Canadian journalists are increasingly under attack online

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Thanks for that, it does look interesting. I was just snooping through a list of trustworthy TV newscasters and she was on that list.

https://www.ranker.com/list/most-trustw ... wcoleweiss

It's not impossible to get relevant journalism, it just takes more work today than it did in the days of Walter Cronkite where you could come away from a viewing of the six o'clock news with comprehensive and credible information. You can't get there today without multiple sources and some solid background knowledge.
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the truth wrote: Nov 13th, 2021, 8:47 pm price some of them will have to pay knowing full well they are spreading lies, guess they are willing to take that chance, how many lives do there lies ruin, karma
That is complete nonsense that supports the anarchist and far right intentions to create a permission structure for violence and bullying.

We can not and should not accept such a permission structure. I will never giver anyone a permission structure that promotes and permits violent and bullying behavior.

You are free to believe whatever you choose, you are NOT free to impose it upon others. Nor are you free to permit others to do so. It is the responsibility of every citizen to NOT be violent and bullying to NOT allow others to do so. When you create a permission structure that either promotes or accepts violence and bullying, that is exactly what far right goons and anarchists want. It is entirely unacceptable.
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 14th, 2021, 10:29 am
the truth wrote: Nov 13th, 2021, 8:47 pm price some of them will have to pay knowing full well they are spreading lies, guess they are willing to take that chance, how many lives do there lies ruin, karma
That is complete nonsense that supports the anarchist and far right intentions to create a permission structure for violence and bullying.

We can not and should not accept such a permission structure. I will never giver anyone a permission structure that promotes and permits violent and bullying behavior.

You are free to believe whatever you choose, you are NOT free to impose it upon others. Nor are you free to permit others to do so. It is the responsibility of every citizen to NOT be violent and bullying to NOT allow others to do so. When you create a permission structure that either promotes or accepts violence and bullying, that is exactly what far right goons and anarchists want. It is entirely unacceptable.
You seem to be targeting the far right, but don't forget about the left, the BLM movement.
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bb49 wrote: Nov 14th, 2021, 11:28 am
hobbyguy wrote: Nov 14th, 2021, 10:29 am

That is complete nonsense that supports the anarchist and far right intentions to create a permission structure for violence and bullying.

We can not and should not accept such a permission structure. I will never giver anyone a permission structure that promotes and permits violent and bullying behavior.

You are free to believe whatever you choose, you are NOT free to impose it upon others. Nor are you free to permit others to do so. It is the responsibility of every citizen to NOT be violent and bullying to NOT allow others to do so. When you create a permission structure that either promotes or accepts violence and bullying, that is exactly what far right goons and anarchists want. It is entirely unacceptable.
You seem to be targeting the far right, but don't forget about the left, the BLM movement.
You will notice that I mention both anarchists and the far right. Both use intimidation, threats, and violence to try to impose their beliefs on others. They prey on anger and hatred to radicalize people, and people do not think straight when they angry or filled with hate.

We simply can not allow a permission structure for those who peddle anger, hate and violence to grow in our society - it is a "cancer" that can quickly metastasize into the very ugly.

A cautionary tale: https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-59171107
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d0nb wrote: Nov 12th, 2021, 4:39 pm
Many if not most Canadians are subjected to hurtful criticism, threats, and generally vile behavior in school and on the job.
Yikes! I don't think that's true. Is it possible you're projecting your own experience onto "many, if not most, Canadians"? Our school systems work very hard to make sure that "hurtful criticism, threats, and generally vile" behaviour are not tolerated. I don't think, in this day and age, that most Canadians accept that kind of thing in the workplace either.
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The head of the BBC just told the alphabet workers that they will hear bad words and to basically grow the f up or guit.
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Journalism has completely gone nuts. Almost every major story is fake news and it seems to be getting worse. This article doesn't even cover the fine people hoax or the bleach drinking hoax.

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/w ... llapse-650
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Glacier wrote: Nov 17th, 2021, 9:25 am Journalism as completely gone nuts. Almost every major story is fake news and it seems to be getting worse. This article doesn't even cover the fine people hoax or the bleach drinking hoax.

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/w ... llapse-650
Brilliant article. When I see people here arguing all the failed and proven fake talking points (still, no one gave them the memo that they bought into total lies and just keep going with the lie anyway) I just shake my head at how gullible people are. Last week there were still people arguing that Critical Race Theory doesn't exist in US schools (and Canadian for that matter). Even though that's totally been debunked. Because Rachel Madcow and Don Lemonhead told them so. Just unbelievable. The MSM is just totally screwed.
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This isn't a thread about fake news. There's several other threads you can post on that topic. The topic of this thread is the increasing levels of bullying, threatening and online harassments journalists are experiencing.

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... eDg#351106
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Glacier wrote: Nov 17th, 2021, 9:25 am Journalism has completely gone nuts. Almost every major story is fake news and it seems to be getting worse. This article doesn't even cover the fine people hoax or the bleach drinking hoax.

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/w ... llapse-650
:up: :up: Calling out bad journalism is now being termed "bullying" to protect bad journalism.
We need facts and objectivity more than ever. Trump showed that. What we got in the MSM was an over-reaction, a reflexive overreach to make the news fit the broader political fight. This is humanly understandable. It is professionally unacceptable. And someone has got to stop it.
It's unlikely anyone will stop it, though: it sells, and the gullible and malleable among us seem to vastly prefer it this way.
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rustled wrote: Nov 17th, 2021, 11:04 am
We need facts and objectivity more than ever. Trump showed that. What we got in the MSM was an over-reaction, a reflexive overreach to make the news fit the broader political fight. This is humanly understandable. It is professionally unacceptable. And someone has got to stop it.
It's unlikely anyone will stop it, though: it sells, and the gullible and malleable among us seem to vastly prefer it this way.
I agree, the gullible and the malleable seems to sway with Faux News and Trump. That's why the present GOP and the Right are in the gutter and not recognizable from the Conservatives of the past. It's SAD and it's only gotten worse with Trump.
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rustled wrote: Nov 17th, 2021, 11:04 am
Glacier wrote: Nov 17th, 2021, 9:25 am Journalism has completely gone nuts. Almost every major story is fake news and it seems to be getting worse. This article doesn't even cover the fine people hoax or the bleach drinking hoax.

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/w ... llapse-650
:up: :up: Calling out bad journalism is now being termed "bullying" to protect bad journalism.
We need facts and objectivity more than ever. Trump showed that. What we got in the MSM was an over-reaction, a reflexive overreach to make the news fit the broader political fight. This is humanly understandable. It is professionally unacceptable. And someone has got to stop it.
It's unlikely anyone will stop it, though: it sells, and the gullible and malleable among us seem to vastly prefer it this way.
One can take issue with a journalist's take on something without resorting to threats, bullying, and nonsense. That is the issue. Journalist's are not immune from making errors any more than you or I.

Any rational person knows that much of reporting is impressions. The facts are often few and thin on the ground. A rational person reads the reporting and seeks out the few facts and sorts it for themselves.

It is also important to recognize that many reports are what "other people say". So if Denise Batters is making news by saying "blah,blah,blah" with her bias, that does NOT mean that the reporter who reports it holds the same bias, nor the organization that said reporter works for.

Regardless, disagreeing with the reporter or journalist ought not climb down into the gutters and sewers as many extremists do. Yes, the preponderance of reporting will NOT agree with extremists. So what? Yes, rational analysis will not often agree with extremists. So what?

We simply can NOT have a permission structure to attack, threaten and bully people whether they are journalists, politicians, or ordinary folk making a comment. That is the heart of the matter - discuss the issue and the facts - don't turn into an excuse for bullying, threats and nonsense. Falling into that bullying/threat/nonsense/intimidation trap plays right into the hands of extremists and threatens our democracy.
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