Companion Poll: Canada Emergencies Act Implementation

[Pappywinkle]

The independent courts ruled that the blockades at Coutts, Windsor and Ottawa were illegal. That is not in question. What is in question was how the illegal blockades were handled. In all cases, police forces and border and national park security forces were not prepared to handled the protests. Nothing like these events had occurred before in Canada. No one was prepared for the protests to turn into blockades. The blockades collapsed between February 13 and 15 the period of time around the enactment of the Emergency Measures Act. Previously, Rick McIver, Alberta Municipal Affairs Minister and Ontario Premier Doug Ford had formally asked the federal government for assistance in ending the blockades.

No matter what your position on the invoking of the EMA, I would urge you to read this lengthy article that outlines the lack of co-ordination and the turf wars that existed between officials and security forces before, during and after the Ottawa blockade.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/c ... -1.6453113

It is obvious that communications between the National Capital Commission, the group responsible for the capital parks and the Parliament buildings, the Ottawa police and municipal services, as well as the OPP and the RCMP fell apart. Similarly, communications with municipal and federal officials were in tatters. Communications with the blockade members were minimal since the leadership of those occupying the city centre and their supporters were divided. All of these lead to a situation that was totally different from the Rolling Thunder protest.

The freedoms guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms allowed the initial protests at the border crossings, the capital, and Rolling Thunder to occur. The Charter also complicated the process of removing the subsequent illegal blockades. The questions that should be asked are why were our security forces so poorly prepared and why was it necessary for a federal piece of legislation to be enacted to solve the problem? What should be celebrated out of all of this is that there were protests, there were blockades/occupations, there were economic and social disruptions, but not a shot was fired, no one was killed, no public facility was trashed, everything ended peacefully. This is in sharp contrast to protests that have occurred in the democratic country to our south. The impositions on our rights and freedoms were minimal and time limited and under review as required by statue. The subsequent Rolling Thunder protest demonstrated that large protests can occur with proper and open communication between protesters and security services. It also reaffirmed the right to peaceful and respectful protest.

This is a great article which accurately highlights some of the many issues which justified the use of the EA.

[foenix]

A few days of protest/street party is one thing, a week is an overstay of their welcome. The "protesters" could have packed up their BBQs and hot tubs and gone home after a week or so and there would have been absolutely little commotion about the affair.

too bad we have such spineless leadership in Canada. If you go and hide in a bunker and lie about having COVID rather than deal with those great unwashed who you are being paid to lead, then expect the bad people in the bouncy castles to be pretty cheesed that you are acting like such a massive coward.

Who was in the bunker again when JT implemented the EA to showcase his leadership in quashing the illegal occupation of Ottawa? The right wing rabbit hole must be very deep indeed if one missed the prime example of leadership in dealing with the far right inspired illegal occupation of Ottawa and the border by using the EA.

[Catsumi]

The implementation of the EA for no good reason as the country was NOT under attack is being investigated right now. The slippery gov’t is trying desperately to place blame on an RCMP request for EA which has turned out to be a bald-faced lie.

Although JT and his Niberals are trying to squirm out of and justify its use, most of us now realize it was nothing but another example of gov’t over-reach.

Thanks to the Senate [who should have zipped their lips about their intentions to declare it totally unjustified and over-reaching authority] we still have some semblance of a free country.

Some here just don’t realize how close to the edge we were with the EA and to total dictatorship where everyone’s rights would mean nothing.

[foenix]

It's too bad the illegal occupation of Ottawa got out of hand by the protestors and the organizer costing the city of Ottawa 32 million in policing costs and untold millions in lost trade opportunities that will never be re-cooped. JT showed true leadership in impementing the EA and shutting down the illegal occupation in matter of days. He also kept to his word to do away with the EA when it was no,longer needed. I'm sure even the useless and tax payer provided trough swillers, the Senate will eventually see that JT was correct in bring the hammer down on the far right inspired illegal Ottawa occupiers by implementing the EA.

[Catsumi]

A “true leader” would have met with protestors, listened, shared a beer, chatted with and shown some sympathy (even tears, as he can readily expel them on command) with them.

Instead, he chose to hunker down in cottage like the “true coward” that he is and always will be.

[foenix]

A “true leader” would have met with protestors, listened, shared a beer, chatted with and shown some sympathy (even tears, as he can readily expel them on command) with them.

Instead, he chose to hunker down in cottage like the “true coward” that he is and always will be.

It was organized by the far right fringe group trying to dictate national policy through a minority of the truckers. Why would JT meet with them when the majority of the truckers were with JT and the mandate? Plus the fact the mandate across the border became moot because the US passed their own mandate..........so what was the minority of the truckers protesting about anyway? .......which in turned into an illegal occupayion. Now why would JT give voice to a lawless bunch of thugs?

[Drip_Torch]

A “true leader” would have met with protestors, listened, shared a beer, chatted with and shown some sympathy (even tears, as he can readily expel them on command) with them.

Instead, he chose to hunker down in cottage like the “true coward” that he is and always will be.

A true leader would have used his time to offer up some education resources to the protestors, on how the Gov't of Canada works and how to find their local MP.

Unfortunately, there was a leadership void in the party most closely affiliated with those folks and there was no leadership. If the leader of the conservative party wanted to chat, listen and share a beer - whatever. It's not like I've known any of them to spend their time doing anything useful in the last 8 years.

Imagine thinking the Prime Minister of Canada should just drop everything and meet with whoever shows up with a dance party and a bunch of airhorns. *smh*

[Catsumi]

A “true leader” would have met with protestors, listened, shared a beer, chatted with and shown some sympathy (even tears, as he can readily expel them on command) with them.

Instead, he chose to hunker down in cottage like the “true coward” that he is and always will be.

It was organized by the far right fringe group trying to dictate national policy through a minority of the truckers. Why would JT meet with them when the majority of the truckers were with JT and the mandate? Plus the fact the mandate across the border became moot because the US passed their own mandate..........so what was the minority of the truckers protesting about anyway? .......which in turned into an illegal occupayion. Now why would JT give voice to a lawless bunch of thugs?

Do you read what you post??? Yes, why would JT meet with protestors when he can hide instead! ? Look up definition of ‘cowardice’


You’d twist anything that is negative towards this slimy gov’t into a pro-Niberal statement.
You will not ever admit that the Trucker Protest was the largest and biggest protest Canada has ever seen. In fact, you did all you could to make it seem unworthy of public attention.

This gov’t showed its true intention by first avoiding and then calling up the EA to make up for its COWARDICE.
Now the EA implementation is under investigation, as it should be as it was written into the law, an investigation MUST follow.

Don’t you remember saying here that it was just a few truckers involved? Bet you and Nibs were filling your shorts when you realized how many were willing to put their own personal lives and income on hold to show displeasure with this rotten gov’t.

Eta: what in hell did JT ever have to drop in favour of meeting with protestors? Was it a trip to go surfing, getting his nails done, or delaying new sox preview? C’mon guys…you know full well he is a nitwit without equal.

[VaxisSafe]

I'm legit baffled by people still asking why JT wouldn't meet with the protesters.

There's a video online -publicly accessible and easy to find- where one of the organizers threatens to kill JT and ominously states the protest will end in bullets.

I mean, it's common sense to not meet with people who want to murder you, but hey, what do I know?

[foenix]

You’d twist anything that is negative towards this slimy gov’t into a pro-Niberal statement.
You will not ever admit that the Trucker Protest was the largest and biggest protest Canada has ever seen. In fact, you did all you could to make it seem unworthy of public attention.

It was a nothing protest organized by the far right for their agenda who didn't even have the support of the majority of the truckers in the first place. The protesters had no cohesive message....it was a scatter shot of different grievances. What was their message exactly? What did they accomplish exactly? The right and some of the CPCers might have gave encouragement to them but this is what the majority of Canadians thought of them......

The Canadian trucker convoy is an unpopular uprising

The “freedom convoy” that has besieged Ottawa isn’t a people’s revolt. It’s a fringe movement protesting its defeat.

Since January 28, Canada’s capital city of Ottawa has been under siege by a convoy of angry truckers — a two-week running protest that has drawn support from right-wing extremists in Canada and abroad.

The so-called “freedom convoy” is nominally protesting a vaccine mandate for truckers, implemented in mid-January on both sides of the US-Canada border. But the demonstrations have swiftly ballooned into a broader far-right movement, with some demonstrators waving Confederate and Nazi flags. Protester demands include an end to all Covid-19 restrictions in Canada and the resignation of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

The demonstrators, which have included as many as 8,000 people at their peak, have terrorized Ottawa: blockading streets, harassing citizens, forcing business closures, and honking their extremely loud horns all night. Ottawa police, who have proven some combination of unwilling and unable to restore order, have even set up a special hotline to deal with a deluge of alleged hate crimes stemming from the protests. In the first week of February, it received over 200 calls..........

Canada’s provinces have generally employed strict Covid-19 measures such as school mask mandates and vaccine passports, including during the recent omicron surge. They have enjoyed broad public support in doing so; even the strictest restrictions are less controversial in Canada than in the US. The current demonstration is quite unpopular with the general public, divisive even inside the center-right Conservative party.

This doesn’t mean the movement will accomplish nothing. It has already contributed to a revolt against the Conservative party’s leader and is serving as an important organizing node for far-rightists. The border crossing blockage is putting more stress on the US-Canada supply chain, costing (by one estimation) $300 million a day in economic damage. Internationally, the freedom convoy has inspired copycat efforts in both the United States and France.

But it’s important to understand the broader context in Canada. News coverage of the convoy, especially from sympathetic anchors on Fox News, may lead Americans to believe that Canada is in the midst of a far-right popular uprising. In reality, the mainstream consensus in Canada about Covid-19, and the nation’s institutions in general, is holding. The so-called trucker movement is on the fringe, including among Canadian truckers — some 90 percent of whom are vaccinated.

They are angry because they have lost........

The polling firm Innovative Research Group has conducted three separate rounds of polling since the beginning of the convoy, and found that public opposition has risen as the protest has gone on. In their most recent survey, conducted February 4-9, a scant 29 percent of Canadians expressed support for “the idea of the protest” while 53 percent disapproved.

A separate survey by Léger, released on February 8, found that 62 percent of Canadians oppose “the message that the trucker convoy protests are conveying of no vaccine mandates and less public health measures.” Sixty-five percent of respondents agreed that the demonstrators represented a “small minority of Canadians who are thinking only about themselves.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... est-ottawa

Now why would JT meet with this fringe minority group of thugs and give them a voice? That's insane and would encourage them to carry out other illegal civil disruptions.

[The Green Barbarian]

I'm legit baffled by people still asking why JT wouldn't meet with the protesters.

I'm not legit baffled. He's a coward. And an idiot.

[liisgo]

Mostly because in the past JT himself stated it was the correct way of dealing with blockade's and illegal closures of networks that were needed for the survival of all canadian people.
What's the difference when all of a sudden your being called upon and expected to behave in the same why you stated before.
Feel the defence is because of threats. Should polish up on the threats that came out of this past protest and blockade. The damage to economy, the illegal actions taken against others. And lets not forget all the members protesting that had criminal charges against them,,,,,Zero,,,,none.


"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday the CN and Via rail stoppages have made life "really difficult" for Canadians, but the best way to resolve ongoing Indigenous blockades is "constructive dialogue" with First Nations protesters.

"We are a country that recognizes the right to protest, but we are also a country of the rule of law and we will ensure everything is done to resolve this through dialogue and constructive outcomes," Trudeau said."

[foenix]

Mostly because in the past JT himself stated it was the correct way of dealing with blockade's and illegal closures of networks that were needed for the survival of all canadian people.
What's the difference when all of a sudden your being called upon and expected to behave in the same why you stated before.
Feel the defence is because of threats. Should polish up on the threats that came out of this past protest and blockade. The damage to economy, the illegal actions taken against others. And lets not forget all the members protesting that had criminal charges against them,,,,,Zero,,,,none.


"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday the CN and Via rail stoppages have made life "really difficult" for Canadians, but the best way to resolve ongoing Indigenous blockades is "constructive dialogue" with First Nations protesters.

"We are a country that recognizes the right to protest, but we are also a country of the rule of law and we will ensure everything is done to resolve this through dialogue and constructive outcomes," Trudeau said."

Wrong again......

4 Alberta border protesters charged with conspiring to murder RCMP officers

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.6352482

Thirteen people were charged following incidents involving physical threats to RCMP officers' safety and raids on trailers near the protest area, which resulted in the seizure of a cache of weapons and body armour.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.6354587

[The Green Barbarian]

Mostly because in the past JT himself stated it was the correct way of dealing with blockade's and illegal closures of networks that were needed for the survival of all canadian people.
What's the difference when all of a sudden your being called upon and expected to behave in the same why you stated before.
Feel the defence is because of threats. Should polish up on the threats that came out of this past protest and blockade. The damage to economy, the illegal actions taken against others. And lets not forget all the members protesting that had criminal charges against them,,,,,Zero,,,,none.


"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday the CN and Via rail stoppages have made life "really difficult" for Canadians, but the best way to resolve ongoing Indigenous blockades is "constructive dialogue" with First Nations protesters.

"We are a country that recognizes the right to protest, but we are also a country of the rule of law and we will ensure everything is done to resolve this through dialogue and constructive outcomes," Trudeau said."

Excellent post and you are exactly right. These were not dangerous people in Ottawa. They had their families with them. Justin is just such a massive coward, and a total loser, not fit to govern this country.

[liisgo]

Mostly because in the past JT himself stated it was the correct way of dealing with blockade's and illegal closures of networks that were needed for the survival of all canadian people.
What's the difference when all of a sudden your being called upon and expected to behave in the same why you stated before.
Feel the defence is because of threats. Should polish up on the threats that came out of this past protest and blockade. The damage to economy, the illegal actions taken against others. And lets not forget all the members protesting that had criminal charges against them,,,,,Zero,,,,none.


"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday the CN and Via rail stoppages have made life "really difficult" for Canadians, but the best way to resolve ongoing Indigenous blockades is "constructive dialogue" with First Nations protesters.

"We are a country that recognizes the right to protest, but we are also a country of the rule of law and we will ensure everything is done to resolve this through dialogue and constructive outcomes," Trudeau said."

Wrong again......

4 Alberta border protesters charged with conspiring to murder RCMP officers

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.6352482

Thirteen people were charged following incidents involving physical threats to RCMP officers' safety and raids on trailers near the protest area, which resulted in the seizure of a cache of weapons and body armour.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.6354587

Wrong again,, please provide in your quote the comment regarding 4 protesters charged from my post's that you see. Please try to support return post's with integrity. It's important that people do not aggerate, mis lead information here. The federal government has already been caught under the investigation with numerous aggregation's, mis leading info. false info. We do not need anyone else doing it.