No EI for the unvaccinated

[crookedmember]

People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

“They absolutely do reduce transmission,” says Christopher Byron Brooke at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. “Vaccinated people do transmit the virus in some cases, but the data are super crystal-clear that the risk of transmission for a vaccinated individual is much, much lower than for an unvaccinated individual.”

A recent study found that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant are 63 per cent less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated.

This is only slightly lower than with the alpha variant, says Brechje de Gier at the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment in the Netherlands, who led the study. Her team had previously found that vaccinated people infected with alpha were 73 per cent less likely to infect unvaccinated people.

What is important to realise, de Gier says, is that the full effect of vaccines on reducing transmission is even higher than 63 per cent, because most vaccinated people don’t become infected in the first place.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... accinated/

[crookedmember]

So, we know from Pfizer and Moderna that their COVID vaccines are 80% effective.

That leaves on average 20% of any vaccinated workforce still able to contract the virus.

The unvaccinated are much more likely to transmit the virus.

So according to straw-grasping right logic, we're "persecuting" people too lazy/stupid to get vaccinated, because we're not willing to sacrifice the 20% for the lazy/stupid 5%?

Someone's gotta explain this to me like I'm 6.

[AtlantisKelowna]

It is quite amazing to see how many of you accept "less likely" as if it means "not at all possible". Less likely means a lower probability. Even though they claim the vaccinated are less likely to transmit, carry or fall ill there is still a possibility.

Currently, I have a situation regarding a fully vaxxed employee who had the sniffles and decided to attend training with 6 other employees all of them being fully vaxxed. The employees symptoms increased over a few days and on the last day of training decided to call a doctor and was advised to get a test. Sure enough, it was a positive covid case. Because of this false sense of security, we now have 7 people off and 4 of them have been tested positive.

The worst part is on the last day of the workweek one of those people was working in my location and resulted in closing the business for a few days while waiting for results. My team is split down the middle with vaxxed and unvaxxed. We all went for tests and 2 more of my vaxxed team have positive results. Everyone else received negative results so please explain why the unvaxxed staff got lucky while the vaxxed didnt? We all work in close quarters and try to maintain distance when allowed, wear masks, and continually sanitize throughout the day.

Now IH is telling the unvaxxed employees to stay home for 10 days while the vaxxed employees are allowed to resume working. All the unvaxxed tested negative as did the few vaxxed who are allowed to resume working. Can anyone explain the stupidity?

[the truth]

It is quite amazing to see how many of you accept "less likely" as if it means "not at all possible". Less likely means a lower probability. Even though they claim the vaccinated are less likely to transmit, carry or fall ill there is still a possibility.

Currently, I have a situation regarding a fully vaxxed employee who had the sniffles and decided to attend training with 6 other employees all of them being fully vaxxed. The employees symptoms increased over a few days and on the last day of training decided to call a doctor and was advised to get a test. Sure enough, it was a positive covid case. Because of this false sense of security, we now have 7 people off and 4 of them have been tested positive.

The worst part is on the last day of the workweek one of those people was working in my location and resulted in closing the business for a few days while waiting for results. My team is split down the middle with vaxxed and unvaxxed. We all went for tests and 2 more of my vaxxed team have positive results. Everyone else received negative results so please explain why the unvaxxed staff got lucky while the vaxxed didnt? We all work in close quarters and try to maintain distance when allowed, wear masks, and continually sanitize throughout the day.

Now IH is telling the unvaxxed employees to stay home for 10 days while the vaxxed employees are allowed to resume working. All the unvaxxed tested negative as did the few vaxxed who are allowed to resume working. Can anyone explain the stupidity?

just another example that the vaccine is a scam

[foenix]

No. The information is readily available, go look for yourself.

It's not. If it was, someone would have shared it.

We see plenty of proof that an unvaccinated employees are putting themselves at significantly greater risk.

So far, no proof that an unvaccinated employee presents a significantly greater risk to their co-workers than a vaccinated employee with covid - particularly given the likelihood of their symptoms being mild enough for them to ignore.

Simple search.....if the "want to" is there that is......

People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant.

British scientists at the University of Oxford examined national records of nearly 150,000 contacts that were traced from roughly 100,000 initial cases. The samples included people who were fully or partially vaccinated with either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca vaccines, as well as people who were unvaccinated. The researchers then looked at how the vaccines affected the spread of the virus if a person had a breakthrough infection with either the alpha variant or the highly contagious delta variant........

The study was posted online Thursday and hasn’t yet been peer reviewed. But scientists not associated with the research said the findings were credible.

“It’s the highest quality study we have so far on the question of infectiousness of vaccinated people infected with delta,” said Dr. Aaron Richterman, an infectious disease physician at the University of Pennsylvania, who was not involved in the research.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... s-n1280583

[foenix]

It is quite amazing to see how many of you accept "less likely" as if it means "not at all possible". Less likely means a lower probability. Even though they claim the vaccinated are less likely to transmit, carry or fall ill there is still a possibility.

Less likely is preferred than likely, no? It's amazing people can't see that.

[crookedmember]

It is quite amazing to see how many of you accept "less likely" as if it means "not at all possible". Less likely means a lower probability. Even though they claim the vaccinated are less likely to transmit, carry or fall ill there is still a possibility.

Currently, I have a situation regarding a fully vaxxed employee who had the sniffles and decided to attend training with 6 other employees all of them being fully vaxxed. The employees symptoms increased over a few days and on the last day of training decided to call a doctor and was advised to get a test. Sure enough, it was a positive covid case. Because of this false sense of security, we now have 7 people off and 4 of them have been tested positive.

The worst part is on the last day of the workweek one of those people was working in my location and resulted in closing the business for a few days while waiting for results. My team is split down the middle with vaxxed and unvaxxed. We all went for tests and 2 more of my vaxxed team have positive results. Everyone else received negative results so please explain why the unvaxxed staff got lucky while the vaxxed didnt? We all work in close quarters and try to maintain distance when allowed, wear masks, and continually sanitize throughout the day.

Now IH is telling the unvaxxed employees to stay home for 10 days while the vaxxed employees are allowed to resume working. All the unvaxxed tested negative as did the few vaxxed who are allowed to resume working. Can anyone explain the stupidity?

This is a personal anecdote and we have no idea as too its veracity. So no, we can't explain it.

It would be helpful if the other side would post solid data, rather than personal stories.

[rustled]

It is quite amazing to see how many of you accept "less likely" as if it means "not at all possible". Less likely means a lower probability. Even though they claim the vaccinated are less likely to transmit, carry or fall ill there is still a possibility.

Currently, I have a situation regarding a fully vaxxed employee who had the sniffles and decided to attend training with 6 other employees all of them being fully vaxxed. The employees symptoms increased over a few days and on the last day of training decided to call a doctor and was advised to get a test. Sure enough, it was a positive covid case. Because of this false sense of security, we now have 7 people off and 4 of them have been tested positive.

The worst part is on the last day of the workweek one of those people was working in my location and resulted in closing the business for a few days while waiting for results. My team is split down the middle with vaxxed and unvaxxed. We all went for tests and 2 more of my vaxxed team have positive results. Everyone else received negative results so please explain why the unvaxxed staff got lucky while the vaxxed didnt? We all work in close quarters and try to maintain distance when allowed, wear masks, and continually sanitize throughout the day.

Now IH is telling the unvaxxed employees to stay home for 10 days while the vaxxed employees are allowed to resume working. All the unvaxxed tested negative as did the few vaxxed who are allowed to resume working. Can anyone explain the stupidity?

This is the problem, isn't it?

"Banish the witch" isn't working. While this is no surprise to those of us who've seen this as an exercise in scapegoating, IMO it will likely take a while for those caught up in justifying the scapegoating to understand their part in it.

[liisgo]

So, we know from Pfizer and Moderna that their COVID vaccines are 80% effective.

That leaves on average 20% of any vaccinated workforce still able to contract the virus.

The unvaccinated are much more likely to transmit the virus.

So according to straw-grasping right logic, we're "persecuting" people too lazy/stupid to get vaccinated, because we're not willing to sacrifice the 20% for the lazy/stupid 5%?

Someone's gotta explain this to me like I'm 6.

So before the vaccine's, by even a higher percentage than your busy with, a select group were plugging up our hospitals and dying in numbers of as much as 90%. The same will occur next virus as you wait to start pretending your serious. So because a few want and need to ignore the start of this whole pandemic and jump into it now, lets see your 20%. Of those more than 90% have put themselves into a vulnerable state of health and are making work space dangerous for others.
Are those people lazy/stupid?
We will awesome you are saying this because you wont just be into this with out understanding it all from how it worked from the start.
For the first year of this the government put us in a dangerous environment. Our employers did nothing to protect us from the heavy load carriers. No mandate's for protection. Nothing but a mask for covid Karen.
We should get serious, but we cant, to many people will be offended and are not ready to contribute to our safety.
Again, your saying that all the ones that caused the pandemic to escalate to its position before the vaccine's, the start of the next pandemic, and now of your 20% are Lazy/ and stupid.
Wow, thats a tough stance for sure.
I wont us to come out of this with an effort at all levels to push, support, program and mandate for a healthier position in time for the next one. Not a lazy and stupid wait for it.
Time for a pizza and a movie, I'm vax.

[crookedmember]

Less likely is preferred than likely, no? It's amazing people can't see that.

Yes, a person with an 80% effective vaccine is in a lot better place than a 100% able to contract COVID unvaccinated person.

[foenix]

"Banish the witch" isn't working. While this is no surprise to those of us who've seen this as an exercise in scapegoating, IMO it will likely take a while for those caught up in justifying the scapegoating to understand their part in it.

Why is it scapegoating, again?............. if one has a PERSONAL CHOICE to vaccinate or not?

[crookedmember]

It's interesting that our right friends keep asking for "proof," which we supply.

But they are unable to provide anything more substantial than personal anecdotes to make their shaky points.

Thank God governments make decisions based on scientific data, rather than stories related by their sisters-in-law.

[foenix]

It's interesting that our right friends keep asking for "proof," which we supply.

But they are unable to provide anything more substantial than personal anecdotes to make their shaky points.

Thank God governments make decisions based on scientific data, rather than stories related by their sisters-in-law.

I know hey? Must have something to do with reading comprehension.....

People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant.

[AtlantisKelowna]

It is quite amazing to see how many of you accept "less likely" as if it means "not at all possible". Less likely means a lower probability. Even though they claim the vaccinated are less likely to transmit, carry or fall ill there is still a possibility.

Less likely is preferred than likely, no? It's amazing people can't see that.

Either way you look at it, the chance is still there. Its amazing people cant see that

[rustled]

Less likely is preferred than likely, no? It's amazing people can't see that.

Either way you look at it, the chance is still there. Its amazing people cant see that

And if we are to believe what we're told about the likelihood the vaccine will reduce how sick someone gets with covid (which certainly seems to be the case), we can easily see that chance is higher that a vaccinated employee will come to work while infected with covid - whereas an unvaccinated one will be more likely not to.

As some of the literature shows, those who haven't yet had their booster are a greater risk than those who have had their boosters.

No one has yet shown us evidence that banishing the unvaccinated and denying them their EI is adequately supported by science.

There's still much we don't know. While it is always interesting to see mob mentality overrule common decency, the consequences are often quite significant. What's happening now says much about the society we still live in - "banish the witch" is still a thing.