More Liberal tyranny

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These people are trying to play the victim card when the stupidity card better describes their behaviour.
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bob vernon wrote: Oct 22nd, 2021, 10:34 am These people are trying to play the victim card when the stupidity card better describes their behaviour.
When it comes to Liberals who won't get vaccinated, you are 100% correct.
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There is a fundamental undermining of our society that gets fed with the current CPC espousing the deliberate stupidity of "me-ism".

A quote from a dissertation on conservatism I am reading highlights the conflict between conservatism and what many "Conservative" politicians have degraded themselves into these days.


" …the value of individual liberty is not absolute, but stands subject to…the authority of established government…the conservative will seek to uphold all those practices and institutions through which habits of allegiance are acquired. (Scruton 1980: 19, 30)

Obedience, for Scruton, is the principal virtue of political subjects, without which societies atomise and crumble; real freedom is not in conflict with obedience, but is its other side (Scruton, 1980)."


And from an article discussing "educated idiots" in another context:

"...I fear the nub of the problem is the erosion of the notion of the social contract. While that may sound like a concept for ivory tower philosophers, it’s not. What I’m talking about is the simple acknowledgment that we’re all in this life together and that by doing what we can to ensure the collective good, everyone is much better off.

In young people, selfish behaviour – immaturity really – that ignores this fundamental truth leads to the kind of trauma that scarred Queen’s and Kingston last weekend. In older folks, this “me-first” attitude gives rise to the anti-vaccine mentality, climate-change denial, the increased polarization of politics and the erosion of civil social discourse."


Certainly in that context, the actions of the CPC are fundamentally in conflict with the best interests of Canada. O'Toole's waffling on the issues only serves to make it worse.

The hyperbolic use of the word "tyranny" has flowed out of Trumpism and the Q-Anon crowd - from which flows no long term good. When a government body (in this case a Liberal government) does the correct thing, and chooses the best course of action, it always involves some "price" for someone. I pay my taxes - and do so willingly because that is a reasonable price to pay for civil society that supports an enviable lifestyle and freedoms for the vast majority of Canadians. That "price" is not tyranny - "nothin' ain't worth nothin' if its free".

Do I like wearing a mask? a seat belt? paying extra for airbags? carbon taxes? picking up after my dog? Nope. But I do all of those things without making a fuss, because they are important to society and work toward protecting the rights and enjoyment of of a just and free society for all. In that, I must agree with the "conservative" thinking of Scruton - which essentially goes to the notion of civic duty. With rights come duties.

When political leaders pander to the erosion of civic duty, they do the country and our society a disservice. Getting vaccinated is an important civic duty as part of our social contract. "Educated idiots" like Mark Strahl ought to know better - and it is sad that such a person keeps getting re-elected. I can not imagine past Conservative prime ministers like John Diefenbaker, Joe Clark and the like expressing the nonsense that the likes of Mark Strahl are expressing.

And yes, there is a "conservative" streak in me as I agree with Scruton. That should make me an "accessible voter" for the "Conservative" party - but it doesn't because the CPC clearly has "lost the plot" and betrays the very principles that conservatives such as Scruton express. I will not vote for "educated idiots" like the CPC gang.

The "Liberal tyranny" nonsense is simply an expression of that "educated idiot" me first immaturity of thought and deed. The CPC clown car is dead wrong in opposing vaccine mandates, and dead wrong for not leading on the issue by having all CPC MPs be fully vaccinated.
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hobbyguy wrote: Oct 22nd, 2021, 11:01 am There is a fundamental undermining of our society that gets fed with the current CPC espousing the deliberate stupidity of "me-ism".
And yet all we are seeing is our society being undermined by the current Liberal party espousing the deliberate stupidity of "me-ism", as led by example by their current arrogant narcisstic leader. How anyone can criticize any other party after that whole brainless Tofino trip and say that other parties suffer from "me-ism" is baffling. Talk about a total lack of realizing reality!

The CPC are doing just fine. They don't espouse "me-ism", and anyone saying this is just engaging in blatant demagoguery, and should be ignored.
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hobbyguy wrote: Oct 22nd, 2021, 11:01 am There is a fundamental undermining of our society that gets fed with the current CPC espousing the deliberate stupidity of "me-ism".
You nailed it, hobbyguy. The CPC's "me-isms" regarding vaccine mandates are incredibly stupid, as led by their ever flip-flopping failure of a leader. The CPC are in absolute shambles, made worse every time dumb dumb Elmer opens his mouth whining about policies, like vaccine mandates, that every other major party agrees on.
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