get Glover to run

[bob vernon]

Lewis?!? She's another easterner. Senator Batters is speaking on behalf of the western Conservatives and they've already had an eastern leader in O'Toole.

[hobbyguy]

And now O'Toole thinks he is Noriega: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conser ... -1.6251532

"O'Toole kicks senator who questioned his leadership out of the Conservative caucus"

How undemocratic of the phony so and so O'Toole. Does the party belong to the members, or are they just suckers to be milked and played by the con man O'Toole???

[nucksRnum1]

Conservatives couldn't win on their reform platform. So they made sure a smiley smarmy leader was put out there. The problem is that Canadians knew conservatives lie through their teeth. Despite a leader who was platforming on flip flops and ball face lies. The infighting is an example of how conservatives would have said one thing in an election and members would have made sure that the party did another after they were in power.

[crookedmember]

Welp, Crazy Denise Batters has been given erin's boot. Is this how it's going to be now? Those who don't agree get dumped? All of them?

I hope o'toole doesn't start thinking he's Putin, and dissident MPs start falling out of windows.

[Catri]

Looks like the cracks are turning into chasms. O’toole is doing the right thing, imo, at least he’s showing leadership. It’s kind of ironic that his supporters seem set to use the Reform Act, that’s supposed to put more power in the hands of MPs and less in the hands of the leader, to strengthen the leader’s grip on the party and quell malcontents.

[hobbyguy]

Looks like the cracks are turning into chasms. O’toole is doing the right thing, imo, at least he’s showing leadership. It’s kind of ironic that his supporters seem set to use the Reform Act, that’s supposed to put more power in the hands of MPs and less in the hands of the leader, to strengthen the leader’s grip on the party and quell malcontents.

A good leader would simply take such things in stride, and work to resolve the issues, bring people together.

Shrimpy O'Toole can't do that. He is not a "big" man, he is a dumpy little shrimp trying to show he is somehow a tough guy. That's why I referenced Noriega.

Unable to build consensus, O'Toole is trying to play thug, and he looks ridiculous. That after he proved he was unable to build consensus for what he what he wanted as a platform with the membership at the convention.

Senator Batters strikes me as someone who will persist, and there isn't diddly doo that O'Toole can do about it. It has zero impact on her whether she is part of caucus or not, it won't cost her the job as it did Sloan.

This episode illustrates exactly why O'Toole is not leadership material. O'Toole doesn't understand the difference between a leader and a boss. O'Toole seems to think he is a mafia boss. Good luck with that!